Originally Posted by JasonWatkins:
“I feel you're deliberately missing the point here.”
Erm, no I'm not, mate. You gave a rubbish example to justify someone's poor excuse for not singing and I said otherwise
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“It was merely to counter your assertion that being unable to sing live while performing a demanding dance routine was an "excuse".”
It
is an excuse not to sing live though, and everyone else on here have also said the same thing.
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“Of course that's right - look at the first video I posted of Dannii Minogue's performance on TOTP in 1991. But, as I said, it's about the whole performance rather than just showing off the fact you can sing live.”
Like anyone even cares about Dannii, she's not exactly a person people look to when one is mentioning 'talented artists'. She's not singing live because either she can't or because Top Of the Pops always made people mime anyway. If Kelly Rowland for example can belt it out live continuously over dance tracks then so can anyone else. Dancing and 'the whole performance' is just a bad excuse otherwise. Say that to Pop artists like Beyonce and Gaga who seem capable of dancing and singing at the same time
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“If they had released a ballad as a single, i'm sure she may well have just sat on a chair and sung the song but they didn't - they released an uptempo dance number.”
Yeah, they didn't release a ballad because it would expose the fact she can't sing when it comes to live performances. Instead it's an uptempo dance tune that they can throw all the studio tricks they can onto her vocals and create a dance routine as an excuse for her not to sing the song live
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“You're confusing "energetic" with "physically demanding dance routine". Billie Joe Armstrong is energetic and runs around the stage like a madman at most GreenDay concerts, but he still stands still to sing.”
Therefore if Billie Joe Armstrong is able run around 'like a madman' and still sing live then every other pop tart can work out a way to dance and then sing as well. The point I was making is if a dance is therefore 'physically demanding'/energetic (dress it up however you like) and that the person is 'unable' to then sing live then just don't do the 'physically demanding dance routine' in the first place or tone it down. Why call someone a brain surgeon if they're actually a toilet attendant? The same goes for calling someone a singer when they're dancing and doing everything else but the title of their profession
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“You also have to take into account other factors when setting up for a live performance. Rehersals, sound checks e.t.c..
A lot of the time there simply isn't the time available to get set up for one. Look at some of the P.A's on breakfast television - do you really think they'd have the time to set up for a live vocal?. Especially if the artist in question has a day's worth of promotion already booked?.
Probably not, so it's more time-efficient to turn up, mime the song and get going.
I understand this may not fit in with your perfect world of what a pop artist should or shouldn't do, but that, clearly in my opinion, is how the industry works nowadays.”
If it's a quick PA breakfast show thing then you'd expect that but otherwise you're just making long excuses for someone's lack of talent. At the end of the day I couldn't care if some Pop tarts decide to mime. They've done it for years and they'll keep doing it for many more. I just think it's absolutely ridiculous though that a person could honestly say that someone who needs to mime and have 'demanding dance routines' as part of their 'whole performance' is therefore talented when they're clearly not, and in the case of Tweedy when it comes to something like a Live Lounge performance you finally hear how bad her voice actually is. This forum has a tendency for people saying ridiculous things so I'm not too surprised if someone suggests people like Britney and Tweedy are 'talented' or that all live artists across the world are actually just miming
