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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 6)
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Si_Crewe
27-08-2011
Originally Posted by Shuttermaze:
“According to F1Grid on twitter, both Hamilton and Maldonado have been summoned by the stewards.”

That's normal. Whenever 2 cars collide both drivers get to talk to the stewards.

*EDIT*
Although I do hope, for Lewis' sake, that telemetry doesn't show him planting his right foot just before the collision.
roger_50
27-08-2011
News just in: A 5 place grid drop for Maldonado and a reprimand for Hamilton.
TheToonArmy
27-08-2011
5 place grid drop for maldonado, not enough in my opinion and a repremand for hamilton
Syqo
27-08-2011
Originally Posted by TheToonArmy:
“5 place grid drop for maldonado, not enough in my opinion and a repremand for hamilton ”

Maybe Hamilton got the reprimand for passing Maldonado at the last corner?

As for Maldonado's five place grid penalty - what an absolute farce.
Shuttermaze
27-08-2011
Originally Posted by Syqo:
“Maybe Hamilton got the reprimand for passing Maldonado at the last corner?

As for Maldonado's five place grid penalty - what an absolute farce. ”

Could be right about Hammys pass on that corner., it was tight, but he did have the racing line. so... But the penalty for Maldonado is just laughable. I hope we don't see shenanigans on track with him tomorrow!! The forum should be interesting after the race!
TheToonArmy
27-08-2011
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/94028

Im not surprised lewis got a repremand with mansell working as a steward, mansells got some beef with lewis. At least i get that impression with some interviews i have heard/read
TheToonArmy
27-08-2011
Originally Posted by Shuttermaze:
“Could be right about Hammys pass on that corner., it was tight, but he did have the racing line. so... But the penalty for Maldonado is just laughable. I hope we don't see shenanigans on track with him tomorrow!! The forum should be interesting after the race!”


Nothing to do with the last corner

Document 25 is about Maldonato

Document 26 is about Hamilton

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre...on_event.aspx#
Forza Ferrari
27-08-2011
Originally Posted by TheToonArmy:
“5 place grid drop for maldonado, not enough in my opinion and a repremand for hamilton ”

Hamilton repremand is for twice turning in to Maldonado.

Quote:
“The Venezuelan will drop five grid positions from 16th to 21st on the grid.

Hamilton gets off with a reprimand, but it’s important to recognise that in the stewards’ eyes he too is guilty of “a breach of the regulations” by causing an incident under article 16.1 – in this case the relevant definition from the menu of definitions in that Article must be “caused a collision”.

Close inspection of the replays show that as Maldonado drives past him after their contact in the final corner of their Q2 laps, Hamilton moved to the right on two occasions, but on the second occasion Maldonado drove into him. It is for this deliberate action that Maldonado has been punished.

One rival team boss said that Hamilton was equally at fault in the incident and his body language afterwards indicated that he felt he might be in for a penalty. He even talked about the possible scenario that he could be starting the race near his team mate, Jenson Button, who is 13th on the grid.”

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/0...with-hamilton/

What I don't understand is that Lewis is just a much to blame yet escapes penalty. Perhaps the Stewards are scared to give Hamilton a penalty in case there is repeat suggestion that their actions are racially motivated.
TheToonArmy
27-08-2011
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“Hamilton repremand is for twice turning in to Maldonado.



http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/0...with-hamilton/

What I don't understand is that Lewis is just a much to blame yet escapes penalty. Perhaps the Stewards are scared to give Hamilton a penalty in case there is repeat suggestion that their actions are racially motivated.”


And here we go again...same old nonsense again and again

It was a joke, a very bad one but a joke.

The thing is he must not be equally to blame as he would have got a punishment equally the same.

I only hope he keeps his head tomorrow.
Syqo
27-08-2011
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“Hamilton repremand is for twice turning in to Maldonado.



http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/0...with-hamilton/

What I don't understand is that Lewis is just a much to blame yet escapes penalty. Perhaps the Stewards are scared to give Hamilton a penalty in case there is repeat suggestion that their actions are racially motivated.”

Here's an onboard from Hamilton's car. Maldonado does not look too good here.... It's a shame it doesn't show the onboard throughout the whole incident. Hamilton swerved to the right whilst Maldonado was behind him but the second time he moved to the right (just before the incident) the track was curving to the right! There was more than enough room for two cars to get through without colliding but Maldonado couldn't manage it.

Somebody posted a few photos of the incident on Twitter. In the last image, Hamilton is much closer to the white line than in the second last image which is a clear indication that Maldonado deliberately swerved towards Hamilton and that Hamilton had taken action to avoid contact. I don't know if Maldonado deliberately intended to hit Hamilton but his actions were inexcusable and anything less than a race ban is lenient. Really don't see how they should both get the same penalty for this.

Your assumption that the lack of a more serious penalty may have been based on race is ridiculous.
North Downs
27-08-2011
Originally Posted by manforktorch:
“It was really odd bringing Button in. On a track that is getting faster with every lap I don't understand why you wouldn't stay out till the last second.”

You sometimes have to wonder about Mclaren and Jenson. They seem to far too often scupper his chances with their naff strategy. When he wins or gets good places it seems to be completely down to him, without their help or hindrance.
Forza Ferrari
27-08-2011
Originally Posted by TheToonArmy:
“And here we go again...”

Well I think that is the problem once you have cried wolf once.

I don't get Hamilton he plays bumper cars at the final corner then he is at it again after the lap. What is with this guy that he can't even get through qualifying without hitting other cars?
Si_Crewe
27-08-2011
Originally Posted by North Downs:
“You sometimes have to wonder about Mclaren and Jenson. They seem to far too often scupper his chances with their naff strategy. When he wins or gets good places it seems to be completely down to him, without their help or hindrance.”

In the interview Button said it was a "lack of communication".

He'd done his fast laps and slowed down for his in-lap.
I suppose, from his POV, he thinks the team should have told him that he wasn't safe and to carry on with another flying lap.

Thing is, the team might have known his tyres were gone or that he'd already blown the lap by backing off after he crossed the line or simply figured that he was safe.

I keep saying the same thing though; McLaren are NOT good at using initiative or responding to unforseen situations.
I dunno how they can still be making the same sort of mistakes now that they were making back when Senna was a driver cos the team must comprise all different people but it's as if everybody has their ability to make it up as they go along removed when they join McLaren.
Si_Crewe
27-08-2011
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“I don't get Hamilton he plays bumper cars at the final corner then he is at it again after the lap. What is with this guy that he can't even get through qualifying without hitting other cars?”

"Obvious troll is obvious", as they say.
Syqo
27-08-2011
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“In the interview Button said it was a "lack of communication".

He'd done his fast laps and slowed down for his in-lap.
I suppose, from his POV, he thinks the team should have told him that he wasn't safe and to carry on with another flying lap.

Thing is, the team might have known his tyres were gone or that he'd already blown the lap by backing off after he crossed the line or simply figured that he was safe.

I keep saying the same thing though; McLaren are NOT good at using initiative or responding to unforseen situations.
I dunno how they can still be making the same sort of mistakes now that they were making back when Senna was a driver cos the team must comprise all different people but it's as if everybody has their ability to make it up as they go along removed when they join McLaren.”

Yeah I agree. Whilst Button shouldn't have backed off until he was sure that he could get another lap in, I think McLaren are more to blame as they should have told him that he would need to do another lap BEFORE he finished his lap.

I sometimes wonder if McLaren rely too much on artificial intelligence (their sophisticated computers) rather than human intelligence. There's barely been a weekend this year when at least one of the drivers haven't had a bad/incorrect strategy....
TheToonArmy
27-08-2011
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“Well I think that is the problem once you have cried wolf once.

I don't get Hamilton he plays bumper cars at the final corner then he is at it again after the lap. What is with this guy that he can't even get through qualifying without hitting other cars?”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
Forza Ferrari
27-08-2011
Originally Posted by Si_Crewe:
“In the interview Button said it was a "lack of communication".”

Button looked like he was going to cry in that interview. Very emotional from him.

Do a slow lap and cool your tyres on the last lap of qualifying when you are P13 in Q2.

This is a very unmclaren mistake to make.

A lot more going on than meets the mclaren press release here I am sure.
Forza Ferrari
27-08-2011
Originally Posted by TheToonArmy:
“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0”

A video insult off of you tube well done that clearly proves that I'm the troll and you are not.

It's also a great explanation of why Hamilton can't get through an F1 qualifying season without resembling a touring car driver in a season decider.
TheToonArmy
27-08-2011
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“A video insult off of you tube well done that clearly proves that I'm the troll and you are not.

It's also a great explanation of why Hamilton can't get through an F1 qualifying season without resembling a touring car driver in a season decider.”

Never said you were a troll, get you facts right
TheToonArmy
27-08-2011
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“A video insult off of you tube well done that clearly proves that I'm the troll and you are not.

It's also a great explanation of why Hamilton can't get through an F1 qualifying season without resembling a touring car driver in a season decider.”

How can you even write that and have Ferrari in your name when a certain Ferrari driver had a history for settling championships by taking people out.

pot kettle black comes to mind
cmoore01
28-08-2011
Originally Posted by Alt-F4:
“First two corners should be very interesting

can anyone tell me why schumacher is MSC and not SCH?”

In case his brother decides to have another go, who will be RSC presumably.
Si_Crewe
28-08-2011
Originally Posted by cmoore01:
“In case his brother decides to have another go, who will be RSC presumably.”

Yep.

I guess it's a tradition for him. He was "MSC" for years cos his brother was RSC" so it just stuck with him after Ralf quit.
Caramel Crunch
28-08-2011
What is Ralf doing now?
dsweetenham
28-08-2011
Originally Posted by Caramel Crunch:
“What is Ralf doing now?”

Being average in DTM (with DC)
Assa2
28-08-2011
I'll wait for the race result but it certainly seems RB have found a bit of extra pace over the last month. I won't say I'm surprised.
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