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Official Formula 1 Thread (Part 6)
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Forza Ferrari
28-08-2011
Originally Posted by TheToonArmy:
“How can you even write that and have Ferrari in your name when a certain Ferrari driver had a history for settling championships by taking people out.

pot kettle black comes to mind”

Damion Hill was never a Ferrari a driver and can we please stick to current topic instead of going off on a tangent. I am fascinated to see if this is a new discipline within the sport being pioneered by Hamilton where if a car is in the way of your hot lap you just crash them off the road.

Are we going to see collisions in every qualifying season or is this just Hamilton’s usual level of disrespect for other competitors coming to the surface again.

I must say hats off to Maldonado Lewis crashes him so he just crashes him back at the next corner. About time Lewis gets some of his own back from the drivers. The FIA never take action against Lewis and so it is coming down to peer discipline.

Can’t wait to see some other drivers settle some old scores with him.
Errodiel
28-08-2011
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“Damion Hill was never a Ferrari a driver and can we please stick to current topic instead of going off on a tangent. I am fascinated to see if this is a new discipline within the sport being pioneered by Hamilton where if a car is in the way of your hot lap you just crash them off the road.

Are we going to see collisions in every qualifying season or is this just Hamilton’s usual level of disrespect for other competitors coming to the surface again.

I must say hats off to Maldonado Lewis crashes him so he just crashes him back at the next corner. About time Lewis gets some of his own back from the drivers. The FIA never take action against Lewis and so it is coming down to peer discipline.

Can’t wait to see some other drivers settle some old scores with him.”

He was talking about Michael Schumacher, and you know it.

And you condone tit for tat incidents in racing? Well done, that makes you utterly mindless. Next time we see a driver/steward/spectator injured because of someone's idiotic, testosterone-fuelled need for 'revenge', I'm sure you'll relish it.

This thread used to be (and occasionally still is) a great place to come for a chat about racing. The idiotic, immature fanboy-ism has totally wrecked it.
maninthequeue
28-08-2011
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“Damion Hill was never a Ferrari a driver and can we please stick to current topic instead of going off on a tangent. I am fascinated to see if this is a new discipline within the sport being pioneered by Hamilton where if a car is in the way of your hot lap you just crash them off the road.

Are we going to see collisions in every qualifying season or is this just Hamilton’s usual level of disrespect for other competitors coming to the surface again.

I must say hats off to Maldonado Lewis crashes him so he just crashes him back at the next corner. About time Lewis gets some of his own back from the drivers. The FIA never take action against Lewis and so it is coming down to peer discipline.

Can’t wait to see some other drivers settle some old scores with him.”

It is pretty damn obvious he was talking about the former FERRARI driver Michael Schumacher.

As for you supporting mindless retaliation in a motor vehicle leading to damage to a car, and putting at risk the lives of a driver, and more relevantly the crowd...... bravo, you've just proven yourself to be a mindless idiot.

As for my personal view of Lewis Hamilton .... which team he drives for, and what skin colour he is completely irrelevant. But I love the fact he seems to be the only driver in F1 right now prepared to drive in a Senna-esque "shit or bust" fashion that was so prevalent in the halycon days of the sport during the mid 1980s to early 1990s.

Call me old fashioned but I like to see motor racing drivers race, rather than watch a procession where cars only change position during pit stops.
Forza Ferrari
28-08-2011
Oh sorry I forget for every bad thing that Lewis does there is an equal yet opposite act by Michael Schumacher or Ferrari which cancels this out. I think it some kind of extension of Newton’s 2nd law but they never taught me it in physics class.

What I've found funny about this recent Lewis scandal is that Courtyard and Trundle went crazy saying Maldonado should be sent home. Yet when you look at the british tabloids today reaction is rather mixed. Many leading with headlines saying Lewis escapes penalty after crashing etc. Surprising Lewis announces live on TV he was deliberately rammed and back home in blighty they forget the moral outrage. Something is lacking.

I think most people are starting to get bored of Lewis's crash or pass tactics. Really just those who want a british to win at all costs that defend his worst antics these days.
maninthequeue
28-08-2011
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“Oh sorry I forget for every bad thing that Lewis does there is an equal yet opposite act by Michael Schumacher or Ferrari which cancels this out. I think it some kind of extension of Newton’s 2nd law but they never taught me it in physics class.

What I've found funny about this recent Lewis scandal is that Courtyard and Trundle went crazy saying Maldonado should be sent home. Yet when you look at the british tabloids today reaction is rather mixed. Many leading with headlines saying Lewis escapes penalty after crashing etc. Surprising Lewis announces live on TV he was deliberately rammed and back home in blighty they forget the moral outrage. Something is lacking.

I think most people are starting to get bored of Lewis's crash or pass tactics. Really just those who want a british to win at all costs that defend his worst antics these days.”

You really haven't got the faintest clue how the British media works do you?

The Daily Mail dislikes Lewis Hamilton for the same reason it dislikes other British sport personalities Rio Ferdinand; David Haye; Christine Ohuruogu; etc.

Whilst the British media is largely run by the PR control of Max Clifford. His nemesis is Simon Fuller's Nineteen PR management, which is why you frequently see negative stories regarding Nineteen's clientèle which includes in the world of sport David Beckham; Andy Murray & Lewis Hamilton.
Blemished
28-08-2011
Well if the weather stays cool like it was this morning then it's looking good for the McLaren boys and no doubt Red Bull. Ferrari will be hoping for more sunshine though. Would love to see Massa on the podium today and it's probably his best shot yet.
Syqo
28-08-2011
Interesting tweet from Andrew Benson:

andrewbensonf1 Andrew Benson
Red Bull had asked for fresh tyres because both cars blistered fronts. They're not going to get them. Bad news for Vett and Web #BBCF1
12 minutes ago
Arcana
28-08-2011
Nico's on fire.
manforktorch
28-08-2011
The McLaren seems so slow !
Arcana
28-08-2011
Hamilton back on the pace it seems.
Si_Crewe
28-08-2011
Is this Hamilton looking after his tyres?

How come the Ferraris were nothing special in quali' but seem to be absolutely flying in the race?
Blackadder V
28-08-2011
Balls of steel Webber
Blemished
28-08-2011
Some fantastic racing already!
manforktorch
28-08-2011
damn! Wonder how people will find a way to blame lewis for that.
indiana44
28-08-2011
Of course, David Coulthard, Kobayashi was turning, err because there was a corner. Lewis just HAD NOT got the pass done enough to be putting his car where he was in what may have been the racing line.

Just looked a misjudgement from Lewis I'm afraid.
Si_Crewe
28-08-2011
Originally Posted by manforktorch:
“damn! Wonder how people will find a way to blame lewis for that.”

I suppose Kobayashi thought Hamilton's car was just a hologram and he'd be able to drive straight through it.

Amazing overtakes by Webber and Alonso.

Very strange race. RBRs and Ferrari's flying but both seem hard on tyres.
AssistedAction
28-08-2011
Originally Posted by manforktorch:
“damn! Wonder how people will find a way to blame lewis for that.”

Some people will find a way of blaming him for incidents not even involving him.

Kobayashi deserves a ban for that move but I bet they won't touch him.

Originally Posted by indiana44:
“Of course, David Coulthard, Kobayashi was turning, err because there was a corner. Lewis just HAD NOT got the pass done enough to be putting his car where he was in what may have been the racing line.

Just looked a misjudgement from Lewis I'm afraid.”

Do you drive? If so, when you turn a corner, do you move into an occupied lane?

Misjudgement from Lewis? I don't know what that makes Kobayashi's move then? A total loss of marbles???
indiana44
28-08-2011
What move, he just kept on driving ? . Lewis was doing the overtaking and shouldn't have just swung back across like that.
Errodiel
28-08-2011
Originally Posted by indiana44:
“Of course, David Coulthard, Kobayashi was turning, err because there was a corner. Lewis just HAD NOT got the pass done enough to be putting his car where he was in what may have been the racing line.

Just looked a misjudgement from Lewis I'm afraid.”

What? LEWIS hadn't got the pass done enough? Hamilton had passed Kobayashi cleanly. Kobayashi then picked up a tow and tried to re-pass, but misjudged his turning point and caused the crash. How on earth anyone could think Hamilton was even remotely at fault for that, I don't know.

And I'm one of the first to speak up when he makes an arse of things - I think his performance at Monaco this year was shocking.
AssistedAction
28-08-2011
Originally Posted by indiana44:
“What move, he just kept on driving ? . Lewis was doing the overtaking and shouldn't have swung back across.”

You said it. He tried to keep on driving through a car that was clearly there. If that is acceptable standard of driving for a F1 driver, God help the others. Lucky that cars these days are built as they are. Not long ago, Kobayashi's move could have resulted in his death and that of another driver. Shocking and if they let him get away with it, it's disgraceful.

Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“Damion Hill was never a Ferrari a driver and can we please stick to current topic instead of going off on a tangent. I am fascinated to see if this is a new discipline within the sport being pioneered by Hamilton where if a car is in the way of your hot lap you just crash them off the road.

Are we going to see collisions in every qualifying season or is this just Hamilton’s usual level of disrespect for other competitors coming to the surface again.

I must say hats off to Maldonado Lewis crashes him so he just crashes him back at the next corner. About time Lewis gets some of his own back from the drivers. The FIA never take action against Lewis and so it is coming down to peer discipline.

Can’t wait to see some other drivers settle some old scores with him.”

Aaah, bless you and your lame attempts at humour. Particularly when you even get the spelling of the driver's name wrong.

Anyone who supports Schumacher's driving style should hang their head in shame.

There's another prat who could have killed a driver with his move on Hill when he knew what he had to do to win the Championship that year was prevent Hill from finishing the race and that is what he set out to do.
indiana44
28-08-2011
Originally Posted by AssistedAction:
“Do you drive? If so, when you turn a corner, do you move into an occupied lane?

Misjudgement from Lewis? I don't know what that makes Kobayashi's move? A total loss of marbles???”

Yes, I drive thanks. Was Kobayashi actually meant to drive off the track instead of start turning when Lewis came from his right across him ?
indiana44
28-08-2011
Originally Posted by AssistedAction:
“You said it. He tried to keep on driving through a car that was clearly there. If that is acceptable standard of driving for a F1 driver, God help the others. Lucky that cars these days are built as they are. Not long ago, Kobayashi's move could have resulted in his death and that of another driver. Shocking and if they let him get away with it, it's disgraceful.”

I;d be very surprised on anything I saw if Kobayashi gets penalised at all. neither should Lewis. Racing incident.
Errodiel
28-08-2011
This thread is on the point of getting me a forum ban. Some posters are so biased that it's at the point of delusion - they so badly want such-and-such a driver to be at fault/blameless that they are quite literally making stuff up....and they actually believe it too!

It's a sport! Your favourite driver will often do stupid things! Your most hated driver will often be completely blameless! If you can't accept that, then you are quite possibly stuck with the mental age of an 8 year old, and I really pity the people that have to deal with you in real life.
Si_Crewe
28-08-2011
I suspect it will be written off as a racing incident.

Still an utterly retarded thing for Kobayashi to do.
He was never going to get around the outside of Hamilton.
A driver with some brains would have braked early, took more speed through the chicane and then tried to get alongside on the way out.

*EDIT*
Yep, no investigation. Racing incident.
welwynrose
28-08-2011
No investigation into Hamilton accident so "racing incident"
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