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Surely it's harder to Mime.
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Jeromeboi22
08-11-2010
Originally Posted by Lewnaticc:
“Some artists never mime, and I really respect them for that. Ke$ha, Miley Cyrus, or Pixie never mime (I think I recall Pixie doing it once and gave an interview afterwards, in which it was clear that she wasn't well).”

Ah yes, that was when she mimed Turn It Up on what was then GMTV.

I was so angry when she did that until she gave that interview and really showed that she could hardly speak let alone sing

The next day she performed live on Loose Women and she was obviously still a bit ill but kudos to her for that, and she wasn't all that bad with her vocals.
SpaceToilets
08-11-2010
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SpaceToilets
08-11-2010
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“sorry but that doesnt make sense..... ok, to employ it as a technique to enable an artist to sing better/any song, but then why mime when you can perform the real thing?... to enable dance routines? i always associate intricate dance routines as a cover/distraction from the weakness of the material.

nope, if you can sing, why mime.”

Because anyone can learn to sing with training and a karaoke box and only a chosen few can perfect the art of miming convincingly. When you master the sheer power of miming one can then hold the capability to sing any song faultless and to sing with any voice they choose. The ability to dance and sing simultaneously becomes theirs to use at their own free will and they will become invincible and take over the world, one hit single at a time. It is a delicate art and I repeat, it is one that most people are unable to fully comprehend
mushymanrob
09-11-2010
Originally Posted by SpaceToilets:
“Because anyone can learn to sing with training and a karaoke box and only a chosen few can perfect the art of miming convincingly. When you master the sheer power of miming one can then hold the capability to sing any song faultless and to sing with any voice they choose. The ability to dance and sing simultaneously becomes theirs to use at their own free will and they will become invincible and take over the world, one hit single at a time. It is a delicate art and I repeat, it is one that most people are unable to fully comprehend”

sorry, im not sold on your explaination. miming is the art of cheating, copping out of performing. it feeds the irrational belief that anything less (performancewise) then perfect will not be countenanced by fans who in turn idolitise their idol even more. singers are human, they aint all perfect, any 'fan' that cannot stomach a less then perfect performance is no real fan.

an artitist who makes a living by singing, should sing, as has been said that is the only way to convey the emotion of a track. miming over a pre-recorded track is a cop out... anyway, the great singers of the past never mimed! why should it be accepted now?
SpaceToilets
09-11-2010
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“sorry, im not sold on your explaination. miming is the art of cheating, copping out of performing. it feeds the irrational belief that anything less (performancewise) then perfect will not be countenanced by fans who in turn idolitise their idol even more. singers are human, they aint all perfect, any 'fan' that cannot stomach a less then perfect performance is no real fan.

an artitist who makes a living by singing, should sing, as has been said that is the only way to convey the emotion of a track. miming over a pre-recorded track is a cop out... anyway, the great singers of the past never mimed! why should it be accepted now?”

See, the art of miming so misunderstood in the world today that most people feel like it is 'cheating' but yet it gives the person who spends many years practising and perfecting the dark art all the power in the world. When one has become an expert in the art of miming they are able to convey any emotion with absolute ease. It is a difficult concept to grasp, I know, but if you take the time to study the craft of miming you can then begin to realise what power one is able obtain from mastering it if one has the will, potential, patience and ready to put in the years upon years of hard training

(PS I hope you know I'm actually taking the piss and I think miming is an absolute cop out but don't spoil the fun I was having in this thread)
Gneiss
09-11-2010
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“a singer who cheats by miming... so whats the point of being a singer?...”

None at all, I consider them frauds...

Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“I could stand on stage and mime a britney/mariah/ whoever song... if they can do it, they should, otherswise pack up!”

Exactly....

Unfortunately people are so indoctrinated by the mediocrity that surrounds them that they no longer have the sense to vote with their feet.

IMO prancing around a bit is no substitute when people are paying to see a SINGER perform live... and for some of them it's an afront to refer to them as "singers" or god forbid "artists"
CAMERA OBSCURA
09-11-2010
If it part of a live concert then miming for me is not acceptable, if it is for one off TV appearances then depending on the show I've no problem with it, it isn't anything new in regards to TV.
Gneiss
09-11-2010
Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“anyway, the great singers of the past never mimed! why should it be accepted now?”

Because these days it's all about the easy buck... surely you don't expect them to actually earn it
Eraserhead
09-11-2010
I can't believe some people are trying to justify artists who can't sing live by trying to say miming is difficult. What nonsense.

If an artist is doing a live gig then they should sing live. If they're going to mime their songs then they might as well not even bother turning up.

But doing stuff really live would show that so many of these pop emperors have no clothes...
Gneiss
09-11-2010
Originally Posted by Eraserhead:
“If an artist is doing a live gig then they should sing live.”

They should be forced to publish how much of the concert is pre recorded cack, which tracks etc. etc. prior to tickets going on sale.

Or better still just banned from calling it live unless it is 100% live!
toanythingtaboo
09-11-2010
Miming may be a misunderstood art, but LIP-SYNCING isn't.

I'm sorry, but to try and defend it's merits and claim it's super difficult to master so we should respect singers for undertaking the burden...is quite frankly, ridiculous.

If I wanted to see a great piece of lipsyncing, I'd catch a drag queen show. At least the songs would be better.
SpaceToilets
09-11-2010
Originally Posted by SpaceToilets:
“(PS I hope you know I'm actually taking the piss and I think miming is an absolute cop out but don't spoil the fun I was having in this thread)”

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s....php?t=1383049
Iceman09
09-11-2010
The problem that I have with miming is that talentless hacks can get away with not being able to sing. That's the problem. For me a singer must be able to sing and not need studio engineering, that's like saying oh well she's shit at her job but it's OK for her to cheat because she has a nice face and a great chest.
mushymanrob
09-11-2010
Originally Posted by SpaceToilets:
“(PS I hope you know I'm actually taking the piss and I think miming is an absolute cop out but don't spoil the fun I was having in this thread)”



nope...you caught me there m8... hook line and sinker! DOH! lol.
neel
09-11-2010
Originally Posted by Iceman09:
“ that's like saying oh well she's shit at her job but it's OK for her to cheat because she has a nice face and a great chest.”

Wait, its not ok to say that??!!



I jest of course. For me, the issue is simple. A live performace is, just that, live. The excitement of going to see and band live, or watching a live performace on tv is in seeing something rawer and more energetic than the recorded studio version.

If you want to portray a flawless version with a massive dance routine, show the music video. Thats why music videos were invented. Simply dancing to a backing track is lazy and dishonest.

I'm always amused whenever a judge on the X-factor berates a contestant for just singing and not dancing or something similar, when the judges can't do the same thing. The world of pop music is a mad place.
Mr. Fahrenheit
09-11-2010
Originally Posted by neel:
“Wait, its not ok to say that??!!



I jest of course. For me, the issue is simple. A live performace is, just that, live. The excitement of going to see and band live, or watching a live performace on tv is in seeing something rawer and more energetic than the recorded studio version.

If you want to portray a flawless version with a massive dance routine, show the music video. Thats why music videos were invented. Simply dancing to a backing track is lazy and dishonest.

I'm always amused whenever a judge on the X-factor berates a contestant for just singing and not dancing or something similar, when the judges can't do the same thing. The world of pop music is a mad place.”

I sort of agree with what you're saying, but Britney, Michael, Madonna, Janet, GaGa, Christina, Justin and Kylie are the ones sitting on the massive piles of money.

I don't think they're all that bothered.
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