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Old 07-11-2010, 23:50
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why is the whole cheryl not voting think gaining so much talk and hate, wasn't it a no brainier she wasn't gonna vote? i would have been shocked if she did?? dannii would have done the same and so would louis. how could she choose they were both her acts and imo it would be quiet heartless and rude if she chose one over another??!

im more angry about simon saving katie!!
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Old 08-11-2010, 00:02
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People here love Danii whereas everybody else loves Cheryl, so it wouldn't be quite the same thing
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Old 08-11-2010, 00:06
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why is the whole cheryl not voting think gaining so much talk and hate, wasn't it a no brainier she wasn't gonna vote? i would have been shocked if she did?? dannii would have done the same and so would louis. how could she choose they were both her acts and imo it would be quiet heartless and rude if she chose one over another??!

im more angry about simon saving katie!!
It's not heartless! They're all fully aware that they may have to choose between two of their own acts. If they can't bring themselves to do it, then they should leave the panel!
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Old 08-11-2010, 00:08
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It's not heartless! They're all fully aware that they may have to choose between two of their own acts. If they can't bring themselves to do it, then they should leave the panel!
They're all fully aware that they will have to choose the last between two of their own acts, why they didn't show Cheryl the same courtesy is beyond me.
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Old 08-11-2010, 00:17
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We know for a fact Louis would vote, because he voted Bad Lashes out over Girlband.

Dannii has been in the same position once, but the 3 other judges all voted Daniel Evans out over Rachel Hylton. I don't think she would shirk her duties any more than Louis or Simon would.
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Old 08-11-2010, 00:19
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Had Cheryl been asked last she'd have put it to deadlock like the others would have done.
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Old 08-11-2010, 00:20
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EXACTLY. You can bet your ass there is no way Danni would have chosen between two of her boys. This HAS happened in the past you know, Cheryl isn't the first judge to refuse. Some people just blow your mind with their ignorance.
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Old 08-11-2010, 00:23
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Had Cheryl been asked last she'd have put it to deadlock like the others would have done.
She could have tonight, but after claiming that's what she would do, the critical part is that she didn't.

She could have interjected and demanded her vote count, but she didn't send it to deadlock - by not voting she sent Treyc home.
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Old 08-11-2010, 00:23
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We know for a fact Louis would vote, because he voted Bad Lashes out over Girlband.

Dannii has been in the same position once, but the 3 other judges all voted Daniel Evans out over Rachel Hylton. I don't think she would shirk her duties any more than Louis or Simon would.
Louis justification for voting off Bad Lashes was that he didn't want to vote off either of them and preferred to put it to the public vote. Exactly the same stance as Cheryl tonight.

About 2 minutes into the link below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaHKKr1rKXc
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Old 08-11-2010, 00:23
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Louis justification for voting off Bad Lashes was that he didn't want to vote off either of them and preferred to put it to the public vote. Exactly the same stance as Cheryl tonight.

About 2 minutes into the link below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaHKKr1rKXc
Not the same stance as Cheryl tonight, because her failure to vote ironically sent one of her acts home.
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Old 08-11-2010, 00:24
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why is the whole cheryl not voting think gaining so much talk and hate, wasn't it a no brainier she wasn't gonna vote? i would have been shocked if she did?? dannii would have done the same and so would louis. how could she choose they were both her acts and imo it would be quiet heartless and rude if she chose one over another??!
And it would have been unprofessional as well, because Cheryl would have to continue working with one of the two acts. If she voted to send one home but the other judges ended up choosing the other it would have been an impossibly awkward situation.
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Old 08-11-2010, 00:24
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Personally I'm not bothered about Danni or Cheryl, but fairs fair.
If a mentor has two of their acts in the bottom, they get to vote last, and either the decision is made for them, or they take it to deadlock so that it goes to the public vote.

Tonight, they changed the format, and Cheryl has had it in the neck on here ever since.
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Old 08-11-2010, 00:25
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She could have tonight, but after claiming that's what she would do, the critical part is that she didn't.

She could have interjected and demanded her vote count, but she didn't send it to deadlock - by not voting she sent Treyc home.
She wasn't given the chance though. She should have been asked last, and had any other mentor been in that position they'd refuse to chose unless they had to.
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Old 08-11-2010, 00:25
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wish they had let the other judges give their votes first and then let cheryl take it to deadlock as she wanted (and how they normaly do it) then it would be fair who went
this was so unfair to cheryl and her two acts and I echo others who say it stinks of manipulation
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Old 08-11-2010, 00:25
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She could have tonight, but after claiming that's what she would do, the critical part is that she didn't.

She could have interjected and demanded her vote count, but she didn't send it to deadlock - by not voting she sent Treyc home.
She could have interjected and demanded all she liked. Her vote would not have counted. They had confirmed the elimination of Treyc and moved on (very quickly).
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Old 08-11-2010, 00:27
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She could have interjected and demanded all she liked. Her vote would not have counted.
LOL Yeah, right. Of course it wouldn't have!

You really think they'd have denied her choice to take it to deadlock after having claiming that's what she wanted?
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Old 08-11-2010, 00:28
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I thought by choosing not to vote it went to deadlock. Obviously I am wrong is it just when all four vote and then its a deadlock?
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Old 08-11-2010, 00:33
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LOL Yeah, right. Of course it wouldn't have!

You really think they'd have denied her choice to take it to deadlock after having claiming that's what she wanted?
Yes.

They simply didn't have time to pi*s around arguing about it. She agreed not to vote so there was no way she could argue against it.

They ran the music as soon as Louis sent home Treyc and went straight into her best bits. There was absolutely no way that Cheryl would be able to turn it around at that stage no matter how much she wanted to.
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Old 08-11-2010, 00:34
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LOL Yeah, right. Of course it wouldn't have!

You really think they'd have denied her choice to take it to deadlock after having claiming that's what she wanted?
Once Dermot said she had to vote and he couldn't come back they obviously couldn't go back. if she had said she couldn't decide and had then decided for Katie she would have had even more flack.

Whether its to keep it away from deadlock , or Cheryl not being willing to decide being asked that early or its in the detailed rules or its a panicking director with only 3 minutes left to get a conclusion making up rules - its not Cheryl's fault she was asked earlier than she should have been.
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Old 08-11-2010, 00:37
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The thing is the only reason her vote was forfeited was because she said she's not going to vote and having confirmed it after Dermot pushed it further. I don't know if she was flummoxed or what, but she could have worded what she said A LOT BETTER. Instead of refusing, she should have said (and I think that's what she was trying to achieve but it didn't work) "I'm not refusing to vote, but I'll vote after Dannii and Louis" and explained why. It's only when she realised her vote won't be counted did she say she'll vote after Dannii and Louis and take it to deadlock. I think she knew how the vote was going to go after Simon saved Katie knowing full well that Dannii would save TreyC due to her survival song and Louis would save Katie as he has been supporting her from the beginning.

(Can't believe I'm defending Tweedy )
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Old 08-11-2010, 00:41
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Yes.

They simply didn't have time to pi*s around arguing about it. She agreed not to vote so there was no way she could argue against it.

They ran the music as soon as Louis sent home Treyc and went straight into her best bits. There was absolutely no way that Cheryl would be able to turn it around at that stage no matter how much she wanted to.
Once Dermot said she had to vote and he couldn't come back they obviously couldn't go back. if she had said she couldn't decide and had then decided for Katie she would have had even more flack.

Whether its to keep it away from deadlock , or Cheryl not being willing to decide being asked that early or its in the detailed rules or its a panicking director with only 3 minutes left to get a conclusion making up rules - its not Cheryl's fault she was asked earlier than she should have been.
You're talking as if if they'd have to turn the wheels around on a juggernaut. They could have easily just said Cheryl's vote counts, so let's go to deadlock (which they would have left time for!) Louis dosses about and regularly gets pressed for his answer and ignores it.

There was nothing preventing her from voicing the fact she wanted her vote to stand, even if they ignored her, but the truth was she didn't want to. She continued the same charade when asked about it on Xtra Factor.
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Old 08-11-2010, 00:43
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Blame Simon, he set it up. Or the producers.
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Old 08-11-2010, 00:45
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why is the whole cheryl not voting think gaining so much talk and hate, wasn't it a no brainier she wasn't gonna vote? i would have been shocked if she did?? dannii would have done the same and so would louis. how could she choose they were both her acts and imo it would be quiet heartless and rude if she chose one over another??!

im more angry about simon saving katie!!
I am so glad to see somebody post that puts it all into perspective. Why people are blaming Cheryl I dont know? If its anybodys fault it is Simon and Louis, they are the two that kept Katie in and sent TreyC home. You are spot on. Good post!
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Old 08-11-2010, 00:48
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God! you people.$yco has the final decision who he wants to go & who he wants to stay right up to the final three contrstants.Biffa could have voted for TreyC to stay in but Louie & Danii could have then voted her out or it could have gone to a public vote if they knew TreyC had the lowest votes anyway.She could have voted for the Weasel, which ment she only needed one more vote from the other two.
It seems that Biffa wanted TreyC to go through so displayed her objection to $yco by declining to vote because whatever she did The Weasel was going to go through whatever she did.It was more of an act of defiance against $yco more than anything I believe - which is kind of interesting & sort of questions her long time future on the show if this is true.Louie has also displayed tantrums as well mind & has remained even though he did take short term (forced) leave but came back of course.
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Old 08-11-2010, 00:53
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You're talking as if if they'd have to turn the wheels around on a juggernaut.
No. But it is live TV running to an extremely tight schedule.

They could have easily just said Cheryl's vote counts, so let's go to deadlock (which they would have left time for!) Louis dosses about and regularly gets pressed for his answer and ignores it.

There was nothing preventing her from voicing the fact she wanted her vote to stand, even if they ignored her, but the truth was she didn't want to. She continued the same charade when asked about it on Xtra Factor.
So exactly how would this work?

Midway through Treyc's VT, with the show already running over, they'd cut away to Cheryl standing shouting "I want deadlock". Then they'd tell Treyc "OK, so you might still be staying after all, Katie you might not". Because that always looks so professional. Then Dermot would get his results and announce who is leaving - not necessarily the same person that was told they were leaving 2 minutes earlier. Then they play the best bits again? And how far over would the show be running?

Yeah, I'm sure the director would have gone for that.

There was absolutely no time between Louis saving Katie and Dermot confirming the result. At that point, there was no way back without the whole thing overrunning and looking like an extraordinary mess.

This all assumes that the judges even have the authority to decide who they vote for in the first place.
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