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Old 29-11-2015, 18:58
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Not sure how a retired fighter can be called a has been.

Any version of Lennox Lewis ko's fury or Vladimir.

I really don't want to see a rematch. I don't see how the fight would be any different as Vladimir is just to frightened to let his hands go. The usual plan of fighting wasn't an option last night and after 3 rounds he had to do something different but wouldn't or couldn't.

The guy suffers from muscle memory where the punch and hold is ingrained. I don't think he can fight another way. Vlad doesn't even throw bodyshots.

I think Fury would have tried to have justify it as fact that Lewis is retired but I think it was a very stupid "dig", and until Fury displays the kind of power/KO's and general style Lewis showed, then he is in no position to have digs at Lennox Lewis.

I think Fury and all those who got so exited about Fury winning need to realsie that he didn't exactly win with flying colours did he? He didn't Knock Wlad down, we didn't see enough power and not great boxing skills either, just awkwardness on the whole.
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Old 29-11-2015, 19:12
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I think Fury would have tried to have justify it as fact that Lewis is retired but I think it was a very stupid "dig", and until Fury displays the kind of power/KO's and general style Lewis showed, then he is in no position to have digs at Lennox Lewis.

I think Fury and all those who got so exited about Fury winning need to realsie that he didn't exactly win with flying colours did he? He didn't Knock Wlad down, we didn't see enough power and not great boxing skills either, just awkwardness on the whole.
He landed 14 more punches than Haye did and that was seen as an awful performance from Haye.

I give Fury credit as he did what he needed to do to win and his opponent Vlad never made fury have to do anything more. I also picked Vlad so got that wrong.

I think Vladimir's post fight comments were interesting. He said 'the right is supposed to land after the left but I couldn't find the range with the left hence why I didn't throw the right hand'.

Now this to me is simply too robotic. If the lead left wasn't working then his a corner has to do its upmost to get him to do something else. Vlad has no inside game other than clinching. Doesn't throw to the body, doesn't throw uppercut and that's why I see a rematch going the same way.

Vladimir isn't going to change now. He couldn't deal with fury who was simply more than a stationary target with lateral movement. It amazed me that after 6 rounds there was no sense of urgency from Vladimir. Just coasted to a loss.
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Old 29-11-2015, 19:26
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Mike Tyson in his prime would of probably knocked both out within a few rounds.
Yes, he would have!
Vitali would have taken Mike Tyson apart though!
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Old 29-11-2015, 19:28
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I am glad I did not pay to watch this "world title " fight , I have seen better at chuck out time at the local pub , congrats to Fury
There hasn't been a great Heavyweight title fight since Lennox beat Vitali.
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Old 29-11-2015, 20:20
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He landed 14 more punches than Haye did and that was seen as an awful performance from Haye.

I give Fury credit as he did what he needed to do to win and his opponent Vlad never made fury have to do anything more. I also picked Vlad so got that wrong.

I think Vladimir's post fight comments were interesting. He said 'the right is supposed to land after the left but I couldn't find the range with the left hence why I didn't throw the right hand'.

Now this to me is simply too robotic. If the lead left wasn't working then his a corner has to do its upmost to get him to do something else. Vlad has no inside game other than clinching. Doesn't throw to the body, doesn't throw uppercut and that's why I see a rematch going the same way.

Vladimir isn't going to change now. He couldn't deal with fury who was simply more than a stationary target with lateral movement. It amazed me that after 6 rounds there was no sense of urgency from Vladimir. Just coasted to a loss.
Considering Haye was a lot shorter than Wlad and Fury was taller than Wlad and had a longer reach, I don't think credence can be given to Fury on that basis at all.

Re what you wrote about Vitali and what Wlad said in return, its obvious he didn't jab and the jab would have been off the left hand and that was one big mistake he made.
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Old 29-11-2015, 20:22
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Yes, he would have!
Vitali would have taken Mike Tyson apart though!
Maybe Vitali would have been knocked down or out had he faced the 86 -88 Tyson? VK seemed to have a good chin but he never did seem to face a real class heavyweight until Lewis who because of age was past his natural best.
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Old 29-11-2015, 20:35
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Maybe Vitali would have been knocked down or out had he faced the 86 -88 Tyson? VK seemed to have a good chin but he never did seem to face a real class heavyweight until Lewis who because of age was past his natural best.
And still lost.
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Old 29-11-2015, 20:40
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Considering Haye was a lot shorter than Wlad and Fury was taller than Wlad and had a longer reach, I don't think credence can be given to Fury on that basis at all.

Re what you wrote about Vitali and what Wlad said in return, its obvious he didn't jab and the jab would have been off the left hand and that was one big mistake he made.
No they can't and that's why other than the win I don't think fury can say he took the title. Vlad gave it away.

The average amount of punches landed per round between the two was about 11.5. That's ridiculous.
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Old 29-11-2015, 20:43
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The fight was stopped because of VK cuts and then it went to the score cards based on the fight up until then. Had the fight continued, I think VK might have worn Lewis down and stopped him and I say that as someone who wanted Lewis to win.
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Old 29-11-2015, 20:47
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No they can't and that's why other than the win I don't think fury can say he took the title. Vlad gave it away.

The average amount of punches thrown per round between the two was about 11.5. That's ridiculous.
That's it. Had Fury KO or even knocked WK down a few times and then won, then he could say "I've taken his title" but he won on points and while I didn't score it myself, I think the judges gave too many rounds to Fury.

Steve Bunce and Richie Woodhall were getting way O T T on how well Fury done imo and Bunce especially was dismissing that WK's age couldn't be taken into consideration but I'm sorry, hardly any fighter, no matter how good they've been in the past will be as sharp and as good/slick as they were when a lot younger so Bunce was well wrong on that point. Just 3 years ago, WK still had it against Haye but it seemed to be largely gone last night and his advanced boxing age must have played a big part in that too.
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Old 29-11-2015, 20:52
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The fight was stopped because of VK cuts and then it went to the score cards based on the fight up until then. Had the fight continued, I think VK might have worn Lewis down and stopped him and I say that as someone who wanted Lewis to win.
It was from a punch, it was a TKO win for Lewis. It was lots of punches in fact, his face looked like a bolognese. Vitali was ahead by a couple of rounds I believe, although Lewis was coming on strong at the time of the stoppage. We'll never know I suppose. Being ahead on the scorecards at the time you get stopped still means you got stopped.
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Old 29-11-2015, 20:54
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The fight was stopped because of VK cuts and then it went to the score cards based on the fight up until then. Had the fight continued, I think VK might have worn Lewis down and stopped him and I say that as someone who wanted Lewis to win.
It didn't go to the scorecards. Lewis won by Tko as punches caused the cuts. Lewis to me won fair and square. He had a rough first three rounds but once he realised the Jab wasn't landing he went to the trenches, bit down on his shield and nailed vitali with bombs. Both me on were tired but vitali's face was a mess and at the time it was stopped Lewis looked the stronger fighter.

Vitali in a way blew it as if there was a night to beat Lennox that was it.

Just 3 years ago, WK still had it against Haye but it seemed to be largely gone last night and his advanced boxing age must have played a big part in that too.
Only thing which is still the same though so the over caution. You could argue Haye was there for the killing but Vlad never tried to get Haye out of there.
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Old 29-11-2015, 20:59
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It was from a punch, it was a TKO win for Lewis. It was lots of punches in fact, his face looked like a bolognese. Vitali was ahead by a couple of rounds I believe, although Lewis was coming on strong at the time of the stoppage. We'll never know I suppose. Being ahead on the scorecards at the time you get stopped still means you got stopped.
Wasn't there a clash of heads at some point and thats what caused the cut in the first place?

I don't remember it being a TKO, I thought it went on a technical decision based on the cuts and went to points up to that point didn't it? Either way Lewis retired after than and if we're all honest with ourselves, its probably because he knew that he would struggle to win a rematch.

I didn't blame Lewis for retiring and I was annoyed at VK for coming after Lewis right at the end of his career when he could have done it a few years earlier if he really wanted to fight Lewis. They weren't really of the same era either.

I remember Carl Froch called out Calzaghe right at the end of his career and I lost respect for him doing that then too.
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Old 29-11-2015, 21:03
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No, if it was from a clash of heads it would've gone to the cards. It was from a punch, and then made worse by lots of other punches on top of it. He never learned either because he was always open for it, it's just that after Lewis there was no one capable of reaching him.
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Old 29-11-2015, 21:03
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It didn't go to the scorecards. Lewis won by Tko as punches caused the cuts. Lewis to me won fair and square. He had a rough first three rounds but once he realised the Jab wasn't landing he went to the trenches, bit down on his shield and nailed vitali with bombs. Both me on were tired but vitali's face was a mess and at the time it was stopped Lewis looked the stronger fighter.

Vitali in a way blew it as if there was a night to beat Lennox that was it.



Only thing which is still the same though so the over caution. You could argue Haye was there for the killing but Vlad never tried to get Haye out of there
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I think Wlad was enjoying making Haye look so amateurisih in that fight, esp after all the unnecessary trash talking Haye did beforehand, Haye deserved to be shown up in the way he was. I still was rooting for Haye to win on that night but I didn't like his trash talking one bit.
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Old 29-11-2015, 21:25
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It didn't go to the scorecards. Lewis won by Tko as punches caused the cuts. Lewis to me won fair and square. He had a rough first three rounds but once he realised the Jab wasn't landing he went to the trenches, bit down on his shield and nailed vitali with bombs. Both me on were tired but vitali's face was a mess and at the time it was stopped Lewis looked the stronger fighter.
Great summary. That's the way I saw it too. IMO Lewis would have knocked him out round 8 or 9

Hat's off to Vitali though. He may have been open to a whack, but he had a Mount Rushmore chin that could take it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dExzikyUkhQ

Amazes me every time I see it.

Just for the record I used some of my winnings from last night to put £30 on Whyte to beat Joshua @ 8/1. I've only seen Whyte fight once and he was way too easy to hit but he seemed to have power and at least he's proved he can take a punch, unlike AJ so far. I want AJ to win because he looks like a good prospect and a humble guy but if there's money to be made, I'll take it
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Old 29-11-2015, 22:00
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Here's all round credit to boxing Wlad delivering a blatant headbutt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZIBYAHK1EA
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Old 29-11-2015, 22:01
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Great summary. That's the way I saw it too. IMO Lewis would have knocked him out round 8 or 9

Hat's off to Vitali though. He may have been open to a whack, but he had a Mount Rushmore chin that could take it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dExzikyUkhQ

Amazes me every time I see it.

Just for the record I used some of my winnings from last night to put £30 on Whyte to beat Joshua @ 8/1. I've only seen Whyte fight once and he was way too easy to hit but he seemed to have power and at least he's proved he can take a punch, unlike AJ so far. I want AJ to win because he looks like a good prospect and a humble guy but if there's money to be made, I'll take it
Well Whyte beat him in the amateurs didn't he and did he knock AJ down then too? I think AJ and his camp have been implying that Whyte was only able to do so with the help of PEDS but considering how many wrestlers have died over the years from what seems to me to be as a result of using PEDS too much, I wouldn't be surprised if most boxers have used them at some point and thats how they got so big in the first place. Not saying its right, but I've never managed to get big muscle wise even with gym sessions.
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Old 29-11-2015, 22:03
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Here's all round credit to boxing Wlad delivering a blatant headbutt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZIBYAHK1EA
Well Fury was using his head too to an extent so maybe Wlad got peeved off + decided to do it back to him or do it to him before Fury could do it? The ref should have seen it and if he did, thats not good that he didn't warn him at least if not take a point away.
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Old 29-11-2015, 22:19
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Great summary. That's the way I saw it too. IMO Lewis would have knocked him out round 8 or 9

Hat's off to Vitali though. He may have been open to a whack, but he had a Mount Rushmore chin that could take it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dExzikyUkhQ

Amazes me every time I see it.

Just for the record I used some of my winnings from last night to put £30 on Whyte to beat Joshua @ 8/1. I've only seen Whyte fight once and he was way too easy to hit but he seemed to have power and at least he's proved he can take a punch, unlike AJ so far. I want AJ to win because he looks like a good prospect and a humble guy but if there's money to be made, I'll take it
Lewis had a great uppercut. So many more weapons in his locker than Vlad
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Old 29-11-2015, 23:29
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Maybe Vitali would have been knocked down or out had he faced the 86 -88 Tyson? VK seemed to have a good chin but he never did seem to face a real class heavyweight until Lewis who because of age was past his natural best.
Vitali would have been far to big and strong and had a chin that would have coped fairly easily with the much smaller and lighter Tyson.
Once Tyson started to get hit in fights he became increasingly static and very easy to hit.
I see Vitali wearing him down and knocking him out pretty much the same way Lewis did.

Sadly, Tyson was only a good fighter when everything was going his way. He never fought his way out of trouble in a fight and simply lacked the heart and steel that a great fighter needs.
I was a huge fan early on and thought he'd go on to be a true alltime great, but he fell well short of that by the end if truth be told.
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Old 30-11-2015, 13:24
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Can Fury now just defend one of his titles or does he have to fight with all of them up for grabs?
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Old 30-11-2015, 19:19
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Fair play to Fury, he could only beat what was in front of him and unfortunately Wlad hadn't come to fight.

Overall it was a poor fight with very few punches thrown and landed.

I decided to compare this fight with some old footage of Lennox Lewis and had obviously forgotten just how fast and powerful a boxer he was.

The two outings against Holyfield and then against Mike Tyson are simply awe inspiring and show how true boxers should go about their craft.

I wont take anything away from Fury, he won fair and square but he simply isn't in the same league as many of the former HW champs.
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Old 30-11-2015, 21:01
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Here's all round credit to boxing Wlad delivering a blatant headbutt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZIBYAHK1EA
Not good but he's nowhere near as dirty as our very own DeGale who regularly leads with his head and shoots his shoulder bone in to opponents faces .. Just cheating in my book .


I also read somewhere that BOTH Klitchkow brothers have been linked with organised crime !!?
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Old 30-11-2015, 21:01
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Did you guys hear or see the Fury press conference today ??

Apparently Fury's dad has today challenged Lennox Lewis *!!
Fury senior used to box ( and bare-knuckle as well ) but never got really fit so he*reckons after a ten week training camp he will be more *than a match for*Lennox !!!!
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