Originally Posted by nainz:
“Hope Kev retires now, he was slurring his words in an interview I saw the other day.”
“Hope Kev retires now, he was slurring his words in an interview I saw the other day.”
Yes I saw and heard that as well...not good
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Managed to find the fight online. went a lot further than i thought it but yes whyte got AJ in round two but he took it well but so did whyte when he got caught apart from at the end obviously. no one gets up from that. AJ will have learnt so much from this fight and im sure we`ll see a much better fighter next time. it still shouldn`t have been on PPV though. sadly if the numbers are as good as hearn said then expect many more fights like this on it.
Didnt realise Luke Campbell was 28.
Not sure how much he can be changed. He looks like a fighter with no inside game at all and when you cant stop the forward march from an opponent due to lack of power it becomes very difficult.
Not sure how much he can be changed. He looks like a fighter with no inside game at all and when you cant stop the forward march from an opponent due to lack of power it becomes very difficult.
Originally Posted by nainz:
“Joshua - Bad footwork, to big/muscle bound, gassed after rd2, didn't like the bodyshots at all, no head movement. All the things you'd expect from a novice and he's headlining a PPV. Hopefully this will temper the hype. When Whyte slowed down he was able to dominate and looked good but he needs time/fights, rushing him into world level too soon and you're going to really ruin him.”
“Joshua - Bad footwork, to big/muscle bound, gassed after rd2, didn't like the bodyshots at all, no head movement. All the things you'd expect from a novice and he's headlining a PPV. Hopefully this will temper the hype. When Whyte slowed down he was able to dominate and looked good but he needs time/fights, rushing him into world level too soon and you're going to really ruin him.”
I think you've summed it up perfectly. There was almost no craft from him for most of the fight. Going for a power punch time after time with absolutely no set up.
If he fights like that like that against someone who can really hit, he is going to be in trouble. If Haye has come back anything close to his best, I think he'd give him real problems.
I'm hoping it's just the usual bluster from Hearn about the PPV numbers, but sadly it's probably not, and we'll end up more bang average cards like that on PPV.
Originally Posted by Aftershow:
“I think you've summed it up perfectly. There was almost no craft from him for most of the fight. Going for a power punch time after time with absolutely no set up.
If he fights like that like that against someone who can really hit, he is going to be in trouble. If Haye has come back anything close to his best, I think he'd give him real problems.
I'm hoping it's just the usual bluster from Hearn about the PPV numbers, but sadly it's probably not, and we'll end up more bang average cards like that on PPV.”
“I think you've summed it up perfectly. There was almost no craft from him for most of the fight. Going for a power punch time after time with absolutely no set up.
If he fights like that like that against someone who can really hit, he is going to be in trouble. If Haye has come back anything close to his best, I think he'd give him real problems.
I'm hoping it's just the usual bluster from Hearn about the PPV numbers, but sadly it's probably not, and we'll end up more bang average cards like that on PPV.”
AJ talking about the European belt next. Wasn't there talk of a world title shot next year. Maybe hearn has realised from seeing him in this fight that he's no where near ready. I still think he'll become world champion eventually but like he said don't rush into it. Whyte on the other hand is a bit like tyson not that he's in the same league because he's not but he fights same way. Yes he'd knocked all his opponents out but when they get a bit better can he still knock them out. He caught AJ and he took them well so maybe whyte isn't such a knock out specialist.
I think people can a bit easy on Joshua. Remember his only had 15 fights and its good that we saw the flaws he has.
Give me a Joshua throwing punches looking flawed over that joke of a world title fight we saw in Germany.
Give me a Joshua throwing punches looking flawed over that joke of a world title fight we saw in Germany.
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“I think people can a bit easy on Joshua. Remember his only had 15 fights and its good that we saw the flaws he has.
Give me a Joshua throwing punches looking flawed over that joke of a world title fight we saw in Germany.”
“I think people can a bit easy on Joshua. Remember his only had 15 fights and its good that we saw the flaws he has.
Give me a Joshua throwing punches looking flawed over that joke of a world title fight we saw in Germany.”
Spot on. It was an entertaining fight but Fury's bout made Joshua's look like the Thriller in Manilla. And isn't anyone going to give AJ credit for his powers of recovery? He looked almost out of it in round 2, but steadied the ship, upped his game and won. I think the emotion of the occassion got to him and yes, he does need to work on the movement of his head and feet. But it was a test and he came through it. Deontay Wilder spent far longer knocking over bums before his first big test than Joshua has. I hoped David Price would be the real deal but we all know how that went. Joshua is much, much more likely.
Oh I forgot to say, exactly what is boxing in general and Chris Eubank jr going to do with the king of numptyville that is Chris eubank Snr? I have massive respect for Snr as a boxer but his embarassing spotlight-hugging due to his son's rise is bodering on desperate now. That dad dancing at the Spike Sullivan weigh-in was just too much. Even, Steve Collins, and there's a man who's seen it all, looked like he wanted to get Snr a straightjacket.
On a boxing note, if only junior had the power his Dad had, he'd be really special....
On a boxing note, if only junior had the power his Dad had, he'd be really special....
Originally Posted by Makosi's pants:
“Oh I forgot to say, exactly what is boxing in general and Chris Eubank jr going to do with the king of numptyville that is Chris eubank Snr? I have massive respect for Snr as a boxer but his embarassing spotlight-hugging due to his son's rise is bodering on desperate now. That dad dancing at the Spike Sullivan weigh-in was just too much. Even, Steve Collins, and there's a man who's seen it all, looked like he wanted to get Snr a straightjacket.
On a boxing note, if only junior had the power his Dad had, he'd be really special....”
“Oh I forgot to say, exactly what is boxing in general and Chris Eubank jr going to do with the king of numptyville that is Chris eubank Snr? I have massive respect for Snr as a boxer but his embarassing spotlight-hugging due to his son's rise is bodering on desperate now. That dad dancing at the Spike Sullivan weigh-in was just too much. Even, Steve Collins, and there's a man who's seen it all, looked like he wanted to get Snr a straightjacket.
On a boxing note, if only junior had the power his Dad had, he'd be really special....”
Its perfect to have his dad there with him. They know this is an entertainment buisness and Eubank Jnr will have just as many fans who likes him as those that want to see him lose resulting in a fighter which will draw money.
His dad I suppose plays the 'heel' Manager from pro-wrestling.
I think the two fights in Fury/Klitschko and AJ/Whyte have thrown up a lot more questions than answers.
It is too hard to tell how powerful Fury is as even though he looked a lot bigger in his fight with Klitscko than he did in previous fights, he did not land shots that got Wlad into trouble and I cannot recall seeing any spectacular KO's done by Fury.
With AJ, he reminded me of Frank Bruno body wise and I got the impression his ability to take a punch well might be as fragile as Frank's was as well but with the power shots he did land, how well would Fury take such punches? Fury's knees did buckle in the 11th or 12th against Wlad etc.
Like I have thought for some time now that with AJ, they do need to give him more sterner tests without going for the Word Title. If they keep on giving him easy tune ups, then he just will not improve but going for tougher fighters will either help improve him or expose him if he's lacking. Even if he does suffer a loss or 2 in his way towards a title fight, it doesn't mean he can't come back and improve on any weaknesses.
It is too hard to tell how powerful Fury is as even though he looked a lot bigger in his fight with Klitscko than he did in previous fights, he did not land shots that got Wlad into trouble and I cannot recall seeing any spectacular KO's done by Fury.
With AJ, he reminded me of Frank Bruno body wise and I got the impression his ability to take a punch well might be as fragile as Frank's was as well but with the power shots he did land, how well would Fury take such punches? Fury's knees did buckle in the 11th or 12th against Wlad etc.
Like I have thought for some time now that with AJ, they do need to give him more sterner tests without going for the Word Title. If they keep on giving him easy tune ups, then he just will not improve but going for tougher fighters will either help improve him or expose him if he's lacking. Even if he does suffer a loss or 2 in his way towards a title fight, it doesn't mean he can't come back and improve on any weaknesses.
Originally Posted by Styker:
“I think thr two fights in Fury/Klitschko and AJ/Whyte have thrown up a lot more questions than answers.
It is too hard to tell how powerful Fury is as even though he looked a lot bigger in his fight with Klitscko than he did in previous fights, he did not land shots that got Wlad into trouble and I cannot recall seeing any spectacular KO's done by Fury.
With AJ, he reminded me of Frank Bruno body wise and I got the impression his ability to take a punch well might be as fragile as Frank's was as well but with the power shots he did land, how well would Fury take such punches? Fury's knees did buckle in the 11th or 12th against Wlad etc.
Like I have thought for some time now that with AJ, they do need to give him more sterner tests without going for the Word Title. If they keep on giving him easy tune ups, then he just will not improve but going for tougher fighters will either help improve him or expose him if he's lacking. Even if he does suffer a loss or 2 in his way towards a title fight, it doesn't mean he can't come back and improve on any weaknesses.”
“I think thr two fights in Fury/Klitschko and AJ/Whyte have thrown up a lot more questions than answers.
It is too hard to tell how powerful Fury is as even though he looked a lot bigger in his fight with Klitscko than he did in previous fights, he did not land shots that got Wlad into trouble and I cannot recall seeing any spectacular KO's done by Fury.
With AJ, he reminded me of Frank Bruno body wise and I got the impression his ability to take a punch well might be as fragile as Frank's was as well but with the power shots he did land, how well would Fury take such punches? Fury's knees did buckle in the 11th or 12th against Wlad etc.
Like I have thought for some time now that with AJ, they do need to give him more sterner tests without going for the Word Title. If they keep on giving him easy tune ups, then he just will not improve but going for tougher fighters will either help improve him or expose him if he's lacking. Even if he does suffer a loss or 2 in his way towards a title fight, it doesn't mean he can't come back and improve on any weaknesses.”
Yeah AJ does remind me of frank too. Personally I thought frank was very underrated. It was said he was one of the hardest punchers in boxing unfortunately though when he got caught he basically turned into a punch bag. He'd be well in front in the fight too. I'd be shouting at the TV "move for God sake, don't just stand there like a statue" until he went down. I really hope AJ isn't like him. Don't think I could go through that again. Lol
Originally Posted by Matt35:
“Yeah AJ does remind me of frank too. Personally I thought frank was very underrated. It was said he was one of the hardest punchers in boxing unfortunately though when he got caught he basically turned into a punch bag. He'd be well in front in the fight too. I'd be shouting at the TV "move for God sake, don't just stand there like a statue" until he went down. I really hope AJ isn't like him. Don't think I could go through that again. Lol”
“Yeah AJ does remind me of frank too. Personally I thought frank was very underrated. It was said he was one of the hardest punchers in boxing unfortunately though when he got caught he basically turned into a punch bag. He'd be well in front in the fight too. I'd be shouting at the TV "move for God sake, don't just stand there like a statue" until he went down. I really hope AJ isn't like him. Don't think I could go through that again. Lol”
I agree. Frank Bruno showed brilliant boxing ability in his fight with Lennox Lewis, so much so that i think it inspired lewis to want to improve on his own boxing skills which imo were pretty ordinary back then. Lewis had a lot of power, speed, but his boxing ability was poor imo until he got with Emanuel Steward.
I would have liked to have seen more body shots from Bruno in his fights. I remember watching footage of one of his early fights where he finnished/KO a guy with a massive body punch that had the guy wriggling about in pain on the canvass. I suppose the main reason why Bruno didn't go for more body shots was because he might have been worried about being caught with a big punch to the head if he did and or because he used to like using his jab so much and getting round to the body shots just didnt come about enough.
I did find it a bit odd and rare how Bruno used to lose all his power like once he was caught hard enough, he never seemed to have any powers of recovery, though he did take quite a few big shots from lewis in their fight way before he got into real trouble in the 7th round.
Originally Posted by Styker:
“I agree. Frank Bruno showed brilliant boxing ability in his fight with Lennox Lewis, so much so that i think it inspired lewis to want to improve on his own boxing skills which imo were pretty ordinary back then. Lewis had a lot of power, speed, but his boxing ability was poor imo until he got with Emanuel Steward.
I would have liked to have seen more body shots from Bruno in his fights. I remember watching footage of one of his early fights where he finnished/KO a guy with a massive body punch that had the guy wriggling about in pain on the canvass. I suppose the main reason why Bruno didn't go for more body shots was because he might have been worried about being caught with a big punch to the head if he did and or because he used to like using his jab so much and getting round to the body shots just didnt come about enough.
I did find it a bit odd and rare how Bruno used to lose all his power like once he was caught hard enough, he never seemed to have any powers of recovery, though he did take quite a few big shots from lewis in their fight way before he got into real trouble in the 7th round.”
“I agree. Frank Bruno showed brilliant boxing ability in his fight with Lennox Lewis, so much so that i think it inspired lewis to want to improve on his own boxing skills which imo were pretty ordinary back then. Lewis had a lot of power, speed, but his boxing ability was poor imo until he got with Emanuel Steward.
I would have liked to have seen more body shots from Bruno in his fights. I remember watching footage of one of his early fights where he finnished/KO a guy with a massive body punch that had the guy wriggling about in pain on the canvass. I suppose the main reason why Bruno didn't go for more body shots was because he might have been worried about being caught with a big punch to the head if he did and or because he used to like using his jab so much and getting round to the body shots just didnt come about enough.
I did find it a bit odd and rare how Bruno used to lose all his power like once he was caught hard enough, he never seemed to have any powers of recovery, though he did take quite a few big shots from lewis in their fight way before he got into real trouble in the 7th round.”
I remember one fight against bonecrusher smith and Bruno was miles in front on the scorecard and I thought he's gonna be world champion then I think it was round 11 or 12 and he got caught. I knew straight away it was over.
Originally Posted by Matt35:
“I remember one fight against bonecrusher smith and Bruno was miles in front on the scorecard and I thought he's gonna be world champion then I think it was round 11 or 12 and he got caught. I knew straight away it was over.”
“I remember one fight against bonecrusher smith and Bruno was miles in front on the scorecard and I thought he's gonna be world champion then I think it was round 11 or 12 and he got caught. I knew straight away it was over.”
Like I thought, that fight wasn't for a World Title. I think Bonecrusher was like a final eliminator for a shot at one of the titles. In general, bruno was miles better than him and Smith got him in the last round of that fight too.
Frank's losses in titles fights were against Tim Witherspoon, Tyson in 88 or 89 and to Lewis in 93. He lost as WBC Champion to Tyson in 96.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_..._boxing_record
Originally Posted by Styker:
“Like I thought, that fight wasn't for a World Title. I think Bonecrusher was like a final eliminator for a shot at one of the titles. In general, bruno was miles better than him and Smith got him in the last round of that fight too.
Frank's losses in titles fights were against Tim Witherspoon, Tyson in 88 or 89 and to Lewis in 93. He lost as WBC Champion to Tyson in 96.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_..._boxing_record”
“Like I thought, that fight wasn't for a World Title. I think Bonecrusher was like a final eliminator for a shot at one of the titles. In general, bruno was miles better than him and Smith got him in the last round of that fight too.
Frank's losses in titles fights were against Tim Witherspoon, Tyson in 88 or 89 and to Lewis in 93. He lost as WBC Champion to Tyson in 96.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_..._boxing_record”
Might have been witherspoon i was thinking of. Thought he only fought tyson once? I know he had tyson in the first round but couldn't finish him. It was the first time tyson had been shaken and many thought it was bruno that give other fighters the belief that he could be stopped.
Originally Posted by Matt35:
“Might have been witherspoon i was thinking of. Thought he only fought tyson once? I know he had tyson in the first round but couldn't finish him. It was the first time tyson had been shaken and many thought it was bruno that give other fighters the belief that he could be stopped.”
“Might have been witherspoon i was thinking of. Thought he only fought tyson once? I know he had tyson in the first round but couldn't finish him. It was the first time tyson had been shaken and many thought it was bruno that give other fighters the belief that he could be stopped.”
The way Bruno lost to Witherspoon was very similar to the way he lost to James Smith. Bruno was winning both fights and then both fighters ended when Witherspoon/Smith done a bunch of overhead punches which Bruno couldn't handle.
Bruno definetely fought Tyson twice, the second time was in his first and only/last defence as WBC Champ. It was quite horrible to watch as Tyson seemed back to his original fiercesome self of 1986 and he pretty much destroyed Bruno who seemed to have lost the fight before it had even begun as he was so nervous. Bruno retired after that loss as he developed another major problem with his eye but I don't think it would have been smart or worth it for him to have come back after that.
I always thought that Don King was out of order not letting Frank Bruno have at least one or two easy defences as WBC Champ before making him fight Tyson. (Bruno had to agree to fight Tyson next in order to get the fight with Oliver McCall in the first place, - who he beat on points to win the WBC Belt. Though it was reported King did offer Bruno a chance to come back with other title shots at other fighters but then Bruno's eye problem re-occured and he seemed badly affected psychologically from the second loss to Tyson).
Bruno became unmarketable after the 2nd loss to Tyson. Pity, I think he would have hammered WBA chump Bruce Seldon.
But, lets face it, Don King was in it for himself; all the fighters including Tyson mean't nothing to him.
But, lets face it, Don King was in it for himself; all the fighters including Tyson mean't nothing to him.
I don't think this comes as a surprise to anyone.
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxin...=mailsignoutmd
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxin...=mailsignoutmd
Dan Rafael on his twitter said the fight did 400k ppv buys. If that's true then that is insane.
Joshua a genuine box office star attraction no doubt.
Joshua a genuine box office star attraction no doubt.
Originally Posted by Matt35:
“Yeah AJ does remind me of frank too. Personally I thought frank was very underrated. It was said he was one of the hardest punchers in boxing unfortunately though when he got caught he basically turned into a punch bag. He'd be well in front in the fight too. I'd be shouting at the TV "move for God sake, don't just stand there like a statue" until he went down. I really hope AJ isn't like him. Don't think I could go through that again. Lol”
“Yeah AJ does remind me of frank too. Personally I thought frank was very underrated. It was said he was one of the hardest punchers in boxing unfortunately though when he got caught he basically turned into a punch bag. He'd be well in front in the fight too. I'd be shouting at the TV "move for God sake, don't just stand there like a statue" until he went down. I really hope AJ isn't like him. Don't think I could go through that again. Lol”
Agree with most of that. Frank's jab was underrated too. God knows every heavyweight is only a punch away from disaster but every time Frank got caught with anything tasty he basically collapsed. This "I'm a little teapot" dance during his first big test is when I knew he wasn't quite going to make it (scroll to 8.16):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp1odQQ6N7E
Credit to Frank for coming back from it though.
So... Lee V Saunders tonight. Any thoughts? I can't really split them but would have to go Saunders if pushed. He's the better boxer IMO.
Saunders wins tonight imo, I've never quite bought all the Andy Lee hype & he is wide open to be chinned.
Have a feeling it will be a barnstormer though, electric atmosphere & a real treat for Boxing fans before Christmas.
Have a feeling it will be a barnstormer though, electric atmosphere & a real treat for Boxing fans before Christmas.
dont really like BJS. he seems to think everyone and the world is against gypsies. andy lee to win by UD hopefully.
What a stinker of a world title "fight" this has been. Watched every round apart from round 3 as I went to make a coffee ... I can't imagine that the HBO crowed are too impressed.
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