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I'm watching Martinez going down the second time, and I'm watching their feet, there is no visible excuse not to give that as a knockdown. Lucky Martinez. Great display Murray, he checkmated Martinez tonight.
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I'm watching Martinez going down the second time, and I'm watching their feet, there is no visible excuse not to give that as a knockdown. Lucky Martinez. Great display Murray, he checkmated Martinez tonight.
So they watched and still ruled it a slip. Ridiculous |
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WBC have always been morons.
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Not quite sure how Judah has survived this long.
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Surely they could've got someone other than Judah to be in this mini tournament?
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Well hush my mouth, Judah's got him hurt.
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The only other 140 I think they have is Josesito Lopez
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I'm amazed that fight went the distance, i was expecting a repeat of Khan vs Judah
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An unexpectedly good, close fight on a night of unexpectedly good, close fights.
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Has Audley Harrison announced his comeback yet? Been a couple of hours, so he probably thinks he can win the World Championship again now
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I watched the "fight" on YouTube and I'd like to know in which universe he was "taking a knee".
But I'm expecting his comeback announcement imminently as well
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It's quite clear that Deontay Wilder is a huge puncher, but he's doing himself no favours fighting bums like Audley Harrison.
Knocking out Harrison is meaningless, as Audley gets knocked out by his own reflection shaving in the morning! He needs to step up & show the world what level he really is at. |
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An unexpectedly good, close fight on a night of unexpectedly good, close fights.
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RE Khan vs Diaz::
The commentators on both radio and TV made out that Khan was about to be knocked out every time Diaz put some prerssure on Khan when I didn't see that at all! What on earth are these commentators on about? I'm was already fed up with boxing commentators sensationalising and over egging the action on radio but now the TV lot too? Khan is generally susceptible to big shots, many boxers are and have been but in this fight he was sticking and moving, a very good move. The only problems with sticking and moving is that he runs the risk of losing out on points for not having ring generalaship and with Khan, he seems to find it harder to get his shots off that way. I think he should adopt Lennox Lewis's boxing stance where he was often sticking his left foot forward, held his hands verry high where they could block incoming shots good and he jabbed and jabbed good and let everything come off the jab and then he moved. Khan almost kind of "jumps" in, does a few shots and then moves where I think he should do it the Lewis way and if he can get perfect that, maybe he will fare better but he also needs to work on to see hook shots coming in and block them or move or maybe even try and duck/bob and weave them but I think he would probably get caught trying to do a duck/bob weave on an incoming hook shot. |
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On another point/question, how do people think Khan will fare if he moves up in weight division? He could be weight drained and boxers who are weight drained often do lose their punching power as a result where they regain it if they move up in weight but there is a limit to what weight they can move up to. Do you think Khan's punching power will improve or get worse if he moves up in weight? I thought his shots where not to bad in the fight at the weekend.
Some people might say Khan hasn't got enough punching power or very little of it but his punching power in the Olympics seemed very strong so what changed? p.s. oh and another question, does Virgil Hunter normally stay out of the ring to advise his boxers, did he do that with Andre Ward or is he just doing this with Amir and if he is, why?! |
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RE Khan vs Diaz::
The commentators on both radio and TV made out that Khan was about to be knocked out every time Diaz put some prerssure on Khan when I didn't see that at all! What on earth are these commentators on about? I'm was already fed up with boxing commentators sensationalising and over egging the action on radio but now the TV lot too? Khan is generally susceptible to big shots, many boxers are and have been but in this fight he was sticking and moving, a very good move. The only problems with sticking and moving is that he runs the risk of losing out on points for not having ring generalaship and with Khan, he seems to find it harder to get his shots off that way. I think he should adopt Lennox Lewis's boxing stance where he was often sticking his left foot forward, held his hands verry high where they could block incoming shots good and he jabbed and jabbed good and let everything come off the jab and then he moved. Khan almost kind of "jumps" in, does a few shots and then moves where I think he should do it the Lewis way and if he can get perfect that, maybe he will fare better but he also needs to work on to see hook shots coming in and block them or move or maybe even try and duck/bob and weave them but I think he would probably get caught trying to do a duck/bob weave on an incoming hook shot. Somebody really needs to have a word with him as his commentary was far from accurate ... certainly doesn't come across as a fan of Khan. |
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On another point/question, how do people think Khan will fare if he moves up in weight division?
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Do you think Khan's punching power will improve or get worse if he moves up in weight? I thought his shots where not to bad in the fight at the weekend.
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Some people might say Khan hasn't got enough punching power or very little of it but his punching power in the Olympics seemed very strong so what changed?
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p.s. oh and another question, does Virgil Hunter normally stay out of the ring to advise his boxers, did he do that with Andre Ward or is he just doing this with Amir and if he is, why?!
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The commentators on both radio and TV made out that Khan was about to be knocked out every time Diaz put some prerssure on Khan when I didn't see that at all! What on earth are these commentators on about? I'm was already fed up with boxing commentators sensationalising and over egging the action on radio but now the TV lot too?
Khan did the chicken dance on numerous occasions, Diaz isn't even that great a fighter yet he managed to rock Khan multiple times. Hunter can try and teach him as much as he wants, Conte can continue fattening that neck, all it takes is one decent shot on Khan and he becomes as wobbly as jelly.And now we have: Quote:
BOXING .Bolton fighter Amir Khan is targeting a world title fight in the United States in December. The former world light welterweight champion recovered from being floored by Julio Diaz to secure a hard-fought win over the Mexican on Saturday. "There are a few names we're looking at," he said. "I want to face the likes of Danny Garcia and Lamont Peterson. I want to regain the world title and then jump into the ring with Floyd Mayweather and other big names I'm beginning to think Khan is as delusional as A-Force. |
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. I'm beginning to think Khan is as delusional as A-Force. And i'm also thinking the same as you about his delusions in fact i thought this was the case when he spat the dummy out when Sky pulled him out of Box Office with his fight with McCloskey claiming he (Khan) is a PPV fighter! I see Barry Hearn has done it again by signing up David Haye which i think is a very clever move for both! Hearn gets the money that gets pulled in by Haye and Haye gets the ultimate promotion machine that is Sky behind him! And its also good to see they've seen sense this time and put him on SS1 rather than Box Office! |
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Everyone but Malignaggi would destroy him. Broner, Guerrero, Bradley, Alexander, Ortiz, Mayweather, Provodnikov beat Khan easily. He should have took the fight with Brook when he had the chance. Who wins that one? I'm not sure, Brook is overhyped as well.
Khan did the chicken dance on numerous occasions, Diaz isn't even that great a fighter yet he managed to rock Khan multiple times. Hunter can try and teach him as much as he wants, Conte can continue fattening that neck, all it takes is one decent shot on Khan and he becomes as wobbly as jelly. And now we have: . I'm beginning to think Khan is as delusional as A-Force. There have been lots of fighters who back off, let their opponents come to them and do stick and move tactics, counter punches as a result including Chris Eubank and Floyd Mayweather! Most big name boxers have it the deck bigtime over their careers and everyone thinks they will always get knocked out or will be unable to continue if they are caught hard enough but it doesn't always work out that way. Look at Evander Holyfield, twice beaten by Riddick Bowe, Bowe had him down around Round 11 in their first fight and in their 3rd fight, Holyfield if I remember rightly seemed to be breathless and was unable to move/continue while still standing in a corner but then look what he did to Mike Tyson 2 years on in their two fights together! I think that is a prime example of how all is not over just because a fighter gets knocked down or gets stopped. I'l give another example, Lennox Lewis. After the referee stopped his fight with Oliver McCall after McCall knocked Lewis down in the second round, Lewis imo was generally pretty gun shy from then on but he managed to get round his susceptibility to getting whacked pretty well. He remained Champ and unifeid Champ for some years and only got caught by Hasim Rahman on a knockout defeat in the near on 10 years worth of fights after losing to McCall. I do remember how careful Lewis was with David Tua who did have the power to have knocked Lewis down and probably out but as Lewis was so careful and Tua was too slow, it didn't happen. In a nutshell, Khan's chin problem is not as big a problem as its being made out to be though obvioulsy it would be better if he didn't have that problem. I think I believe him when he says that even when he gets knocked down, he is fine to continue too though referees will have to look out in future and over time if he is taking more punishment than is safe to do so. |
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There have been lots of fighters who back off, let their opponents come to them and do stick and move tactics, counter punches as a result including Chris Eubank and Floyd Mayweather! Most big name boxers have it the deck bigtime over their careers and everyone thinks they will always get knocked out or will be unable to continue if they are caught hard enough but it doesn't always work out that way.
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In a nutshell, Khan's chin problem is not as big a problem as its being made out to be though obvioulsy it would be better if he didn't have that problem. I think I believe him when he says that even when he gets knocked down, he is fine to continue too though referees will have to look out in future and over time if he is taking more punishment than is safe to do so.
If Julio Diaz can do that, can you imagine what the top names at 140 would do? He should be thankful that Arum refuses to work with Schaefer otherwise you would have the likes of Brandon Rios and Mike Alvarado smelling blood as well. Khan should go back and fight Prescott, and he should jump at the chance to fight Brook, because that is his level now. He is kidding himself if he thinks he can win another world title. |
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Khan's chin isnt actually as bad as people think yeah he goes down but he is able to recover to a degree, its not a great chin though and needs protecting. the problem is the guy is a dumb fighter, he has no boxing smarts, he just tries to overwhelm then gets tagged becuase of his terrible defence. he did try a few different things and backed off a bit this time which probably saved him but I think he is on the slide.
he cant keep having these tooth and nail battles every fight, its taking its toll. He is young but the damage he is taking is going to effect him a few fights down the line. Its a shame because he loves the sport and has heart but i fear he will be destroyed by it. better opposition would have taken him apart this fight, Garcia wouldnt have let him off the hook, as we saw last time. I kind of hoped Khan would think to himself jesus I took another beating, maybe I should call it quits on a win, no such luck. down the line we are going to see him face planted like Hatton, a sad end. as for Harrisson, I'm with him, he was robbed
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None of which Khan can do. Khan is a wreckless come forward fighter. When he backs off, it's because he has been hurt and is trying to dodge being at the least knocked down. He was in trouble alot vs Diaz, who I don't think was even ranked in the top 10 in the division, not many people were giving him that much of a chance from what I saw. And yet he was able to look like Marcos Maidana because Khan gets in trouble too easily.
I think it's a very big problem. Khan is not a smart fighter, Hunter can try and teach him but Khan is not Ward. Ward is one of the smartest boxers in boxing today, Khan is the opposite. If Khan was smart he would be able to protect his chin, but he can't. He becomes too careless, too excited, and then he is countered and all of a sudden Khan is in trouble. If Julio Diaz can do that, can you imagine what the top names at 140 would do? He should be thankful that Arum refuses to work with Schaefer otherwise you would have the likes of Brandon Rios and Mike Alvarado smelling blood as well. Khan should go back and fight Prescott, and he should jump at the chance to fight Brook, because that is his level now. He is kidding himself if he thinks he can win another world title. If you remember Khan with his original professional trainer Oliver Harrison was very disciplined. He used to come forward throw his punches and move back in a calm manor without getting caught too much. On another forum, I used to think that Oliver Harrison's tactics for Khan where too basic and I was calling for Khan to take on a more heavyweight trainer but a jounalist on that forum took the complete opposite view and I think he was right in the end. Its since Khan has started to switch trainers that he started to get beaten. Having said that, I still think Khan needed more moves in his repertoire but Khan seemed to be at his most disciplined under Harrison and he would do well to go back to being that disciplined/focuses. His loss to Prescott was not under Harrison either was it? It was under that trainer Khan took on from what Columbia wasn't it? |
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By the way, I hope Khan doesn't fight Devon Alexander as he said after the Lamont Peterson situation that he would never fight for a IBF Belt again and I think that was the right call.
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I was just watching some of Froch vs Ward and Virgil Hunter seemed to get into the ring in between rounds to talk to Ward, instruct him so why didn't he do that with Khan too instead of standing right outside the ring, forcing Khan to look awkwardly down when he should have been getting his breath back?!
Did Hunter do that in Khan's last fight too? If he did, whats the problem? Is he ashamed of being with Khan or something?! |
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