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Serial Lurker
01-05-2013
Originally Posted by Styker:
“If you remember Khan with his original professional trainer Oliver Harrison was very disciplined. He used to come forward throw his punches and move back in a calm manor without getting caught too much. On another forum, I used to think that Oliver Harrison's tactics for Khan where too basic and I was calling for Khan to take on a more heavyweight trainer but a jounalist on that forum took the complete opposite view and I think he was right in the end.

Its since Khan has started to switch trainers that he started to get beaten. Having said that, I still think Khan needed more moves in his repertoire but Khan seemed to be at his most disciplined under Harrison and he would do well to go back to being that disciplined/focuses. His loss to Prescott was not under Harrison either was it? It was under that trainer Khan took on from what Columbia wasn't it?”

Yes, team Khan had a falling out with Harrison, as they have a tendency to do with people. Cuban I believe the new trainer was. Harrison's a good trainer, the grass isn't always greener.

But alas, Khan and his team seem to get taken in by whatever big name American flavour of the month trainer is. I've never heard trainers talked about as being so important apart from with Khan for some reason. Trainers can only do so much, once he's in the ring it's down to him. He'll never be Andre Ward - Khan is a fighter but he isn't a boxer; Ward knows things about boxing that you can't teach people.

To me it seems like Khan has lost confidence. He's had so many people in his ear telling him what to do and what not to do that he's losing what made him special in the first place. Plus, people say he's only 26, but in boxing terms he's a very old 26 - he's been in a few too many wars than is desirable if you want a long career at the top. Maybe he's just declining.
JasonWatkins
01-05-2013
http://m.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/m...oxing-olympics

Harrison announces retirement. In other news, Steve, 25, from Cheam yawned.

(mobile link as I'm not home .. sorry)
Styker
01-05-2013
Originally Posted by Serial Lurker:
“Yes, team Khan had a falling out with Harrison, as they have a tendency to do with people. Cuban I believe the new trainer was. Harrison's a good trainer, the grass isn't always greener.

But alas, Khan and his team seem to get taken in by whatever big name American flavour of the month trainer is. I've never heard trainers talked about as being so important apart from with Khan for some reason. Trainers can only do so much, once he's in the ring it's down to him. He'll never be Andre Ward - Khan is a fighter but he isn't a boxer; Ward knows things about boxing that you can't teach people.

To me it seems like Khan has lost confidence. He's had so many people in his ear telling him what to do and what not to do that he's losing what made him special in the first place. Plus, people say he's only 26, but in boxing terms he's a very old 26 - he's been in a few too many wars than is desirable if you want a long career at the top. Maybe he's just declining.”

Trainers are incredibly important, just look at Lennox Lewis as a prime example. He was with Pepe Correra who in my view was not a good trainer at all and after Lewis lost to Oliver McCall he took on Emmanuel Steward who had trained McCall to beat him. Lewis went from a rough diamond to a cut diamond and developed all sorts of brilliant boxing skills and was around 30 when he took on Steward too.

I think Khan has 3 problems at the moment. First of all he has to sort out his trainer situation. It was bizarre that Virgil Hunter chose to stay outside of the ring to instruct Khan and I didn't like it one bit and Khan should demand he gets in the ring to instruct him or get rid of him!

The next problem is Khan's punching power. Will it diminish or not if he moves up? He seemed to have pretty good punching power from what I've seen so far of the Carlos Molina fight.

Finally he is too keen in general and is always in a rush. It is because of his rush and desire to fight in America and "see his name in the big bright lights" that bought on a lot of his current troubles imo as fighting away from home always runs the risk of injustice and boy did he get that plate served to him alright on the Peterson fight!

I think you are right that he has too many people whispering in his ear, probably people who do not know enough about the sport which is why it might be better to get a british promoter involved again or someone who will do a good job guiding him properly and sincerely but who? What about Jim Mcdonald?
grassmarket
01-05-2013
Originally Posted by JasonWatkins:
“http://m.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/m...oxing-olympics

Harrison announces retirement. In other news, Steve, 25, from Cheam yawned.”

Just like to say that I, too, am retiring from professional boxing. At age 53 and 20+ stone, I find that my knees are not as good as they used to be. I'm also retiring from bull-fighting and diving off high cliffs, by the way.
TH14
01-05-2013
Originally Posted by Styker:
“By the way, I hope Khan doesn't fight Devon Alexander as he said after the Lamont Peterson situation that he would never fight for a IBF Belt again and I think that was the right call.”

That's a shame as that would be a fantastic fight. Devon Alexander is a great boxer and would easily dispose of Khan but it would be a great spectacle.

As for Khan, I don't rate him at all and I thought he seemed a lot slower than usual. Normally, his speed is blistering but I noticed that his pace was a bit off and that's his biggest asset. No matter who trains him, he will never beat the top fighters and is truly deluded if he thinks he could beat Mayweather...he wouldn't even beat Broner, Bradley, Garcia, Peterson and Lucas Matthysse would have him sent away in a body bag

I'm looking forward to the Floyd fight and have seen a picture of his black eye. Ruben Guerrero has mentioned that he's heard he's having a hard time in sparring and age has caught up with him and he was battered in sparring by the US olympian Errol Spence who was then thrown out of the Mayweather gym. I didn't believe it until I saw that bruise under his eye and maybe age is catching up with him. Guerrero is an excellent fighter and I think it's unfair that nobody gives him a chance as he's better than Ortiz, Mosely and last years Cotto. I think Floyd will just about pull through but will have a torrid fight
Syntax Error
01-05-2013
Originally Posted by JasonWatkins:
“http://m.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/m...oxing-olympics

Harrison announces retirement. In other news, Steve, 25, from Cheam yawned.

(mobile link as I'm not home .. sorry)”

LOL!!!

I thought he retired about 7 years ago: at least he should have.

He can go & spend all the money he's conned out of pro boxing now.
Jimmy_McNulty
01-05-2013
Originally Posted by Styker:
“If you remember Khan with his original professional trainer Oliver Harrison was very disciplined. He used to come forward throw his punches and move back in a calm manor without getting caught too much. On another forum, I used to think that Oliver Harrison's tactics for Khan where too basic and I was calling for Khan to take on a more heavyweight trainer but a jounalist on that forum took the complete opposite view and I think he was right in the end.

Its since Khan has started to switch trainers that he started to get beaten. Having said that, I still think Khan needed more moves in his repertoire but Khan seemed to be at his most disciplined under Harrison and he would do well to go back to being that disciplined/focuses. His loss to Prescott was not under Harrison either was it? It was under that trainer Khan took on from what Columbia wasn't it?”

Was Khan disciplined because of the level of fighters he was facing or because of the trainer?

Jorge Rubio was Khan's trainer. He was actually the one who suggested that Khan face Prescott, and Frank Warren not knowing that much about Prescott took Rubio's word that Khan could beat him. After the fight he was subsequently sacked.

Originally Posted by Styker:
“By the way, I hope Khan doesn't fight Devon Alexander as he said after the Lamont Peterson situation that he would never fight for a IBF Belt again and I think that was the right call.”

If that is the case Khan would be making a mistake. Alexander isn't that busy a fighter, and isn't that big a puncher so that is actually a fight that Khan could realistically have more of a chance of winning than any other title fight.

Originally Posted by Serial Lurker:
“But alas, Khan and his team seem to get taken in by whatever big name American flavour of the month trainer is. ”

I hope for his sake he doesn't believe the Robert Garcia hype, otherwise he really would be done for.
Styker
01-05-2013
Originally Posted by TH14:
“That's a shame as that would be a fantastic fight. Devon Alexander is a great boxer and would easily dispose of Khan but it would be a great spectacle.

As for Khan, I don't rate him at all and I thought he seemed a lot slower than usual. Normally, his speed is blistering but I noticed that his pace was a bit off and that's his biggest asset. No matter who trains him, he will never beat the top fighters and is truly deluded if he thinks he could beat Mayweather...he wouldn't even beat Broner, Bradley, Garcia, Peterson and Lucas Matthysse would have him sent away in a body bag

I'm looking forward to the Floyd fight and have seen a picture of his black eye. Ruben Guerrero has mentioned that he's heard he's having a hard time in sparring and age has caught up with him and he was battered in sparring by the US olympian Errol Spence who was then thrown out of the Mayweather gym. I didn't believe it until I saw that bruise under his eye and maybe age is catching up with him. Guerrero is an excellent fighter and I think it's unfair that nobody gives him a chance as he's better than Ortiz, Mosely and last years Cotto. I think Floyd will just about pull through but will have a torrid fight”

People said Khan wouldn't be able to beat Maidana and he did. Also didn't Tim Bradley duck Khan?

Originally Posted by Jimmy_McNulty:
“Was Khan disciplined because of the level of fighters he was facing or because of the trainer?

Jorge Rubio was Khan's trainer. He was actually the one who suggested that Khan face Prescott, and Frank Warren not knowing that much about Prescott took Rubio's word that Khan could beat him. After the fight he was subsequently sacked.

I hope for his sake he doesn't believe the Robert Garcia hype, otherwise he really would be done for.”



Oliver Harrison was Khan's trainer before the Prescott fight and up until then, Khan kept it under control. Since then, he keeps on wanting to get into wars and with his chin it is not the smart thing to do.

I really don't blame Khan for not wanting nothing to do with the IBF. They have always thrown massive spanners in the works for boxers over the years including British Boxers such as Naseem Hamed and Lennox Lewis when they held IBF Belts and or wanted to go for unification fights. The IBF didn't strip Peterson of his belt after he failed the drugs test, isn't Khan right to steer clear of the IBF because of that? I think he is!
If that is the case Khan would be making a mistake. Alexander isn't that busy a fighter, and isn't that big a puncher so that is actually a fight that Khan could realistically have more of a chance of winning than any other title fight.
Jimmy_McNulty
02-05-2013
Quote:
“People said Khan wouldn't be able to beat Maidana and he did. Also didn't Tim Bradley duck Khan?”

My memory is hazy on that one. There was alot of posturing between the 2, then Arum came in and said 'Come join Top Rank and I guarantee you will fight Pacquiao'

So Bradley hopped skipped and jumped over to Top Rank. Pacquiao or Khan? Tough choice. Not a duck in my book.
TH14
03-05-2013
Originally Posted by Jimmy_McNulty:
“My memory is hazy on that one. There was alot of posturing between the 2, then Arum came in and said 'Come join Top Rank and I guarantee you will fight Pacquiao'

So Bradley hopped skipped and jumped over to Top Rank. Pacquiao or Khan? Tough choice. Not a duck in my book.”

Exactly, if he ducked opponents then he wouldn't have found himself in the ring with Pac and he's fighting Marquez next so he's hardly in the habit of ducking opponents. I wouldn't believe everything Khan says as he is so deluded he thinks he can take on Mayweather.
Jimmy_McNulty
03-05-2013
Speaking of Mayweather are you looking forward to the fight this weekend? I can't make my mind up if this will be Pacquaio vs Margarito or if Guerrero can overwhelm FMJ.

Also check out Abner Mares on the undercard, the guy is like a human hurricane.
rachelright
03-05-2013
Also just to add David Haye is guaranteeing a great fight with Manuel Charr which should be good (fingers crossed)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPl0uw6q2cA
Serial Lurker
03-05-2013
Dunno about a great fight, he should knock him out with little bother though.
TH14
03-05-2013
Originally Posted by Jimmy_McNulty:
“Speaking of Mayweather are you looking forward to the fight this weekend? I can't make my mind up if this will be Pacquaio vs Margarito or if Guerrero can overwhelm FMJ.

Also check out Abner Mares on the undercard, the guy is like a human hurricane.”

It'll be interesting to see what shape Floyd's in. He got hit a lot against Cotto and has had a really long break and rumours are that he was battered in sparring by a US olympic boxer and there are pictures of him on the net with a bruised eye so maybe he has lost a bit of his swagger now that he's 36. Guerrero is a tough opponent so who knows?
Syntax Error
04-05-2013
Floyd's career is about to hit a really interesting phase.

He's into his 37th year now & judging by his last fight, he has lost something.

He's been semi retired for years now, yet he has signed a 6 fight in 30 months deal!

I can't see Floyd having 6 fights in 30 months at all; not at his current rate of activity.

If he does step up his activity rate & fights the best on offer, he could well lose that '0' of his.
treetop
04-05-2013
I suppose FMJ's fight is on PPV tonight? Anybody any idea of what sort of time he fights?
Jimmy_McNulty
04-05-2013
Originally Posted by treetop:
“I suppose FMJ's fight is on PPV tonight? Anybody any idea of what sort of time he fights?”

Coverage starts at 01:30am on BoxNation, it won't start until about 3:30-4:00am
treetop
04-05-2013
Originally Posted by Jimmy_McNulty:
“Coverage starts at 01:30am on BoxNation, it won't start until about 3:30-4:00am”


Thank you
Parthenon
04-05-2013
Just watched Wlad K take Francesco Pianeta apart. Pianeta looked lively for the first couple of rounds but got tied up in classic Wlad style whenever he got close to doing damage. Completely outclassed in the end. Wlad was just landing right hands at will until he put Pianeta down in round 6.

Should prove a nice warm-up for the Povetkin fight that needs to happen.
Jimmy_McNulty
04-05-2013
Taken apart like a piņata? I didn't see the fight tbh, not really interested in Wlad K fights because of the huge gulf in class.
Serial Lurker
05-05-2013
Povetkin is fat and, nowadays, shit. I'd have Tyson Fury to beat him, let alone Wladimir.
Jimmy_McNulty
05-05-2013
20 minutes to the start on BN, the undercard is actually pretty good for this event. I might watch it and then watch the main event in the morning depending on what time it starts.
Jimmy_McNulty
05-05-2013
Mayweather won't be until about 04:30
Cantona07
05-05-2013
Mayweather is God.

Enough said.
TH14
05-05-2013
Floyd was fantastic and in a completely different league to Guerrero. Had he not injured his hand then he would have probably knocked him out. Talk of him slowing down was very premature and the only fighter out there IMO who could pose him a problem is Canelo. Talk of Amir Khan sharing the ring with Floyd is laughable
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