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Old 04-10-2013, 00:12
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I don't know why so many think the Douglas win over Tyson was such a massive shock.
Douglas was a talented boxer who was in the best shape of his life.
Tyson was already in decline, with his onetime fantastic upper body and head movement all but gone. His jab was also becoming sparcely used.

By the time of the Douglas fight he was standing square on, very easy to hit, and just walking in in straight lines throwing increasingly crude, slugging punches. Everything he'd been taught under Cus and Kevin Rooney was going out of the window.

Significantly, Tyson was decked in training by a washed up Greg Page, and he was out drinking in Japan leading up to the fight.
Before he even became a champ 'Team Tyson' always knew he'd go off the rails, it was just a question of when.
To be fair I only put that in to highlight the magnitude of a Khan victory over Mayweather! That Douglas win is considered one of the biggest upset ever wasn't he 42-1 to win, now that is huge and a fair comparison in difference and expectation!

I was only 1 when that happened all my knowledge from that is from reading up on it and from that i would agree with you about a lot of factors that lead up to it which shows Tyson wasn't the fighter that was being made out at that time! But didnt Douglas get knocked out by Holyfield in his next fight?

I could have put when Rahman beat Lewis in South Africa 12 years ago, that was a big shock even though it shouldn't have been!
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Old 04-10-2013, 00:26
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I don't know why so many think the Douglas win over Tyson was such a massive shock.
Douglas was a talented boxer who was in the best shape of his life.
Tyson was already in decline, with his onetime fantastic upper body and head movement all but gone. His jab was also becoming sparcely used.

By the time of the Douglas fight he was standing square on, very easy to hit, and just walking in in straight lines throwing increasingly crude, slugging punches. Everything he'd been taught under Cus and Kevin Rooney was going out of the window.

Significantly, Tyson was decked in training by a washed up Greg Page, and he was out drinking in Japan leading up to the fight.
Before he even became a champ 'Team Tyson' always knew he'd go off the rails, it was just a question of when.
that was an upset if there ever was one. Many felt Tyson could be exposed due to his declining skills but few thought Douglas was the man to do it. I though Holy was going to give Mike big problems in 91, how I wish that fight happened...

I cant believe Khan is getting a fight with Mayweather. what an opportunity, will probably be a fun fight as well, despite the fact he will lose lol. I think he deserves it to be honest. even though he has lost a few big fights he showed a lot of heart and didnt let his spirit get broken. I'm not a fan of the guy but I admire his love of boxing, which is more than you can say for a lot of these phonies that dont wanna fight.
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Old 04-10-2013, 11:54
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Dunno whether to book the Vegas flights and hotels just now. Can get a week there round the fight for £800. As soon as the fight is announced officially the prices will rocket but this is really not the right time for me to be doing this.......

Decisions.....
If you're in a position to do so, I'd definitely go for it.

'Money' Mayweather is the best boxer on Earth; the best boxer of his generation & a nailed on ATG for sure.

If you can get to watch a fighter of that magnitude live, it will be worth it, even if the opponent is not Amir Khan.
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Old 04-10-2013, 12:07
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Wladimir should beat him easily but it'll be interesting to see how the notorious control freaks handle not having everything their own way. Apparently Povetkin's team is turning the Klitschko's usual trick against them and getting Chisora to oversee Wlad wrapping his hands, which is hilarious tbf. Three cheers for Povetkin's shady Russian mafia backers.
Should be a good fight.

Povetkin is the best of the rest IMO, so should be able to at least test Wlad.

Late stoppage for Wlad for me.
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Old 04-10-2013, 17:55
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But didnt Douglas get knocked out by Holyfield in his next fight?

I could have put when Rahman beat Lewis in South Africa 12 years ago, that was a big shock even though it shouldn't have been!

Hello there stranger

Yes, Douglas did get Ko'd by Holyfield in 3 rounds in his next fight. Douglas was in awful shape with rolls of fat on him and been partying since he beat Tyson. That Douglas would have been splattered by even the Tyson that was in decline.

As for Lewis vs Rahman.
Again, before the fight it was rumoured Lewis didn't take Rahman seriously and trained poorly for the fight, He looked dreadful from round one and it was no surprise he got his ass kicked that night.
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Old 04-10-2013, 18:37
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Hasn't Lewis admitted that his prep for the first fight was awful? Looked out of sorts in that fight. Didn't he only arrive the week of the fight aswell?
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Old 05-10-2013, 05:36
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Hasn't Lewis admitted that his prep for the first fight was awful? Looked out of sorts in that fight. Didn't he only arrive the week of the fight aswell?
Lewis turned up in South Africa 11 days before the fight, which is in defiance of common wisdom which states you need 6 weeks to acclimatise to the high altitude.

Lewis' poor preparation was apparent within minutes as he tired very quickly & Rahman splattered him in 5.
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Old 05-10-2013, 11:07
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Managed to met Evander Holyfield yesterday in Manchester. Was a very chance meeting as I was working in the area and noticed he was having a photo shoot in a side street.

He was there doing some charity work. What a lovely guy, shame the same can't be said for the guys from Team Hatton who was doing his security work.
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Old 05-10-2013, 12:05
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Lewis turned up in South Africa 11 days before the fight, which is in defiance of common wisdom which states you need 6 weeks to acclimatise to the high altitude.

Lewis' poor preparation was apparent within minutes as he tired very quickly & Rahman splattered him in 5.
Just watched it again on YouTube. Lewis didn't look as bad as I rememberd. Yes he tired, but so did Rahman. As we all know, with the heavy weights, it only takes 1 punch to end a fight.
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Old 05-10-2013, 14:57
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Just watched it again on YouTube. Lewis didn't look as bad as I rememberd. Yes he tired, but so did Rahman. As we all know, with the heavy weights, it only takes 1 punch to end a fight.
Very true.

Just look at the Lewis -v- Rahman rematch?

That was also a devastating & sudden finish, but this time, Rahman was on the receiving end.

Two quality knockouts.
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Old 05-10-2013, 18:37
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Very true.

Just look at the Lewis -v- Rahman rematch?

That was also a devastating & sudden finish, but this time, Rahman was on the receiving end.

Two quality knockouts.
Lewis wasn't going to make the same mistake again. Rematch was a great display iirc. And a great KO shot.
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Old 05-10-2013, 19:19
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Anyone know when the Klitschko fight is due to start?
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Old 05-10-2013, 19:35
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Povetkin is a bum, I doubt he could beat Fury, Haye or Delboy, actually I guarantee he couldn't beat them.

He's held on to a title by dodgy decisions and fighting over the hill boxers.

Wlad will need a knock out otherwise like the others he will be screwed out of a win
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Old 05-10-2013, 19:45
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In terms of Khan vs Floyd

Khan can do no worse than Canelo and The Ghost

A loss is a loss

One thing I know is Khan will at least come to fight unlike Canelo who gave up and was reluctant to engage.

You cant outbox Floyd, instead you have to put consistent pressure on him like Cotto did, use the jab, Khan has a beautiful jab, I think he can nick a few rounds, and win a controversial SD, on the other hand Khan could also get knocked out.

With Khan anything is possible due to his weak punch resistance.

It'll be a fun fight to watch due to Khans high work rate, the opponent is forced to work at his pace, Floyd normally works at his own pace, but in this fight he will find he has to work on a faster level.
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Old 05-10-2013, 20:00
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Anyone know when the Klitschko fight is due to start?
Watching a stream at the moment and people have been saying 8pm or 9pm, and it's not started yet so probably in an hour.

Not expecting Wlad to be tested too much. Povetkin doesn't look anything like the guy that dominated Chagaev. Could well be wrong though!
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Old 05-10-2013, 20:09
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Watching a stream at the moment and people have been saying 8pm or 9pm, and it's not started yet so probably in an hour.

Not expecting Wlad to be tested too much. Povetkin doesn't look anything like the guy that dominated Chagaev. Could well be wrong though!
He has a punchers chance, if he can get in close enough.

Closer it gets more I think it will be another Kiltschko walk over.
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Old 05-10-2013, 20:21
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He has a punchers chance, if he can get in close enough.

Closer it gets more I think it will be another Kiltschko walk over.
Not much of a big puncher, he'll need a combo to hurt Wlads chin

Haye hit Wlad with a beautiful right in round 11 and Wlads legs stiffened, but he was unable to follow up with another punch

You cant pot shot Wlad, getting combos off on Wlad when ur a shorter guy is very difficult
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Old 05-10-2013, 20:28
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Sounds like it's going to be a smaller ring than Wlad is used to, probably so he can't move around as much. Add that to the potentially dodgy judges and we could have a good fight in store. Wlad might have no choice other than to stop Povetkin!
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Old 05-10-2013, 20:30
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Sounds like it's going to be a smaller ring than Wlad is used to, probably so he can't move around as much. Add that to the potentially dodgy judges and we could have a good fight in store. Wlad might have no choice other than to stop Povetkin!
Wlad got a ref of his choice, who is known to allow excessive grabbing, so that will benefit Wlad, he loves to hold
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Old 05-10-2013, 20:34
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Looks like it's starting! (finally)
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Old 05-10-2013, 20:39
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this intro is boring
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Old 05-10-2013, 21:01
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Lots of holding! Wlad's jab is landing well.
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Old 05-10-2013, 21:02
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wlad grabbing as usual
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Old 05-10-2013, 21:05
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Povetkin down, up at 8.
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Old 05-10-2013, 21:06
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wlad illegal holding

not sure why points are never taken off
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