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Old 26-10-2012, 11:15
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I've said it before; Harrison will talk his way into a big fight inside the next 18 months. The heavyweight division is moribund right now & the only meaningful fights that are viable do not happen easily, so this means the likes of Harrison can keep talking his way into big contests.
I'm not so sure. Sure, he can certainly talk a good game but his reputation is in tatters so I honestly can't see how any promoter worth their salt would even consider him a viable opponent. There isn't even novelty value in anyone beating him any more.

The Chisora fight might come off if they can stage a similar angle to the one Chisora was involved with with Haye to turn it into a 'grudge match', but even then, Harrison's credibility is so poor, they'd struggle to build any interest in the match.

I didn't know he was talking about fighting Rogan again, but that certainly seems the most logical as it stands. If he beats him, and beats him convincingly, he can retire claiming he's "avenged" his most embarrassing defeat. I can even see the fight being promoted "unfinished business" ..
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Old 17-11-2012, 22:38
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Froch/Mack starting very soon on Sky Sports 1 for anybody that didn't know or cares.
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Old 17-11-2012, 23:41
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Froch/Mack starting very soon on Sky Sports 1 for anybody that didn't know or cares.
Yet another evening of dull, one-sided mismatches on Sky. Absolute farce from start to finish.

It's little wonder the sport is almost dead when boxing fans are served up total shit like that every time.

I used to love boxing but the whole sport has become a joke.
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Old 17-11-2012, 23:43
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Froch/Mack starting very soon on Sky Sports 1 for anybody that didn't know or cares.
1.30 am is not 'very soon'
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Old 18-11-2012, 06:44
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Great win for Carl. He will not of course , be nominated as a sports personality of the year. I've no idea why the media seem to ignore him. He is a World Champion.

Here is my advice Carl . Go and beat up a taxi driver, you will be worshipped by the media , or even better develop a scouser or cockney accent , and better still go and appear in that jungle rubbish
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Old 18-11-2012, 10:20
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1.30 am is not 'very soon'
As if the fight, being held in Nottingham, was on at 1:30 am.

It started about 11.
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Old 18-11-2012, 10:36
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1.30 am is not 'very soon'
Very true. However it wasn't on at 1.30am.
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Old 18-11-2012, 14:58
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Great win for Carl. He will not of course , be nominated as a sports personality of the year. I've no idea why the media seem to ignore him. He is a World Champion.

Here is my advice Carl . Go and beat up a taxi driver, you will be worshipped by the media , or even better develop a scouser or cockney accent , and better still go and appear in that jungle rubbish
It's bizarre that Carl Froch receives so little coverage or appreciation.

Carl has always sought out the toughest challenges & proven himself to be world class against all opposition, bar the absolute elite like Andre Ward.

He's got the best resume of any British fighter bar none, yet he hardly ever gets mentioned.
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Old 22-11-2012, 19:12
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Yet another evening of dull, one-sided mismatches on Sky. Absolute farce from start to finish.

It's little wonder the sport is almost dead when boxing fans are served up total shit like that every time.

I used to love boxing but the whole sport has become a joke.
The sport is dead due in part to ppv and no terrestial coverage. Forget shows like the contender who get boys in long trousers to fight each other.

I'm so fed up that I've taken to youtube to watch the fights that made me fall in love with boxing in the first place.
Do you recall Julian "the hawk" Jackson, Mike "the bodysnatcher" McCallum, a young James "lights out" Toney, Marvellous Marvin Hagler, Big George Foreman (the Ron Lyle
slugfest springs to mind) and the fallen god that was Gerald McClellan.

Boxing has always gone through rough patches. Right now the heavyweight, CW, LH divisions are in crisis while the super middleweight and welterweight divisions are flush with talent. For the poster who remarked Carl Froch isn't recognised or appreciated, I would say his fight are covered by the mainstream press and should he get revenge on Kessler in 2013 you'll see just how household his name has become.
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Old 22-11-2012, 20:13
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Boxing isn't dead, it's just of a very poor quality in this country. I blame this solely at the hands of Frank Warren and the BBBofC. The BBBofC are a bunch of self serving dinosaurs who couldn't separate their backsides from their noses. As for Frank Warren, he signs fighters and does nothing but put them up against bums (as Cleverly is finding out), and if that isn't enough, the referees in FW cards are always more than happy to stop a fight as long as there's at least a 2 punch combo. That particular aspect is now so bad Americans mock us because of it.

But it's not hard to find a good fight. Rios vs Alvarado was easily becoming the new Gatti vs Ward until the ref stopped it (needlessly imho).

You need good fighters to follow? You can't beat Mares and Matthyse.


Do not get me started on that muppet Flintoff.
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Old 24-11-2012, 17:18
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anyone watching hatton tonight - how do you think it will go?
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Old 25-11-2012, 02:01
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Hatton fought like a club fighter. Against B+ opposition he wouldn't have lasted the 1st round.
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Old 25-11-2012, 02:30
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The sport is dead due in part to ppv and no terrestial coverage. Forget shows like the contender who get boys in long trousers to fight each other.

I'm so fed up that I've taken to youtube to watch the fights that made me fall in love with boxing in the first place.
Do you recall Julian "the hawk" Jackson, Mike "the bodysnatcher" McCallum, a young James "lights out" Toney, Marvellous Marvin Hagler, Big George Foreman (the Ron Lyle
slugfest springs to mind) and the fallen god that was Gerald McClellan.

Boxing has always gone through rough patches. Right now the heavyweight, CW, LH divisions are in crisis while the super middleweight and welterweight divisions are flush with talent. For the poster who remarked Carl Froch isn't recognised or appreciated, I would say his fight are covered by the mainstream press and should he get revenge on Kessler in 2013 you'll see just how household his name has become.
Yes, the lack of terrestrial coverage and PPV has certainly played a part in killing the game, but there's more to it than that.

I have Sky, so I get to see the fights (if you can call them that ) and most cards are just a succession of mismatches that are about as entertaining as watching paint dry. Promoters like Eddie Hearn don't even try and make a card interesting. The Froch card last week was a joke, as are most of his shows. I thought I was going to slip into a boredom induced coma during the Bellew borefest.

Politics, multiple title belts, promoters and TV channels have done the most damage. We are in a position now where the best fighters all avoid each other and go almost their entire career without facing one credible opponent. The "superfights" are now so infrequent and when they do happen, one of the boxers involved is generally past their best and only in it for the money. In fact, the whole sport is about little else than money.

The heavyweight division, which is the flagship division, has been dead for years now and shows no sign of improving. The crazy thing is that there are no decent black American heavyweights, which would have been unthinkable 10 or 15 years ago. It seems even they have been turned off the sport.

It's tragic to think that it's not that long ago that we were getting to see a peak Mike Tyson tearing the division apart and now all we have are the dull as shit Klit brothers boring the pants off us.

Yes, I remember all the great fighters from way back when and boxing used to be my favourite sport, but it's little more than a farce now unfortunately.

The Benn v McClellan fight is one of the best fights I've ever seen. In fact, when that fight was made, that was the most excited I have ever been about a fight. It had classic written all over it and lived up to everyone's expectations. It's tragic that it had such a terrible outcome. Can you imagine what a rematch would have been like?
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Old 25-11-2012, 04:36
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Old 25-11-2012, 04:45
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That was the best fight i've seen since Gatti vs Ward I.
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Old 25-11-2012, 11:06
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that was one of the best of all time
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Old 25-11-2012, 15:31
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Yes, the lack of terrestrial coverage and PPV has certainly played a part in killing the game, but there's more to it than that.

I have Sky, so I get to see the fights (if you can call them that ) and most cards are just a succession of mismatches that are about as entertaining as watching paint dry. Promoters like Eddie Hearn don't even try and make a card interesting. The Froch card last week was a joke, as are most of his shows. I thought I was going to slip into a boredom induced coma during the Bellew borefest.

Politics, multiple title belts, promoters and TV channels have done the most damage. We are in a position now where the best fighters all avoid each other and go almost their entire career without facing one credible opponent. The "superfights" are now so infrequent and when they do happen, one of the boxers involved is generally past their best and only in it for the money. In fact, the whole sport is about little else than money.

The heavyweight division, which is the flagship division, has been dead for years now and shows no sign of improving. The crazy thing is that there are no decent black American heavyweights, which would have been unthinkable 10 or 15 years ago. It seems even they have been turned off the sport.

It's tragic to think that it's not that long ago that we were getting to see a peak Mike Tyson tearing the division apart and now all we have are the dull as shit Klit brothers boring the pants off us.

Yes, I remember all the great fighters from way back when and boxing used to be my favourite sport, but it's little more than a farce now unfortunately.

The Benn v McClellan fight is one of the best fights I've ever seen. In fact, when that fight was made, that was the most excited I have ever been about a fight. It had classic written all over it and lived up to everyone's expectations. It's tragic that it had such a terrible outcome. Can you imagine what a rematch would have been like?
I actually have no idea what you are going on about. You're rant is ill informed and ill-timed.

What are you talking about when you say fighters are ducking each other? Do you care to give any names? In the past 2 years in this country the best in each division have fought each other, that has been a fact. There has been;

Bellew vs Cleverley
Haye vs Chisora
Burns vs Mitchell
Mitchell vs Murray
Degale vs Groves

In world boxing the best have fought the best. Everyone said Bute was a hometown coward too much in his comfort zone to 1)fight anyone of any note and 2)Do it away from home. So he went to Nottingham to fight Froch. Sure, he got absolutely pummelled, but it was the best fighting the perceived best.

You have Andre Ward who has fought anyone he has to fight in his division and beat them all. He now has to look elsewhere to get a fight because he is too good.

You have Sergio Martinez taking on anyone and fighting a blown up super middleweight in JCCjnr.

There was Alexander vs Bradley, a battle of unbeaten American prospects. The fight stunk because of Alexander, but it was the perceived best fighting the best.

You had the hardest man in boxing in Maidana taking on the glass jaw of Khan.

You have Nonito Donaire willing to fight anyone and everyone. The next big fight would be Mares vs Donaire (I won't mention that Mares has just fought the one of the best in his weight division).

In the 'lower' divisions everyone is fighting everyone. The only person not willing to fight is Mayweather. Does one man define a sport?

No.

I could go on and on giving examples blowing your myth apart.

I also have no idea where you got this idea where the heavyweight division is the flagship division. This is usually what teary eyed reminiscents say. To me, it has never been the flagship division.

The flagship divisions for me have always been lightweight and welterweight, defined by the Four Kings era. Those 2 divisions have always produced the most amount of ATG fighters. You try and name ATG heavyweight fighters and you are looking at around 10, lightweights and WWs double that easily.
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Old 25-11-2012, 16:11
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Hatton fought like a club fighter. Against B+ opposition he wouldn't have lasted the 1st round.
Very true.

Hatton is the oldest 34 year old I've seen; facially he looks in his 40s & sadly, he now fights like someone 50+.

He has abused his body & given even more to the fight game & he just needs to quit for good now.
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Old 25-11-2012, 23:57
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I actually have no idea what you are going on about. You're rant is ill informed and ill-timed.

What are you talking about when you say fighters are ducking each other? Do you care to give any names? In the past 2 years in this country the best in each division have fought each other, that has been a fact. There has been;

Bellew vs Cleverley
Haye vs Chisora
Burns vs Mitchell
Mitchell vs Murray
Degale vs Groves

In world boxing the best have fought the best. Everyone said Bute was a hometown coward too much in his comfort zone to 1)fight anyone of any note and 2)Do it away from home. So he went to Nottingham to fight Froch. Sure, he got absolutely pummelled, but it was the best fighting the perceived best.

You have Andre Ward who has fought anyone he has to fight in his division and beat them all. He now has to look elsewhere to get a fight because he is too good.

You have Sergio Martinez taking on anyone and fighting a blown up super middleweight in JCCjnr.

There was Alexander vs Bradley, a battle of unbeaten American prospects. The fight stunk because of Alexander, but it was the perceived best fighting the best.

You had the hardest man in boxing in Maidana taking on the glass jaw of Khan.

You have Nonito Donaire willing to fight anyone and everyone. The next big fight would be Mares vs Donaire (I won't mention that Mares has just fought the one of the best in his weight division).

In the 'lower' divisions everyone is fighting everyone. The only person not willing to fight is Mayweather. Does one man define a sport?

No.

I could go on and on giving examples blowing your myth apart.

I also have no idea where you got this idea where the heavyweight division is the flagship division. This is usually what teary eyed reminiscents say. To me, it has never been the flagship division.

The flagship divisions for me have always been lightweight and welterweight, defined by the Four Kings era. Those 2 divisions have always produced the most amount of ATG fighters. You try and name ATG heavyweight fighters and you are looking at around 10, lightweights and WWs double that easily.
I stopped taking your post seriously when you mentioned Haye v Chisora.

Give me a break.
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Old 26-11-2012, 01:23
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Old 27-11-2012, 00:38
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Before the Hatton fight i heard a few 'experts' talk about Ray Leonard coming back to beat Hagler and how great Leonard was, and it makes me wonder if they've ever seen that fight.

Yes, at his peak he was truly brilliant but against Hagler he was bloody awful, and Hagler was just as poor.

Both were as slow as snails, getting hit with shots that would never have got close to them when they were at their peaks.
Neither had anything on their punches.
Leonard was blowing hard after 4 rounds and basically conned and show boated his way thru the fight to get an undeserved win.
A bore draw would have been a fairer result.
At least Hagler had the good sense to quit after that.
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Old 27-11-2012, 12:49
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is this flintoff fight on saturday serious?or will he win for his docu?is the guy hes fighting halfway decent? and if so his odds are really good
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Old 28-11-2012, 17:39
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Hatton proved himself when he left Frank Warren in search of greatness. He could have easily stayed in manchester and fought durable though beatable opponents and lined his pockets. Instead he chose to test himself against the elite over two weight classes.

Malignaggi was right in saying that no one would have thought any less of him for taking a tune up fight. With all the rust he exhibited during the fight, Hatton still had quite a bit of success against Senchenko. You got to wonder if the script would've played out differently if Hatton hadn't opted to jump in at the deep end of the division in his first fight back.
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Old 28-11-2012, 18:16
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Before the Hatton fight i heard a few 'experts' talk about Ray Leonard coming back to beat Hagler and how great Leonard was, and it makes me wonder if they've ever seen that fight.

Yes, at his peak he was truly brilliant but against Hagler he was bloody awful, and Hagler was just as poor.

Both were as slow as snails, getting hit with shots that would never have got close to them when they were at their peaks.
Neither had anything on their punches.
Leonard was blowing hard after 4 rounds and basically conned and show boated his way thru the fight to get an undeserved win.
A bore draw would have been a fairer result.
At least Hagler had the good sense to quit after that.
I agree with some of what you say about Leonard -v- Hagler.

It was indeed an overhyped fight that is really only remembered because of the 2 celebrated pugilists & the circumstances of the fight.

Had it been between two lesser known fighters, everyone would have forgotten about it by April 7th 1987.

Hagler was as slow as am arthritic slug, but to be fair to him, he'd lost his speed long before 1987. Just look at how slow he was against Mugabi in '86 & Hearns in '85.

Leonard, on the other hand, was still pretty quick.

OK, he wasn't the blistering speedster of his welterweight prime 5 - 8 years before, but he wa still fast & way quicker than the sloth like Hagler of the time.
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Old 01-12-2012, 21:02
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Fury fighting tonight on C5. Show starting now, guess the Fury fight will be not long after 10'ish.

Johnson has never been stopped before either, even against Klitschko.
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