Didn't people say that about Canelo?

Khan might have great speed but he throws with his chin exposed. Mayweather is one of the all time great counter punchers and would have Khan in big trouble with his style.

The fight would be over in 5-6 rounds, with Khan going out fast fort couple of rounds, Mayweather would block most of the shots and hit him with a few jabs. Then he would move in for the kill when Khan goes for a combo.

Khan has been rocked plenty of times in the past and has suspect defence, what makes you think he could stop Mayweather connecting?

Didn't forget (although I wish I could ), I was only using the WBA as an example, the WBC are bad as well though. The Silver and Diamond titles are two are the most awful creations in boxing. As if calling them 'Silver' makes people care more about interim titles :sleep:. The description of the WBC diamond title:

"This belt was created as an honorary championship exclusively to award the winner of a historic fight between two high-profile and elite boxers."

Translation - "We created this garbage to make the Pacquiao-Cotto fight seem more important."

The amount of variations of a World Title is a joke. There should be only 1 world champ in each division.

Will never happen though, far too many people involved for that to happen.

If more people actually alled boxing out for the fraud that it is, (as how else really can it be described?) in the mainstream media, and stopped calling quite so many fights "Title fights", and just called them "fights", then perhaps it might just hurt the promoters enough to actually do something about it.

The numbers of belts just do far more harm than good, how does anyone not with an intricate knowledge of the sport know just who is good and who is not, when they see nearly everyone with a belt?

It just makes no sense at all, and is bad for business not good for it.

If everyone is a champion, just how do you go about seperating the really special, from just the plain bloody ordinary?

Boxing is just a mess plain and simple, and until someone, or a group of people (say the braodcasters from the USA and elsewhere) force the people in charge of the belts to change and drop most of them, then this will not only continue, but I believe the mess might get worse, with new belts added, just to big up more fighters that don't deserve it.


It really shouldn't be that hard a concept, you get a belt when you have earned it, by beating someone who was the best in their division, you shouldn't get one handed to you, or made just because it is an exciting fight. Those sort of belts should be thrown in the tip where they belong, as they are worthless, and meaningless.

If there was an easy way to see who was the best in each weight category, wouldn't that benefit the sport as a whole??
Everyone would benefit, the boxers themselves, as they would know where they stand in terms of how good they are, the tv companies themselves, as they would know which fight truly was a World Title fight, and the fans, as they would be able to follow the sport and know just who actually was the best, and not have to make a guess, or use complicated mathmatical formulae.

But since when did people in boxing ever want what is best for the sport as a whole??

To be fair to HBO, they place very little value on belts and only really mention them in passing. This country however is one of the worst for it - take Scott Quigg for example, with Sky telling us he's the WBA world champion, when in reality he's got the "world" belt and Guillermo Rigondeaux is the "super world" (read: actual) champion.

Is that you Virgil?

Spot on.

With the current situation, we end up with fighters like Nathan Cleverly for example.

I know he's not the first & he won't be the last, but his scenario is what is wrong with the sport.

He had the WBO 'world title' around his waist for a couple of years & he'd been swanning around thinking he was a champion at the top of his game.

He'd been spoon fed sub standard challengers & seen them off.

He then takes on an actual world class fighter & gets pulverised.

Nathan's problem is because he was given a trinket too early & as a consequence, he never learnt his trade & his whole career could now be derailed because of it.

The Ring magazine's ratings used to be a pretty good thing to go by, but even they can't be trusted anymore since Goldenboy bought it

Don't the Ring magazine have some form of belt that they claim has some form of significance?

I used to really like boxing when I was younger, but as I got older and saw that the people who I thought were the best, (because they had a belt), were not actually the best, that is when my interest in it, first started to go downhill.

Why make a sport far more complicated than it needs to be?

What are the advantages in turning people away from the sport? Surely, you want to have as many people interested in the sport as possible?

All of these Silver, Diamond, Intercontenental, Commonwealth, etc belts need to be stopped, and just have nantional champions, then, World Champions, it really is not that hard a concept to understand.

would it really force the best to fight the best??

promoters would still be exactly as they are now. Take Bob Arum for example and Top Rank. He literally keeps all his champions fighting top rank fighters as he refuses to work with goldenboy promotions.

Having 1 belt wouldn't make any difference in this regard. you could instead end up with 1 promoter having total control of champion and challengers.

Also too much doom and gloom in here about boxing. Boxing in general is doing fine at the moment. The big fights are happening!

PPV numbers are good and fans are happy.

Of course the best would fight the best.

They all want to be world champion and if only 1 in each division could be champion they would have no choice but to fight the best.

The way things are set up now they just go after the weakest champ.

Boxing is in a very good place with some outstanding fighters. It's just the stuff that goes on outside the ring that is a problem for me.

Yeah, it used to be that it was the most genuine as it was only awarded to the lineal champion and you could only win it by defeating the champion or, if there was no champion, the 1 and 2 ranked boxers fighting each other. But as with the rankings, once Oscar and his cronies got involved they changed the rules for it and it's become worthless.

Yup. Exactly that. Didn't they try and make it look like De La Hoya wasn't involved when he was left off the list for great Olympians? With a bit of back and forward over twitter.

The independent mags are better now, but plenty have influence from promoters which ruin it for me.

Thanks for that info, it is just so typical that boxing politics has even entered the media publications, (although not a great surprise though).

It just shows what a mess things are in, if you cannot even get an agreed upon set if rankings!

How can a sport call itself one, when it has things going on like that?

As long as the best keep fighting the best i'm happy. And that is what has happened this year, the best has fought the best. It's a pretty bad time to try and jab boxing.

This year has been good I agree, but with the dispute between Top Rank and Golden Boy, we will miss out on some huge fights.

Did anyone see Ringside? The Froch Groves stuff was incredible. Really made me wish the fight was this weekend. If you havnt seen it yet, have a look. Well worth it.

Really unbelievable animosity between Froch and Groves... Incredible cockiness and confidence by Groves and definitely got to Froch. All things being equal they shouldnt even be in the same ring, but Groves confidence and winding up of Froch made it actually uncomfortable viewing!

Don't get the argument that Groves doesn't deserve it. Ranked top 3 with 3 of the governing bodies and 5 with the IBF. But the others above him on the IBF list either didn't want Froch or had a fight lined up.

Groves is doing what Froch did to Calzaghe for years. Except Froch is not handling it well.

Groves is looking to get Froch uncomfortable and so far it's working.

When the fight was made I was unsure. The closer it's getting to fight night the more I cannot split them.

Genuine 50/50 fight in my opinion.

"I'm gonna KO Froch"

It's gonna be glorious when Froch tears through Groves.

Yep, agreed. So hope Froch gives the cocky Groves a good hiding.

Another impressive win for Gennady Golovkin.

He is certainly the real deal & there is talk of him possibly fighting Mayweather Jr,

I can't see it, as it would be a tough ask for both men.

It might too much to ask Mayweather Jr to go up to middleweight, especially to face such a ferocious 160 lber, or to ask Golovkin to drop to light middle and possibly be drained & get dazzled by Mayweather Jr, but who knows, as money certainly does talk.

Would be a good fight but can't see it happening. As you say too much of a gap in weight and at this stage can't see Mayweather moving that far for someone who isn't that well known in America.

Hopkins maybe, Martinez maybe but not GGG.

HBO have been looking to push a fight between Golovkin and Froch next up, would love to see that fight. Can only see it happening though if GGG doesn't get the fight he wants with either Quillin or Martinez.

Golovkin did name Martinez as the opponent he specifically wanted after the fight but I can see Sergio avoiding GGG like the plague for now at least and deciding that a fight with Cotto or Canelo presents less risk, more reward. Interesting to see how it develops.

Canelo vs GGG would be a good fight. GGG can call out all the opponents he wants, not many will want to fight him.

Martinez, in my opinion will have no interest in the fight, not will Quillin both who are easily beaten by GGG IMO.

There are some big fights in the Super Middle division for him, Froch, Ward, Groves if he beats Froch.

The one thing in my opinion that will hurt GGG is his power. Not too many will want to face him, and to be honest I can't blame them.

If FMJ wants a catchweight to fight the 154 champion, there's no way he's going to fight the 160 champ in GGG. Martinez would be the most likely to burn himself down to a catchweight, but it would give FMJ a major advantage.

Quillin is a GBP fighter so will only fight on Showtime (it is now so silly that Stevens nickname was changed from 'Showtime' to 'It's my time' lol), seen as GGG is HBO's new lovechild they will move heaven and earth to keep him there.

That leaves the likes of Ward, Froch etc. Ward so far in his career has been very hard to negotiate with, to the point of being stubborn. If it isn't in Oakland he will demand the universe, anything less and he won't do it.

Froch is game to do anything, if he fought GGG you would have to say he has the best CV in boxing in the last 10 years.

I can see a possible route of if Barker beats Sturm, he will face GGG to raise the profile of GGG in the UK for a future fight with Froch.