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robborocks
14-12-2014
Some cracking fights so far on the Khan undercard.

Keith Thurman fighting now and is putting in a very lazy performance and getting booed.

Can see Khan winning in 6
Brian_Bourdon
14-12-2014
Originally Posted by robborocks:
“Some cracking fights so far on the Khan undercard.

Keith Thurman fighting now and is putting in a very lazy performance and getting booed.

Can see Khan winning in 6”

Agree. Undercard was flying along until this bore fest. Thought it was all going to be over by 8.45pm. Keep Mrs happy by putting a film on for her before bedtime (she hates boxing, lol)
Brian_Bourdon
14-12-2014
Here we go. Come on Khan.
Vidic
14-12-2014
Khan absolutely schooled Alexander. 11/12 rounds won. Remarkable.

Bring on the aging Mayweather.

Lot of upset faces in the UK tonight.
Jefferson
14-12-2014
Even the Khan hate mobs must admit that was a cracking performance. You really have to admire him.

It was "interesting" how the experts went so cold on Thurman - he was very impressive and won every round.
Sam_Clarke1
14-12-2014
Very impressive from Khan. Hope , if he gets the Mayweather fight, he fights the same way and doesn't get caught in the hype
Would have a major chance if so
Daniel_Gleeball
14-12-2014
I think if Khan fought Mayweather it would be a really boring fight. They would just tap each other on the chin and retreat. You would come away thinking you saw more physical Morris dances than than that fight.
Jefferson
14-12-2014
Originally Posted by Daniel_Gleeball:
“I think if Khan fought Mayweather it would be a really boring fight. They would just tap each other on the chin and retreat. You would come away thinking you saw more physical Morris dances than than that fight.”

It would certainly be a very absorbing fight. I've never seen Khan not looking to inflict damage - including the one today when he was looking to take his head off.
Daniel_Gleeball
14-12-2014
Originally Posted by Jefferson:
“It would certainly be a very absorbing fight. I've never seen Khan not looking to inflict damage - including the one today when he was looking to take his head off.”

The only way a Khan v Mayweather fight can have any excitement will be with Khan 3 rounds a head and Mayweather having to knock him out to win. That would be something I would pay to see. Mayweather is the master of doing enough to win showing oodles of class but being extremely cautious. He fights to win each round and then maybe Knocks you out in the later rounds when you have to throw caution to the wind. He is technically speaking probably one of the best fighters the world has ever seen, but certainly not one of the most exciting.
kobashi100
14-12-2014
If khan doesn't get the Floyd fight then will he fight brook or just be inactive waiting for the winner of Floyd vs pacman.

Honestly don't see how he can avoid the brook fight if Mayweather is not on the table

Kell vs amir is the biggest fight out there for khan minus Floyd or pacquiao.
Jimmy_McNulty
14-12-2014
Khan doesn't have the fanbase to make a fight with Mayweather logical, the risk/reward is way too heavily weighted towards risk. There's a very good reason why Mayweather mostly faces South Americans. Only way that fight happens is if it's at Wembley, and that is unlikely to happen with Showtime's contract.

Khan should be looking at fighting Garcia again or Brook. Brook> Garcia> Mayweather. Not Molina> Diaz> Collazo> Alexander> Mayweather.

Khan can bleat on all he wants, physical maturity is inferior to marketability when it comes to making fights. He's ducked Brook enough times for this very reason.

Originally Posted by Daniel_Gleeball:
“I think if Khan fought Mayweather it would be a really boring fight. They would just tap each other on the chin and retreat. You would come away thinking you saw more physical Morris dances than than that fight.”

You must be new to boksing, welcome.
Makosi's pants
14-12-2014
Originally Posted by kobashi100:
“If khan doesn't get the Floyd fight then will he fight brook or just be inactive waiting for the winner of Floyd vs pacman.

Honestly don't see how he can avoid the brook fight if Mayweather is not on the table

Kell vs amir is the biggest fight out there for khan minus Floyd or pacquiao.”

Agreed. Hearn reckons Brook V Khan could fill wembley and with a good build up, he might be right.

Didn't see the fight but it's good to hear than Khan put on a decent performance. he needed too. Also, I don't think Khan is hated exactly, more that he's still sufferring from the early career overhype. He's definitely no flop and his fights tend to be exciting.
Styker
14-12-2014
Well done Amir Khan, good performance.

I really don't like the way Virgil Hunter treats Amir Khan though. He shouts at him, he comes across to me to be a bit of a primadonna in general and he stands outside the ring instead of being inside thr ring in between rounds face to face with Amir and he gets upset if Amir doesn't look at him! Does he do this to Andre Ward? If not then Amir should put his foot down with him and if necessary get another trainer, I don't think Khan needs him that much and there must be other top trainers around. What about Roy Jones's former trainer for starters?

Btw, any of you ever used to post on the Boxing Monthly Forum? If so when, what years did you used to post there?
Daniel_Gleeball
14-12-2014
Originally Posted by Jimmy_McNulty:
“Khan doesn't have the fanbase to make a fight with Mayweather logical, the risk/reward is way too heavily weighted towards risk. There's a very good reason why Mayweather mostly faces South Americans. Only way that fight happens is if it's at Wembley, and that is unlikely to happen with Showtime's contract.

Khan should be looking at fighting Garcia again or Brook. Brook> Garcia> Mayweather. Not Molina> Diaz> Collazo> Alexander> Mayweather.

Khan can bleat on all he wants, physical maturity is inferior to marketability when it comes to making fights. He's ducked Brook enough times for this very reason.



You must be new to boksing, welcome.”



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If you were simply just welcoming me to the thread than many thanks .
Brian_Bourdon
14-12-2014
The problem with boxing these days is that fighters like Mayweather and Pacqiou are franchises. Neither want to sully their brand by being beaten by the other. They're both rich enough to avoid this fight and let the critics/fans argue over who would have won without risking the respective reputations.

In the past fighters wanted to prove themselves, today it's protect the brand at all costs.

Khan could fight brook but it would be a Brit eccentric fight with little interest in the US and Khan has fought to hard to get noticed in the US to be possibly derailed for a UKcentric match up. Brook is basically in the position that Khan used to be in, big at home but watching from the sidelines internationally.
taurus_67
14-12-2014
It was a fine win for Khan and it will hopefully get him another big fight. I always thought he should've fought Alexander a few years ago when they both had titles, but I suppose the politics and the money were never right. I wonder if the IBF will give Khan a rating now?
Daniel_Gleeball
14-12-2014
Originally Posted by Brian_Bourdon:
“The problem with boxing these days is that fighters like Mayweather and Pacqiou are franchises. Neither want to sully their brand by being beaten by the other. They're both rich enough to avoid this fight and let the critics/fans argue over who would have won without risking the respective reputations.

In the past fighters wanted to prove themselves, today it's protect the brand at all costs.

Khan could fight brook but it would be a Brit eccentric fight with little interest in the US and Khan has fought to hard to get noticed in the US to be possibly derailed for a UKcentric match up. Brook is basically in the position that Khan used to be in, big at home but watching from the sidelines internationally.”

There is nothing new in that, Roy Jones always refused to fight Steve Collins claiming he was not box office. Truth being told he knew he could lose and cost him money in the long term. Collins in turn did everything he could to avoid Calzage. As you said they were protecting their brand. It's a real shame
dazc
14-12-2014
great win for khan hope he fights mayweather think he could win
kobashi100
14-12-2014
Originally Posted by Brian_Bourdon:
“The problem with boxing these days is that fighters like Mayweather and Pacqiou are franchises. Neither want to sully their brand by being beaten by the other. They're both rich enough to avoid this fight and let the critics/fans argue over who would have won without risking the respective reputations.

In the past fighters wanted to prove themselves, today it's protect the brand at all costs.

Khan could fight brook but it would be a Brit eccentric fight with little interest in the US and Khan has fought to hard to get noticed in the US to be possibly derailed for a UKcentric match up. Brook is basically in the position that Khan used to be in, big at home but watching from the sidelines internationally.”

Yes the brook fight is a UK eccentric fight but please give me another opponent for khan if he doesnt get Floyd.

There isn't a big fight at 147 for him. Do you think he shouldn't fight brook and instead just be inactive or fight some average fighter to tick him over waiting for Floyd or manny to call.

Sorry but if he turns down brook even though Mayweather is not on the table then he should be called out for it.

Brook vs khan is a huge fight. Makes a ton of money and draws big crowds.
Styker
15-12-2014
Originally Posted by kobashi100:
“Yes the brook fight is a UK eccentric fight but please give me another opponent for khan if he doesnt get Floyd.

There isn't a big fight at 147 for him. Do you think he shouldn't fight brook and instead just be inactive or fight some average fighter to tick him over waiting for Floyd or manny to call.

Sorry but if he turns down brook even though Mayweather is not on the table then he should be called out for it.

Brook vs khan is a huge fight. Makes a ton of money and draws big crowds.”

Didn't Amir say he wouldn't fight for the IBF Belt again after the IBF didn't strip Lamont Peterson of their belt after he beat Khan but the WBA did? Or has Khan changed his mind on that?

I think Khan should stick to his original stance. Imo and memeory, the IBF often throws a spanner in the works when it comes to British fighters. They did it with Naseem Hamed, they said they wouldn't sanction a unified fight between Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield in 1994, they wanted Michael Moorer to have the fight even though Moorer was willing to stand aside so the belts could be unified.

Surely there are other decent fighters out there other than Mayweather and Pacquiao? Timothy Bradley perhaps?
Styker
15-12-2014
Originally Posted by robborocks:
“Some cracking fights so far on the Khan undercard.

Keith Thurman fighting now and is putting in a very lazy performance and getting booed
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Can see Khan winning in 6”


What do people think of Keith Thurman? It was the first time I saw him fight. I think he has some power but has he got enough? He couldn't put away a 40 year old guy either though that guy was very tough and big for a welterweight.
Brian_Bourdon
15-12-2014
Originally Posted by Daniel_Gleeball:
“There is nothing new in that, Roy Jones always refused to fight Steve Collins claiming he was not box office. Truth being told he knew he could lose and cost him money in the long term. Collins in turn did everything he could to avoid Calzage. As you said they were protecting their brand. It's a real shame”

Back in the mid 80s Mike Tyson set out to fight every title holder to prove he was the best. At the time there was no end of dead wood around and he brought real credibility to the heavyweight division.

In an ideal world there'd be a unified fight body and one champion, but that's never going to happen.

Kobashi I'd love to see Khan fight Brook. It'd be a great undercard match on a Showtime PPV but I doubt it'll happen soon.
Brian_Bourdon
15-12-2014
Originally Posted by Styker:
“What do people think of Keith Thurman? It was the first time I saw him fight. I think he has some power but has he got enough? He couldn't put away a 40 year old guy either though that guy was very tough and big for a welterweight.”

I was hoping the 40 year old was going to pull a shock out in that one. Thurman looked like a journeyman. I had to laugh when Thurman's trainer told him he was fighting an old man. Piss poor performance.


The two Mexicans fighting earlier in the undercard were fantastic. Would loved to have seen a couple more rounds of that.
Styker
15-12-2014
Originally Posted by Brian_Bourdon:
“I was hoping the 40 year old was going to pull a shock out in that one. Thurman looked like a journeyman. I had to laugh when Thurman's trainer told him he was fighting an old man. Piss poor performance.


The two Mexicans fighting earlier in the undercard were fantastic. Would loved to have seen a couple more rounds of that.”

That Bundhu or whatever his name was put Thurman under some pressure I thought from round 8 and Thurman looked pretty bothered as if he had already fired off his best shots and didn't have much more ooommmphh to fire back.

Whichever big name fighter fights Thurman in the future should bare that aspect in mind.
Jefferson
15-12-2014
Originally Posted by Jimmy_McNulty:
“Khan doesn't have the fanbase to make a fight with Mayweather logical, the risk/reward is way too heavily weighted towards risk. There's a very good reason why Mayweather mostly faces South Americans. Only way that fight happens is if it's at Wembley, and that is unlikely to happen with Showtime's contract.

Khan should be looking at fighting Garcia again or Brook. Brook> Garcia> Mayweather. Not Molina> Diaz> Collazo> Alexander> Mayweather.

Khan can bleat on all he wants, physical maturity is inferior to marketability when it comes to making fights. He's ducked Brook enough times for this very reason.



You must be new to boksing, welcome.”

Moneybags certainly does seem scared of meeting Khan.
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