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I don't see how Mayweather v Khan fight could be exciting. It would be very skilful but a very cautious affair. They say styles make fights . For me a match up between two finesse boxers is not entertaining. I suppose it would be a fight for the purist. Unfortunately I'm not one.
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Khan is the type of boxer who can cause many problems for Floyd..
The funny thing is even though Khan poses a serious threat to Floyd, he'd have a hard time with a lesser boxer such as Brook..why do you ask? simple answer "Styles", every boxer has his kryptonite..Khans happens to be orthodox pressure fighters ..Petterson, Garcia, Diaz etc...Boxers who turn it into a dog fight. Even though Khan was outboxing these guys, they were always there, just waiting, and waiting to make his life hell Khan looks amazing against slick technical boxers, they give him room to do his thing, thats why Floyd will have many manyyyy problems with Khan, unless he can land something big Khan is a dangerous fighter and a huge task for anyone, very difficult to fight, because of his range and speed. When Khan fights to a gameplan, he looks unbeatable I like the kid, he'd a credit to the sport and it takes a lot of heart to come back from losses and win. I hope he lands the Floyd fight, i really feel Floyd will lose his 0 |
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Pacquiao v Mayweather
That will be fight of the century if it happens, and from all accounts it's only Mayweather's greed, ego and cowardice that is stopping it from happening. Pacquiao is probably the fighter of the century, and I think he'd beat Mayweather.
Khan? He's not even a world champion, and I think Kell Brook would beat him. He can't run from opponents forever when he's in the ring, and any fighter with a big punch would potentially knock him out once they got close. He's still got very suspect punch resistance. The only way Mayweather would fight Khan is if he's convinced he'd beat him. Joe Calzaghe fought all comers to get his perfect record, while Mayweather has dodged too many opponents to be called a great. |
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That will be fight of the century if it happens, and from all accounts it's only Mayweather's greed, ego and cowardice that is stopping it from happening. Pacquiao is probably the fighter of the century, and I think he'd beat Mayweather.
Khan? He's not even a world champion, and I think Kell Brook would beat him. He can't run from opponents forever when he's in the ring, and any fighter with a big punch would potentially knock him out once they got close. He's still got very suspect punch resistance. The only way Mayweather would fight Khan is if he's convinced he'd beat him. Joe Calzaghe fought all comers to get his perfect record, while Mayweather has dodged too many opponents to be called a great. some people believe everything that bob arum says. its crazy how he has fooled boxing fans by putting the blame all on floyd. and this talk of floyd avoiding fighters is laughable. |
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That will be fight of the century if it happens, and from all accounts it's only Mayweather's greed, ego and cowardice that is stopping it from happening. Pacquiao is probably the fighter of the century, and I think he'd beat Mayweather.
Khan? He's not even a world champion, and I think Kell Brook would beat him. He can't run from opponents forever when he's in the ring, and any fighter with a big punch would potentially knock him out once they got close. He's still got very suspect punch resistance. The only way Mayweather would fight Khan is if he's convinced he'd beat him. Joe Calzaghe fought all comers to get his perfect record, while Mayweather has dodged too many opponents to be called a great. Mayweather fought Gatti, De La Hoya, Hatton, Alvarez, and Shane Mosely to name just a few. I personally think he is one of the all time greats. Don't get me wrong he is a safety first boxer but he has all the skills. |
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That will be fight of the century if it happens, and from all accounts it's only Mayweather's greed, ego and cowardice that is stopping it from happening. Pacquiao is probably the fighter of the century, and I think he'd beat Mayweather.
Khan? He's not even a world champion, and I think Kell Brook would beat him. He can't run from opponents forever when he's in the ring, and any fighter with a big punch would potentially knock him out once they got close. He's still got very suspect punch resistance. The only way Mayweather would fight Khan is if he's convinced he'd beat him. Joe Calzaghe fought all comers to get his perfect record, while Mayweather has dodged too many opponents to be called a great. |
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Mayweather -v- Pacqiuao might have been FOTC had it happened in 2008/9, when it should have, but if it happens in 2015, it will be a battle between 2 past their prime ATGs.
Have to add to the chorus of disapproval re the post about Floyd being a dodger. He only dodges boxer in the ring. If I were him though, I'd rather fight Pac than Khan. Both can potentially beat Floyd and he'll make a lot more money fighting Manny. |
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Mayweather excuses
Most people in the word of boxing think that Mayweather is dodging Pacquiao. I'm not alone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkigEfHmzh0 http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mayweat...0467--box.html http://www.interaksyon.com/interaktv...for-more-money Mayweather admits he's been dodging Pacquaio. He's running scared. The all time greats of boxing were come forward, take on all comers fighters, not defensive boxers. Mayweather is not an all time great. |
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Most people in the word of boxing think that Mayweather is dodging Pacquiao. I'm not alone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkigEfHmzh0 http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mayweat...0467--box.html http://www.interaksyon.com/interaktv...for-more-money Mayweather admits he's been dodging Pacquaio. He's running scared. The all time greats of boxing were come forward, take on all comers fighters, not defensive boxers. Mayweather is not an all time great. |
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I'm sorry I don't understand. Apart from Paquio who has he avoided.? I think Manny avoided him more. Why did he not just take the drug test.?
Mayweather fought Gatti, De La Hoya, Hatton, Alvarez, and Shane Mosely to name just a few. I personally think he is one of the all time greats. Don't get me wrong he is a safety first boxer but he has all the skills. |
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Agree he hasn't avoided anyone and why would he when he would most likely beat them, all this talk about him fighting khan, what has khan done at this stage to warrant that fight? Also considering their styles I really can't see it being a very good fight anyway to be honest and I think mayweather probably win it on points.
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Most people in the word of boxing think that Mayweather is dodging Pacquiao. I'm not alone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkigEfHmzh0 http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mayweat...0467--box.html http://www.interaksyon.com/interaktv...for-more-money Mayweather admits he's been dodging Pacquaio. He's running scared. The all time greats of boxing were come forward, take on all comers fighters, not defensive boxers. Mayweather is not an all time great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LZtiuZzrb0 In which Juan Marquez, who fought both fighters says that he reckons Manny punches harder but Mayweather would win the fight. The clip also shows why Manny is a much more negaging and likeable personality than Pretty boy will ever be, but that's another story. Quote:
You can be a defensive genius & a genuine ATG; I refer you to Benny Leonard, Willie Pep & Pernell Whitaker to name but three.
![]() PS Whatever happened to the word "counterpuncher" by the way? "Defensive fighter" makes it sound like all the guy does is bob, weave and run.... |
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You may not like the bloke, but don't deny the evidence of your own eyes. Or failing that, I see your three links and raise you just one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LZtiuZzrb0 In which Juan Marquez, who fought both fighters says that he reckons Manny punches harder but Mayweather would win the fight. The clip also shows why Manny is a much more negaging and likeable personality than Pretty boy will ever be, but that's another story. Yep. Probably could put james Toney (at his peak) in there as well. As for an ATG having to be an offensive fighter; Ali V Foreman anyone? No doubt Tip top will say Ali's ribcage was attacking Foreman's fists... ![]() PS Whatever happened to the word "counterpuncher" by the way? "Defensive fighter" makes it sound like all the guy does is bob, weave and run.... I agree totally with you. Manny may punch harder, may be the more likeable guy, but Floyd is my opinion a better boxer. His record speaks for itself. He always finds a way to win even if can be liking watching paint dry at times. |
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Citizen Khan would have more chance
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That will be fight of the century if it happens, and from all accounts it's only Mayweather's greed, ego and cowardice that is stopping it from happening. Pacquiao is probably the fighter of the century, and I think he'd beat Mayweather.
Khan? He's not even a world champion, and I think Kell Brook would beat him. He can't run from opponents forever when he's in the ring, and any fighter with a big punch would potentially knock him out once they got close. He's still got very suspect punch resistance. The only way Mayweather would fight Khan is if he's convinced he'd beat him. Joe Calzaghe fought all comers to get his perfect record, while Mayweather has dodged too many opponents to be called a great. For years and years he fought sub standard WBO fighters.. He stayed well clear of peak time Toney, Jones and Hopkins. Took on a totally shot Jones and was still decked by a shot that wasn't even a proper punch, Jonres hit him with his wrist. Decked and outclassed by old man Hopkins and sneaked home because Hopkins ran out of gas I n the last couple of rounds. He wouldn't have lasted 3 rounds with peak time Jones. |
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Yeah I like Calzaghe and my opinion wouldn't be as harsh as yours, but to say he was a "fight all comers" type is simply untrue; he sat on that WBO belt for years. Even forgetting Hopkins, Michalczewski, etc, the Glen Johnson saga was as blatant a duck as there ever was.
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Yeah I like Calzaghe and my opinion wouldn't be as harsh as yours, but to say he was a "fight all comers" type is simply untrue; he sat on that WBO belt for years. Even forgetting Hopkins, Michalczewski, etc, the Glen Johnson saga was as blatant a duck as there ever was.
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You may not like the bloke, but don't deny the evidence of your own eyes. Or failing that, I see your three links and raise you just one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LZtiuZzrb0 In which Juan Marquez, who fought both fighters says that he reckons Manny punches harder but Mayweather would win the fight. The clip also shows why Manny is a much more negaging and likeable personality than Pretty boy will ever be, but that's another story. Yep. Probably could put james Toney (at his peak) in there as well. As for an ATG having to be an offensive fighter; Ali V Foreman anyone? No doubt Tip top will say Ali's ribcage was attacking Foreman's fists... ![]() PS Whatever happened to the word "counterpuncher" by the way? "Defensive fighter" makes it sound like all the guy does is bob, weave and run.... ![]() Also, good call about Toney: 26 years as professional & has risen from middleweight to short, obese heavyweight, but still has never been knocked out. Saying that, I do wish he'd formally retire though, because even though he's been great defensively, the punches he has taken from heavyweights for the last decade or so have taken their toll on him. |
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LOL about Ali -v- Foreman.
![]() Also, good call about Toney: 26 years as professional & has risen from middleweight to short, obese heavyweight, but still has never been knocked out. Saying that, I do wish he'd formally retire though, because even though he's been great defensively, the punches he has taken from heavyweights for the last decade or so have taken their toll on him. |
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To be fair he fought Jeff Lacey who was considered the best around at the time. Even Roy jones ducked steve Collins. No one doubts Roy jones credentials. I think Calzage would have been a true great if he did not seriously hurt his hands. He ended up being a Tap them on the chin merchant as a result. If it were not for the injury he would have been a complete fighter. He would have had speed, power, durability he lost the knock out potential with that injury. Imagine how good he could have been if he did not lose that punchers threat.
To say Jones ducked a plodder like Collins is astonishing. The same Jones who took on an unbeaten Toney who was the pound for pound king at the time and before many thought Jones was ready. Jones whipped his ass as he did Hopkins. The same Jones who took on the unbeaten number 1 light heavy champ and sparked him in 2 rounds. Took on a heavy who beat Hollyfield and won every round of the fight. Ring mag pound for pound champ for 7 years yet afraid of Collins.
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Lacey was a slow, crude slugger trying to be a mini Tyson. He's one of those who got a title belt because of the multi belts around today. As soon as they come up against quality they are brutally exposed - see Nathan Cleverlly as another example.
To say Jones ducked a plodder like Collins is astonishing. The same Jones who took on an unbeaten Toney who was the pound for pound king at the time and before many thought Jones was ready. Jones whipped his ass as he did Hopkins. The same Jones who took on the unbeaten number 1 light heavy champ and sparked him in 2 rounds. Took on a heavy who beat Hollyfield and won every round of the fight. Ring mag pound for pound champ for 7 years yet afraid of Collins. ![]() Ricky Hatton got exposed when he fought true quality in Mayweather and the PAC man. I don't know if you have sky but it was on the boxing show. Ringside. They had roy jones, Eubanks, calzage, Woodall, and Collins. Jones just said Collins was not box office. Very strange thing to say about an Irishman. Just Boston and new York alone would pack any stadium to the rafters. Styles make fights and it was generally accepted in the boxing ranks that Jones did not feel comfortable fighting someone of Collins style. You can't go by theory and records against other fighters. Just going by the fights between Ali, Frazer, foremen , norton showed that. |
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Floyd Mayweather saying he doesn't want to fight Khan because he's not known outside boxing?
What kind of excuse is that?! I think many will know who Khan is as he was Olympic Silver medalist in 2004 and went onto win numerous word titles and the name gets around.I take it that Mayweather is worried about him then and Mayweather imo often resorts to mind games and excuses to try anf frustrate/annoy opponents and prospective opponents. If I was Khan, I'd carry on pursuing Mayweather but if Mayweather ducks him, then I'd like to see Khan fight either Pacquio, or get it on with Brook and I would like to see remtaches with Danny Garcia and Lamont Peterson. I think I'd prefer to see the rematches sooner than later but it might be better for Khan's confidence to try and beat Brook or Pacquio first. I agree with Syntax Error that the likes of of Garcia and Peterson trouble Khan more as they keep on coming and pressurise him, but that is why Khan will have to FOCUS/concetrate bigtime, stick to his game plan and out box them as well as hopefully knocking them down too. The fights might have to happen at catch weight though, will Khan be able to come down in weight and be effective? I hope so. I have to say that while Khan seems to be getting bigger and bigger and thats why he has to move up in weight, his punching power does seem to have diminished a lot since he moved up from lightweight. In the Olympics and while he was at Lightweight as a pro, his punches in general seemed to hurt all opponents and now its only seems occasionally that his punches either hurt or do damage and for that reason, Mayweather should not duck Khan. Khan's right hand did seem to bother Alexander when he did get through with it, especially when it was a right hook, even the left hooks seem to hurt Alexander and a couple of times I noticed Alexander didn't like it when Khan landed on his body/ribbs area and maybe Khan should work on body punches more but without getting caught? In general, if Khan's punching power has gone down since he moved up from lightweight then he will have to try and out box opponents more and as we have seen in a lot of his fights, he can win by out boxing people. |
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Khan?!
Aren't we forgetting something here? Amir Khan elite level fighter?! He's not even a world champion and when he was, his punch resistance was very weak against any fighter who could punch. He should fight Kell Brook, who is ahead of Khan considering Brook is a world champion. Khan is trying to get ahead of himself and chase the big money fights. He needs to get a world title before that imo, and he's not in Pacquiao's or Mayweather's class.
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Yeah I like Calzaghe and my opinion wouldn't be as harsh as yours, but to say he was a "fight all comers" type is simply untrue; he sat on that WBO belt for years. Even forgetting Hopkins, Michalczewski, etc, the Glen Johnson saga was as blatant a duck as there ever was.
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