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I think Khans concern about drug testing in that you tube link is legitimate. Same as Mayweathers concern in regard to Pacquiao taking a drug test. Seemed that Manny got ridiculously strong out of no where. What he did to Hatton was terrifying. Knocking him out cold after knocking him down 5 times in two rounds.
Impersonally don't feel that Brook is really in Khans class set the moment. It would be good to see an all british match up for a world title though. |
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Aren't we forgetting something here? Amir Khan elite level fighter?! He's not even a world champion and when he was, his punch resistance was very weak against any fighter who could punch. He should fight Kell Brook, who is ahead of Khan considering Brook is a world champion. Khan is trying to get ahead of himself and chase the big money fights. He needs to get a world title before that imo, and he's not in Pacquiao's or Mayweather's class.
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Floyd Mayweather saying he doesn't want to fight Khan because he's not known outside boxing?
What kind of excuse is that?! I think many will know who Khan is as he was Olympic Silver medalist in 2004 and went onto win numerous word titles and the name gets around.. |
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Ok, so in his last six fights Mayweather has fought: Maidana x 2, Alvarez, Robert bloody Guerrero, Cotto and Victor Ortiz. I'd wager Khan is probably better known outside of boxing worldwide, than most if not all of those people. Seriously what are his options if the Pacman fight doesn't happen? He might as well fight Khan, all other options would be piss poor or less known than Khan. Bradley maybe?
I think Amir Khan is right that they could easily sell out Wembley for this fight and it would be great to see the fight happen here. Floyd kept on saying after his fight with Ricky Hatton that he has loads of supporters in the UK and he wants to fight in the UK so why not fullfill that and fight Amir Khan here? Seeing as the pound is stronger than the dollar and the numbers that would fill Wembley are much more than any Las Vegas venue and all the PPV moeny they'd get, Floyd is bound to make much more money here than elsewhere so he should go for it. I doubt Floyd has many fights left in him unless he can do a Bernard Hopkin which I doubt so he should go for it with Khan for sure. |
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To be fair he fought Jeff Lacey who was considered the best around at the time. Even Roy jones ducked steve Collins. No one doubts Roy jones credentials. I think Calzage would have been a true great if he did not seriously hurt his hands. He ended up being a Tap them on the chin merchant as a result. If it were not for the injury he would have been a complete fighter. He would have had speed, power, durability he lost the knock out potential with that injury. Imagine how good he could have been if he did not lose that punchers threat.
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calzaghe is one of my fav boxers but he never had power. you look at his early fights and the refs in them fights were an embarrassment. a lot of his early fights were stopped way to early and some of the opponents were not even hurt when the fight was stopped. it still happened later in his career with that manfredo stoppage lol. he actually only had 2 proper knockouts in his entire career.
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I remember what Calzaghe said to Manfredo after he moaned about the stoppage. You are certainly talking a better fight than you fought. Eubank reckoned he hit him the hardest he ever been hit, and he was in the ring twice with Benn. When did he seriously hurt his hands? I thought that turned him into a tap on the chin and run boxer.
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eubank can talk utter rubbish at times though. no way can calzaghe hit harder than benn or carl thompson.
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I think Khans concern about drug testing in that you tube link is legitimate. Same as Mayweathers concern in regard to Pacquiao taking a drug test. Seemed that Manny got ridiculously strong out of no where. What he did to Hatton was terrifying. Knocking him out cold after knocking him down 5 times in two rounds.
Impersonally don't feel that Brook is really in Khans class set the moment. It would be good to see an all british match up for a world title though. The Problem with Brook is he is adaptable, I think stylistically Brook is a very interesting match up with Kahn , he still a very good welterweight even if not quite as tested as Kahn at elite level. Where as Kahn probably tears Mayweather a new one while having a close but winable fight against Pacquiao. Pacquiao or Mayweather V Brook are also an interesting fights. Personally I think Kahn should forget about Mayweather and Focus more on the future. If I'm advising Mayweather with the 0 and the ducking to keep it is all that he's got for a legacy, there is no way he takes on Kahn unless it's for mega money. Kahn's wasted a year already waiting. Kahn's made his point, it's up to the various promoters to sort it out or not. |
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World Champion doesn't = Elite anymore mate, there are so many World titles out there these days. Kell is proof of this, he has one good win against someone who was equally unproven, hardly elite.
For one hundred years, or more, Boxing was one of the top 3 sports in the world. The above post nails why it's no longer one of the major sports.
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For one hundred years, or more, Boxing was one of the top 3 sports in the world.
The above post nails why it's no longer one of the major sports. ![]() People expected to pay PPV when they already subscribe to a satelite or cable provider in general, then pay extra for the sports package and then are expected to pay even more for PPV Boxing is going too far and its why not that many people watch Boxing and why the sport doesn't reach as many youngsters who could be future boxers as when it was on free to air TV channels. |
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I suppose Eubank should know. But he can be very strange at times. I remember seeing the punch ghost floored him it was more of a stun than a power punch. He did Lacey face pretty bloody to be fair.
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Pacquiao pound for pound number 1
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I think everyone has their own terminology in regard to Floyd. I don't think either is right or wrong. Depends on the context. I personally would call Mayweather a defensive boxer because he is very much an avoid getting hit at all costs boxer, some might see that as a counter puncher. Like football. Some would call italian football teams style of play as counter attacking, some would say containment, others would say defensive.
I agree totally with you. Manny may punch harder, may be the more likeable guy, but Floyd is my opinion a better boxer. His record speaks for itself. He always finds a way to win even if can be liking watching paint dry at times. Hatton. Pacquiao had the better victory. Cotto. Pacquaio had the better victory. Mosely.. the list goes on. Mayweather is obsessed with his zero record, and when has any boxing pundit put together a list of the best ever 'defensive' fighters?! You're either an all time great fighter as Pacquiao is, or you're not. Who were the best ever football teams? The boring Italian teams who would snatch a win on penalties (no disrespect to Italian football, just being honest), or the great Brazil or German teams? It's a no brainer. Mayweather does not appear on any all time great fighter list. All time great fighters were all come forward, aggressive fighters who fought the best in their divisions. Mayweather ticks none of the boxes. Leonard was an all time great, and could run and dance around a ring a lot better than Mayeather. He also came forward, engaged opponents and fought all comers. Think the Hearns fights, Hagler and two of the Duran fights. Ali did likewise as did all the greats. A very good analysis by a guy who talks a lot of sense: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pe4qbXylrE There's a few references to drugs on this thread and it's another Mayweather excuse. Pacquiao v Marquez 4 shows what someone on steroids looks like (http://www.sportsworldnews.com/artic...ious-video.htm). Watch the video and the weigh in. Pacquaio doesn't look pumped up to me in any fights. He's put muscle on, but he doesn't look like any Ben Johnson, Marquez or body builder. He's worked hard, very hard. That's it imo. Another very good analysis by a boxer who knows his stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd3io8aVRgs It's not about disliking Mayweather. When he fought Hatton, I backed Mayweather because I thought he'd win. He exposed a good fighter in Hatton, and won a fair fight. At the end of the day if Mayweather offered to fight in my backyard.. I'd draw the curtains..
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What are your opinions on Amir Khans stage managed boxing career.
Presented to all of us as the "Next great thing" during his rise to British fame being the British Muslim Olympic star. lost the final in a miserable display but played his silver medal has victory to maintain the liberal pretence of his ability. |
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There are some poor comments on this thread. Calzaghe could hit very hard as anyone who knows their boxing will tell you. Also, as anyone who knows their boxing will tell you, Calzaghe developed serious hand trouble. He won some fights one handed and against Kessler had to use body shots to wear Kessler down. Calzaghe was very smart and had the heart of a lion. Welsh humility and Italian heart. One of the best fighters ever. Respect.
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I only recently learnt of Glyn Leach, the editor of Boxing Monthly passing away when someone mentioned it on Sky's Ringside programme. What very sad news. Does anyone know yet what was the cause of death?
I was surprised that he was justy 52 too. I remember when Lennox Lewis lost unexpectedly to Oliver McCall in 1994 and I'm pretty sure it was Glyn Leach who did an in depth article/analysis in how and why Lewis lost and at some point in that article, he offered a year's free subscription to whover could have predicted something but I can't remember what exactly. |
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are you from wales by any chance?
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Deontay Wilder -v- Bermaine Stiverne tonight.
There seems to be genuine excitement about the prospect of Wilder becoming the first American Heavyweight champion for a long time tonight, despite the fact that Wladimir Klitschko isn't dead or retired, so whoever wins will not be the heavyweight champion of the world, regardless. It is an intruiging fight in prospect & although I like Wilder as a person, he doesn't excite me that much yet, because he hasn't fought anyone with a pulse & his style is terrible. Stiverne will be by some distance, the best guy he's ever fought & Bermaine can punch hard himself. I'm going with Stiverne for the win, but it wouldn't surprise me if Wilder managed to chin him, because you can never count against a guy with that much power. |
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Deontay Wilder -v- Bermaine Stiverne tonight.
There seems to be genuine excitement about the prospect of Wilder becoming the first American Heavyweight champion for a long time tonight, despite the fact that Wladimir Klitschko isn't dead or retired, so whoever wins will not be the heavyweight champion of the world, regardless. It is an intruiging fight in prospect & although I like Wilder as a person, he doesn't excite me that much yet, because he hasn't fought anyone with a pulse & his style is terrible. Stiverne will be by some distance, the best guy he's ever fought & Bermaine can punch hard himself. I'm going with Stiverne for the win, but it wouldn't surprise me if Wilder managed to chin him, because you can never count against a guy with that much power. |
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8 world titles at different weights, and apart from the Marquez loss where most people agree that Marquez was pumped on steroids (http://www.sportsworldnews.com/artic...ious-video.htm), Pacquiao has the edge. Fighters who both Pacquaio and Mayweather have fought?
Hatton. Pacquiao had the better victory. Cotto. Pacquaio had the better victory. Mosely.. the list goes on. Mayweather is obsessed with his zero record, and when has any boxing pundit put together a list of the best ever 'defensive' fighters?! You're either an all time great fighter as Pacquiao is, or you're not. Who were the best ever football teams? The boring Italian teams who would snatch a win on penalties (no disrespect to Italian football, just being honest), or the great Brazil or German teams? It's a no brainer. Mayweather does not appear on any all time great fighter list. All time great fighters were all come forward, aggressive fighters who fought the best in their divisions. Mayweather ticks none of the boxes. Leonard was an all time great, and could run and dance around a ring a lot better than Mayeather. He also came forward, engaged opponents and fought all comers. Think the Hearns fights, Hagler and two of the Duran fights. Ali did likewise as did all the greats. A very good analysis by a guy who talks a lot of sense: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pe4qbXylrE There's a few references to drugs on this thread and it's another Mayweather excuse. Pacquiao v Marquez 4 shows what someone on steroids looks like (http://www.sportsworldnews.com/artic...ious-video.htm). Watch the video and the weigh in. Pacquaio doesn't look pumped up to me in any fights. He's put muscle on, but he doesn't look like any Ben Johnson, Marquez or body builder. He's worked hard, very hard. That's it imo. Another very good analysis by a boxer who knows his stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd3io8aVRgs It's not about disliking Mayweather. When he fought Hatton, I backed Mayweather because I thought he'd win. He exposed a good fighter in Hatton, and won a fair fight. At the end of the day if Mayweather offered to fight in my backyard.. I'd draw the curtains.. ![]() Now as for claiming Mayweather isn't a great or #1 p4p I really don't see how that can be disputed. His unbeaten and beat everyone there is to beat. Whether you think it's exciting is irrelevant. Mayweather just runs is another myth. Did Mayweather run vs the unbeaten Canelo? Did he run vs an unbeaten Hatton? Did he run vs Corrales? Did he run vs Cotto? As for comparing common opponents. You missed JMM who Mayweather beat 12-0 in a total shut out. Nobody has done that!!! Next you'll be telling me Pernell Whittaker wasn't a great. Funny how so many claimed Mayweather would never face a young unbeaten fighter like Canelo and then when he gives him a total lesson suddenly Canelo turns into a cherry pick. |
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I totally forgot about Wilder V Stiverne!!! Did any of you guys see it? From reports, Wilder totally outboxed him and staggered him a few times, so he answered a few questions there.
And of course, it's always good to see Don King fail yet again
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I totally forgot about Wilder V Stiverne!!! Did any of you guys see it? From reports, Wilder totally outboxed him and staggered him a few times, so he answered a few questions there.
And of course, it's always good to see Don King fail yet again ![]() |
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I totally forgot about Wilder V Stiverne!!! Did any of you guys see it? From reports, Wilder totally outboxed him and staggered him a few times, so he answered a few questions there.
And of course, it's always good to see Don King fail yet again ![]() I didn't think Wilder had that in him & he has proved me wrong. OK, Stiverne made it easy for him & could benefit from going away & studying the great Smokin' Joe Frazier on how to cut off the ring, but full credit to Wilder. Wilder has spent six years blowing away corpses & he has passed his first major test with flying colours. |
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I totally forgot about Wilder V Stiverne!!! Did any of you guys see it? From reports, Wilder totally outboxed him and staggered him a few times, so he answered a few questions there.
And of course, it's always good to see Don King fail yet again ![]() Fury vs Wilder will shape up to be the most unlikeliest chess match in boxing history. Froch sounds like he's done on 5live, once you start thinking about retirement the game is up. |
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Wilder performed a lot better than I thought he would, was expecting stiverne to take control after round 8.
What do people think re a fury v wilder fight? |
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What kind of excuse is that?! I think many will know who Khan is as he was Olympic Silver medalist in 2004 and went onto win numerous word titles and the name gets around..