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Old 19-07-2015, 23:38
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framptons reasons on refusing to fight Quigg just looks worse.

I like frampton, his a terrific fighter but the excuses to avoid the Quigg fight were ridiculous.
Say what? do you even follow boxing.

Everybody and their Gran know those pair will meet eventually (obviously), and meet when there's big money on the table. There's no point in meeting now or in near future, they might as well hold out and make it a multi-million pound bout, and the longer they hold out the bigger that pot will become.
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Old 20-07-2015, 10:07
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Say what? do you even follow boxing.

Everybody and their Gran know those pair will meet eventually (obviously), and meet when there's big money on the table. There's no point in meeting now or in near future, they might as well hold out and make it a multi-million pound bout, and the longer they hold out the bigger that pot will become.
The day Frampton makes £1.5 mil fighting anyone else please do let me know.

Its already a multi million pound bout and Barry Mcguigan seems to think Frampton deserves a 70//30 split. Until he realises that's absurd the fight will not happen anytime.

Any stoppage makes the scoring up to that point null and void but many fights have been won with one punch against the flow of the fight, it was an impressive stoppage but patently obvious that Martinez walked onto the punch that started his demise.

Froch v Taylor is classic example, Taylor was 4 rounds up on 2 of the judge's cards and coasting home when Froch ko'd him with 14 seconds to go.
True but I feel that's a whole lot different from a fighter winning the opening round. Can a flow of a fight be decided after 1 round? I don't think it can.
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Old 20-07-2015, 10:45
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Say what? do you even follow boxing.

Everybody and their Gran know those pair will meet eventually (obviously), and meet when there's big money on the table. There's no point in meeting now or in near future, they might as well hold out and make it a multi-million pound bout, and the longer they hold out the bigger that pot will become.
The longer they hold out the more chance there is of one of them losing. They can both only avoid Rigondeaux for so long. And if Frampton's moving up he can't avoid Lomachenko, Walters and the likes for long either. There's no boxing or financial argument as to why Frampton and Quigg shouldn't fight each other right now. It is literally the perfect time.
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Old 20-07-2015, 19:49
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Say what? do you even follow boxing.

Everybody and their Gran know those pair will meet eventually (obviously), and meet when there's big money on the table. There's no point in meeting now or in near future, they might as well hold out and make it a multi-million pound bout, and the longer they hold out the bigger that pot will become.
The thing is, if they meet now and have a cracker of a fight, then a rematch and possibly a third encounter would definitely be on the cards.

As has been said it would only take either to lose and any big money fight would likely be scuppered.

Best cash in now while they have the chance.
Boxing is a brutal and unforgiving sport.
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Old 20-07-2015, 23:35
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Mayweather and Pacman waited 5 or 6 years until the price was right, be under no illusions about that. Now I'm not suggesting the Frampton or Quigg camp's will hold out for so long, but I believe they're certainly holding out because they know it'll be a huge box office attraction in the UK and possibly beyond the longer it sits.
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Old 21-07-2015, 10:02
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Mayweather and Pacman waited 5 or 6 years until the price was right, be under no illusions about that. Now I'm not suggesting the Frampton or Quigg camp's will hold out for so long, but I believe they're certainly holding out because they know it'll be a huge box office attraction in the UK and possibly beyond the longer it sits.
Mayweather and Pacman never thought for a number of reasons. The money on the table wasn't one of them.

That's not forgetting that Mayweather and Pacquaio had other options. Mayweather was still getting paid $30 mil minimum per fight without pacquiao.

Neither Quigg or Frampton will be making anything close to the money they can make right now fighting each other rather than other opponents.

Khan says the same thing about Brook. Claiming the fight can be bigger down the line while ignoring the possibility of Brook losing or Khan himself losing.

Why not strike when the iron is hot?

I remember when Nonito Donaire & Yuriorkis Gamboa kept winning and people were calling for the fight and Bob Arum kept saying there was no need to and it would be better to build it up for a fight further down the line.

Donaire then lost to Rigondeaux and the fight never happened.
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Old 21-07-2015, 17:45
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Khan will never fight Brook while there is a possibility of a Mayweather fight, if he's going to get beaten, he may as well get a good payday, he could fight Brook and fill Wembley, but it wouldn't pay him anywhere near as much, especially if Eddie is holding the purse strings.

I wish Floyd would just bloody retire and get on with it.
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Old 21-07-2015, 19:58
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Khan will never fight Brook while there is a possibility of a Mayweather fight, if he's going to get beaten, he may as well get a good payday, he could fight Brook and fill Wembley, but it wouldn't pay him anywhere near as much, especially if Eddie is holding the purse strings.

I wish Floyd would just bloody retire and get on with it.
Khan would earn more fighting brook.

Outside Pacquiao mayweather's opponents take a small cut. Canelo got $5 mil guaranteed, Cotto got $8 mil guaranteed (way bigger names than Khan in the states). The likes of Guerrero, Maidana, Ortiz made $1 - $2 mil guaranteed. Even if Khan managed to make say $3 mil guaranteed he could make $5 mil v brook.
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Old 21-07-2015, 21:03
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Saw the press conference of klitschko and fury. Is it just me or is fury trying to convince himself he can win. I know the klitschkos ain't the most popular boxers but they handle themselves in the bulid up with class unlike others. I'm not a fan of trash talk but know its all just to bulid up fights. As much as I like fury I get the feeling when the fight starts the occasion will get to him and he'll get knocked out. Does anyone think fury will win or want him to win?
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Old 21-07-2015, 22:56
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Old 21-07-2015, 23:14
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As much as I dislike the Klitschkos, I hope Fury gets beaten hard round after round but lasts the distance.... a painful lesson to shut the hell up. Thick as an uncut loaf!
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Old 22-07-2015, 08:48
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LOL at Fury, he's an absolute loon, but god love him.
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Old 22-07-2015, 09:22
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Saw the press conference of klitschko and fury. Is it just me or is fury trying to convince himself he can win. I know the klitschkos ain't the most popular boxers but they handle themselves in the bulid up with class unlike others. I'm not a fan of trash talk but know its all just to bulid up fights. As much as I like fury I get the feeling when the fight starts the occasion will get to him and he'll get knocked out. Does anyone think fury will win or want him to win?
I'm in two minds about this.

Unless Wladimir gets old all of a sudden, there is no way he doesn't beat Fury, but part of me wants Fury to win because HW boxing will become a lot more interesting.

I like Klitschko, but his dominance is beginning to bore me & add in the facts that he is 40, probably doesn't have much longer left & that he hasn't had a true nemesis throughout his career makes me wish that Fury can win to usher in a new era of boxing.

Fury is a gobsh!te; of that there is no doubt, but he is similar to Ali in that he isn't very bright & he gets carried away with the pre-fight hype, but deep down, he doesn't really mean it.

At least Fury is memorable & if he does win, it opens up the HW division massively, although his first defence will undoubtedly be against Wladimir in the event of him winning.
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Old 22-07-2015, 09:28
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Mayweather and Pacman never thought for a number of reasons. The money on the table wasn't one of them.

That's not forgetting that Mayweather and Pacquaio had other options. Mayweather was still getting paid $30 mil minimum per fight without pacquiao.

Neither Quigg or Frampton will be making anything close to the money they can make right now fighting each other rather than other opponents.

Khan says the same thing about Brook. Claiming the fight can be bigger down the line while ignoring the possibility of Brook losing or Khan himself losing.

Why not strike when the iron is hot?

I remember when Nonito Donaire & Yuriorkis Gamboa kept winning and people were calling for the fight and Bob Arum kept saying there was no need to and it would be better to build it up for a fight further down the line.

Donaire then lost to Rigondeaux and the fight never happened.
Spot on.

You could toss in Lennox Lewis -v- Riddick Bowe circa 1993 too.

That was the most natural fight on the planet in 1993, but Rock Newman & Bowe didn't want it so soon & wanted to build the fight.

By the end of 1993, Bowe had eaten himself out of contention & lost his title to Evander Holyfield & a short time later, the reckless Lewis got himself poleaxed by the professional mad man that is Oliver McCall & what was the biggest fight in the world less than 12 months earlier had gone & although both men got versions of the title back & Lewis went on to become a dominant champion, the two of them never fought & that was a crying shame.

Like you have said, you should always strike when the iron is hot, because you never know what is coming.
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Old 22-07-2015, 16:44
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Saw the press conference of klitschko and fury. Is it just me or is fury trying to convince himself he can win. I know the klitschkos ain't the most popular boxers but they handle themselves in the bulid up with class unlike others. I'm not a fan of trash talk but know its all just to bulid up fights. As much as I like fury I get the feeling when the fight starts the occasion will get to him and he'll get knocked out. Does anyone think fury will win or want him to win?
It takes a rare breed of grade A idiot to make yourself look worse then Klitschko but Fury manages it. It was cringe worthy watching him. I know its all "fake" in a desperate attempt to hype the fight up, but he just ended up looking like a fool. Fury trying to act the hard man and get inside Klitschko's head and instead coming across as camp as christmas, was one of the funniest things ever. I half expected him to throw in an "oooooo Betty !" It was THAT mincey !
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Old 22-07-2015, 17:47
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It takes a rare breed of grade A idiot to make yourself look worse then Klitschko but Fury manages it. It was cringe worthy watching him. I know its all "fake" in a desperate attempt to hype the fight up, but he just ended up looking like a fool. Fury trying to act the hard man and get inside Klitschko's head and instead coming across as camp as christmas, was one of the funniest things ever. I half expected him to throw in an "oooooo Betty !" It was THAT mincey !
Fury was never gonna rattle him or get in his head. Wlad has been around way too long for that to happen. Press conference was pretty funny.
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Old 22-07-2015, 19:08
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How can anyone get mad at Tyson Fury, he's hilarious, both intentionally and unintentionally.
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Old 22-07-2015, 19:14
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Spot on.

You could toss in Lennox Lewis -v- Riddick Bowe circa 1993 too.

That was the most natural fight on the planet in 1993, but Rock Newman & Bowe didn't want it so soon & wanted to build the fight.

By the end of 1993, Bowe had eaten himself out of contention & lost his title to Evander Holyfield & a short time later, the reckless Lewis got himself poleaxed by the professional mad man that is Oliver McCall & what was the biggest fight in the world less than 12 months earlier had gone & although both men got versions of the title back & Lewis went on to become a dominant champion, the two of them never fought & that was a crying shame.

Like you have said, you should always strike when the iron is hot, because you never know what is coming.
If only Leonard had fought Duran in '80, Hearns in '81 and Hagler and Hearns had squared off in '85 we could have seen some real pugilistic fireworks.

As for Fury he is a gobshite but a likable one.

I notice that Wlad is not very popular on here - I admire the man personally as he carries himself like a true champion and is vastly underrated by most.

However I can understand why his utter dominance is getting so tedious to people - which is why it would be interesting for Fury to at least test him.

Joshua may well the the next great heavyweight (or not).

Time will tell.
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Old 22-07-2015, 19:58
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usually fury does well winding the opponent up but it didn't work at all against wlad. i was expecting the press conference to be much better than it was
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Old 23-07-2015, 02:18
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Saw the press conference of klitschko and fury. Is it just me or is fury trying to convince himself he can win. I know the klitschkos ain't the most popular boxers but they handle themselves in the bulid up with class unlike others. I'm not a fan of trash talk but know its all just to bulid up fights. As much as I like fury I get the feeling when the fight starts the occasion will get to him and he'll get knocked out. Does anyone think fury will win or want him to win?
I want Fury to win, quite like him, hes not the best in the world and can look quite awkward but he's unbeaten and I think a lot better than he gets credit for.

I think if he can get past round 6 he'll start to dominate but he'll have to be disciplined.
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Old 23-07-2015, 22:24
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I want Fury to win, quite like him, hes not the best in the world and can look quite awkward but he's unbeaten and I think a lot better than he gets credit for.

I think if he can get past round 6 he'll start to dominate but he'll have to be disciplined.
I'm inclined to agree with you.

He's a big lump of a heavyweight and i just feel he can rough Wlad up and unsettle him.

Fury's defence or lack of it could be his only shortcoming.
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Old 23-07-2015, 22:55
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If it was in America I'd be all for Fury giving him all he can handle, in Germany the Klitschko's leave nothing to chance though, expect the ref to be lax on Wlad's usual nonsense.
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Old 23-07-2015, 23:05
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If it was in America I'd be all for Fury giving him all he can handle, in Germany the Klitschko's leave nothing to chance though, expect the ref to be lax on Wlad's usual nonsense.
Yep, so many ifs and buts around this fight for me.

Fury is such an awkward guy to fight, he can fight orthodox as easily as southpaw.

He will cause problems and i just hope he can hold it all together.
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Old 23-07-2015, 23:56
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Yep, so many ifs and buts around this fight for me.

Fury is such an awkward guy to fight, he can fight orthodox as easily as southpaw.

He will cause problems and i just hope he can hold it all together.
Yes switching styles will hopefully keep wlad on his toes.

As you mentioned before Fury does have a questionable defence but he's so big and awkward he's hard to hit cleanly.

I've got tickets to the fight so am hoping for a good undercard too.
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Old 24-07-2015, 00:38
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I've got tickets to the fight so am hoping for a good undercard too.
Don't get your hopes up, K2 Promotions and Germany in general don't really *do* undercards.
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