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Nadine Coyle - A victim of Saturdays-itis?!?!?
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cashloot147
08-11-2010
I have just listened to Nadine's album on youtube and there are some great tracks on it.

Why on earth would you choose Insatiable as the lead single over Lullaby??:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_wBC..._order&list=UL

or Put Your Hands Up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1O0C..._order&list=UL

Who manages Nadine? The Saturdays management by any chance?!?
sawyer56
08-11-2010
those are my two faves of the album...i do really like insatiable but i'm not sure it was lead single worthy. solid album though, much prefer it to messy little raindrops.
james-dean
08-11-2010
Urgh, dont get me started on the saturdays management. how missing you was chosen over higher i really dont know. I think Sales for higher show that, and that its spend 12 weeks in the charts. Beating missing you, oh the possibilities if it had been lead As with Up, and Ego.

But, i wasnt a fan of Nadine, but now i've heard these, it's really changed my perception.
Master Ozzy
08-11-2010
The reason Nadine hasn't done too well as of yet is all down to her...she signed to Tesco. What on earth was she thinking? I'm nto a fan of Insatiable, but it was a decnt enough track to make the top 5. She made a ridiculous cock up by choosing Tesco.
james-dean
08-11-2010
Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“The reason Nadine hasn't done too well as of yet is all down to her...she signed to Tesco. What on earth was she thinking? I'm nto a fan of Insatiable, but it was a decnt enough track to make the top 5. She made a ridiculous cock up by choosing Tesco.”

Tesco is not the reason.

Hardly anyone buys physical copies anymore, and the chances are, the small minority of people that do have to shop in a supermarket at some point.

Most people download, so thats rather stupid.

+ I don't see what the harm is with Tesco? she's produced good music.
cashloot147
08-11-2010
Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“The reason Nadine hasn't done too well as of yet is all down to her...she signed to Tesco. What on earth was she thinking? I'm nto a fan of Insatiable, but it was a decnt enough track to make the top 5. She made a ridiculous cock up by choosing Tesco.”

But the only deal with Tesco was a distribution deal, the album was released through her own label, Black Pen Records, so I actually think she gets to choose what singles are released.

I was so disappointed with Insatiable as a single and thought if that was the best track then it didn't speak volumes for the album but it's actually a good album!!!

Very poor lead single decision!
Carmen Queasy
08-11-2010
Basically:

- The song is not that good. I really don't get why people are thinking it's the best thing since The Beatles, simply because she can sing. It's forgettable and dated.
- She is signed to a very new label - Tesco - who probably have no real idea of how to market something and get it properly noticed.
- Again, her Tesco deal means only those who shop at Tesco will actually see the album. It's not in HMV, Amazon, iTunes etc etc etc where most albums are sold.
cashloot147
08-11-2010
Originally Posted by Carmen Queasy:
“Basically:

- The song is not that good. I really don't get why people are thinking it's the best thing since The Beatles, simply because she can sing. It's forgettable and dated.
- She is signed to a very new label - Tesco - who probably have no real idea of how to market something and get it properly noticed.
- Again, her Tesco deal means only those who shop at Tesco will actually see the album. It's not in HMV, Amazon, iTunes etc etc etc where most albums are sold.”

Yup, 'Insatiable' was a terrible lead single choice! Not a bad album tracks but she could have made a much bigger impact with several other tracks on the album!!

The deal with Tesco is a distribution deal, they aren't a label. The album is being released through her label, Black Pen Records, but, as you say, I wonder how much Nadine really knows about marketing a single!?!

I also think you can get the album on itunes cos you could get the single on itunes!
Carmen Queasy
08-11-2010
Apparently the album is exclusive to Tesco, so I'd assume that meant no iTunes and the likes?
Cjw
08-11-2010
Originally Posted by Carmen Queasy:
“Apparently the album is exclusive to Tesco, so I'd assume that meant no iTunes and the likes?”

Nope. Well, it's not on there at the moment, only the single.
Carmen Queasy
08-11-2010
Originally Posted by Cjw:
“Nope. Well, it's not on there at the moment, only the single.”

According to DS (link...) the album is exclusive to Tesco - A quick Google search also shows a lot of places saying this... unless it's just the physical CD which is exclusive to them? Still, it's not on iTunes, Amazon, Play etc (in fact, to rub salt into the wound, when you search for Nadine Coyle on Amazon the first result is Cheryl Cole... oops!)

Also, the adverts for it - the one I've seen on TV - said it's exclusive to Tesco.
ags_rule
08-11-2010
These exclusive deals very rarely work. Guns N' Roses released their last album Chinese Democracy - one of the most anticipated albums ever - exclusively through Best Buy in the USA, and it only entered at No. 3 on the charts because of it.
kryskrys
08-11-2010
Interestingly, the single is now available to download on Amazon and Play, when last week you could only buy it from Tesco or iTunes. So I wonder if the Tesco exclusivity is just for a certain period of time, and then it will get a wider release?

And I don't think its a big problem that you can't get the album on iTunes. The vast majority of album sales are physicals, hardly anyone downloads full albums.
Carmen Queasy
08-11-2010
Originally Posted by kryskrys:
“Interestingly, the single is now available to download on Amazon and Play, when last week you could only buy it from Tesco or iTunes. So I wonder if the Tesco exclusivity is just for a certain period of time, and then it will get a wider release?

And I don't think its a big problem that you can't get the album on iTunes. The vast majority of album sales are physicals, hardly anyone downloads full albums.”

Surely that's an even bigger problem if it's only going to be released in Tesco? Although CDs seemingly sell more album wise, not having them available on iTunes just reduces the exposure.

Saying that, I believe Faithless sold something like 80,000 from having their CDs stocked in Tesco alone (but I believe they were also on iTunes). However, Faithless have been around a long time and have an already large fan base. Their album, The Dance, is now available outside of Tesco so I guess it was time limited.

However, a debut release from someone who has no initial major fan base (lets face it, all the exposure of anything Girls Aloud is with Cheryl at the moment) being exclusive to one shop is only going to have a negative affect on sales.

Kids won't go shopping around Tesco to get a CD. They would if it was in HMV. If it does get release elsewhere after a period of time I think any "hype" would be over. This will be an album which peaks on it's original release and then plummets.
Scratchy7929
08-11-2010
Originally Posted by james-dean:
“the small minority of people that do have to shop in a supermarket at some point.”

She's missing out on the Asda market though
Red+Blooded
08-11-2010
is it only avaliable in tesco.
kryskrys
08-11-2010
Originally Posted by Carmen Queasy:
“Surely that's an even bigger problem if it's only going to be released in Tesco? Although CDs seemingly sell more album wise, not having them available on iTunes just reduces the exposure.

Saying that, I believe Faithless sold something like 80,000 from having their CDs stocked in Tesco alone (but I believe they were also on iTunes). However, Faithless have been around a long time and have an already large fan base. Their album, The Dance, is now available outside of Tesco so I guess it was time limited.

However, a debut release from someone who has no initial major fan base (lets face it, all the exposure of anything Girls Aloud is with Cheryl at the moment) being exclusive to one shop is only going to have a negative affect on sales.

Kids won't go shopping around Tesco to get a CD. They would if it was in HMV. If it does get release elsewhere after a period of time I think any "hype" would be over. This will be an album which peaks on it's original release and then plummets.”

Oh yeah, I'm not disputing any of this. Of course the Tesco exclusivity is going to have a negative effect on her sales. And it would obviously help if the album were on iTunes, but I don't think it would make a massive difference.

And presumably she's getting a pretty big financial incentive for selling exclusively though Tesco, so she's probably not doing as badly as everyone thinks - even if album sales are low.
Carmen Queasy
08-11-2010
Granted, she'll get more money out of this project compared to someone releasing it as standard with the same level of sales, but the problem is that to make it in the music business you need to secure your fan base. More and more people seem to be casual music buyers who move on very quickly, so without success she might end up going separate ways and her only support would be herself (her own label).

I don't know if she can become one of these "cult" acts, who never really sell well but have been around for years.
cashloot147
08-11-2010
Originally Posted by Carmen Queasy:
“Granted, she'll get more money out of this project compared to someone releasing it as standard with the same level of sales, but the problem is that to make it in the music business you need to secure your fan base. More and more people seem to be casual music buyers who move on very quickly, so without success she might end up going separate ways and her only support would be herself (her own label).

I don't know if she can become one of these "cult" acts, who never really sell well but have been around for years.”

She may well do that. She is releasing off her own label so as long as she has money and has the passion to make music, she will continue.

I get the feeling that she will be a Beverley Knight who, despite being very talented, will never have massive sales apart from a couple of hit singles. However, she will still release music quite frequently.
Carmen Queasy
08-11-2010
I'm not sure she'll be able to maintain a position in music, on her own label, if she isn't selling enough. It's not that she'll be dropped - can you drop yourself? - but she might not maintain enough income to keep up the label; i.e. she might operate at a loss.

Of course, we'll have to wait for the results of the first week sales first but with limited radio support, a relatively poor single position (singles don't usually matter, but for "new" acts they're important) and all the focus going to Cheryl Cole (sad, but clearly true) then she may not be around as a solo act for long.
Gaspanic!
08-11-2010
It's got average reviews just like Cheryl's album.
spaceygal
08-11-2010
I was disappointed to see neither her single nor album are on Napster to download at all. That's where I usually buy all my music these days. But, having listened to some of the songs since on Youtube I'm not sure I really want the album now anyway. Too many bland, nondescript songs and overuse of that pathetic autotuning that I'm sick to the back teeth of on everything these days. She doesn't need autotune, she's a great singer. I would have liked Put Your Hands Up if it wasnt for the OTT autotuning, which completely spoils it for me. Lullaby isn't too bad. I do like the single, its not bad.

I do like Nadine, have always loved her voice. I just wish she had stronger material to sing! Ah well.
sammyvine
09-11-2010
A whole bunch of mistakes she made

1. Tesco (main mistake imo. May work if your selling a clothing item but not music. Not many people will go to Tesco just to buy a certain artist's music, unless your lady gaga or somebody)

2.) Interviews - I think she is very talented and the best singer of Girls Aloud by far but she does come across sometimes as a bit arrogant and full of herself. She needs to come across as more grounded and down to earth.

3.) Girls Aloud/Media - Another pivotal part. The media have been really unfair towards her imo. It's almost like they have sided with Cheryl Cole and see her as the villain of the band when nobody knows what actually happened between them, except all the parties involved.

May be hard for her to turn it around unless she has a really good single.
spaceygal
09-11-2010
Forgot to say I think Red Light is a good song too.
james-dean
09-11-2010
Originally Posted by Scratchy7929:
“She's missing out on the Asda market though ”

Does anyone actually shop in Asda? it's horrible :L
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