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Old 09-11-2010, 17:16
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I can't believe what Nadine has been saying;
'I knew Cheryl would beat me', 'Simon Cowell was behind her so no wonder' bla bla bla.

The reality is, as this attention-seeker well knows, is that the key to success in general is promotion.

Radio 1 loved 'Insatiable' but she told them not to put it on their playlist. End result: the single bombed. It's not rocket science!

If you want to express disappointment over this, fine, that is a natural and understandable reaction. But spare me the thin veil of jealousy over Cheryl's success because 'GASP!' Cheryl actually gets out there and promotes herself.

A person who dances to their own tune I can tolerate, a cynical hypocrite I cannot.
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Old 09-11-2010, 17:26
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Why did she ask Radio 1 not to put the song on their playlist?
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Old 09-11-2010, 17:30
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Are those direct quotes?

Source for the Radio 1 thing?
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Old 09-11-2010, 17:36
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"Nadine Coyle and her disingenuous self-pity": JK Rowlings new title just doesn't have the same ring as "Harry Potter and the Chamber of secrets, does it!

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Old 09-11-2010, 17:40
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Why did she ask Radio 1 not to put the song on their playlist?
Are those direct quotes?

Source for the Radio 1 thing?
That would be completely idiotic - even someone with half a brain would know Radio 1 backing is well-sought after.
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Old 09-11-2010, 17:46
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Despite DS's paraphrasing for their headline the quote is:

"The truth is, I knew I could never take on Cheryl. She has all the power of The X Factor and Simon Cowell behind her. It's a massive advantage."

Don't see wtf is wrong with that?! She's quite right....
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Old 09-11-2010, 17:50
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And disingenuous self-pity? So she's faking pitying herself...wtf are you talking about?

Nothing she has said is self-pitying anyway... that would be the opposite i.e. "it's so unfair how everyone beats me I don't understand it, I'm great" ... instead she explains that she understands it's not going to be easy for her and the reason she gives is pretty damn accurate.

As for the Radio 1 thing.... I'm inclined to call total bullshit until you provide a (reliable) source....
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Old 09-11-2010, 17:54
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Is the OP News of the World's Dan Wootton?
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Old 09-11-2010, 17:56
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This is another example of someone believing a so called quote. I mean serious, there are such gullable people who will believe anything in this world, they would think the world is coming to an end tommorow if they read it in the paper.
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Old 09-11-2010, 17:58
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The Radio One thing sounds ridiculous, surely she can't be that thick!
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Old 09-11-2010, 18:40
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I headed the song on radio 1 when it was first released but I’ve not listened to radio 1 since so not sure if it was played again and often.

I’m going to buy Nadine’s album on Saturday, I have always liked nadina so I have no problem supporting her
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Old 09-11-2010, 18:51
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I don't think Nadine has been self pitying, she has just been speaking the truth. I actually think she has been very adult about everything, she could have got stroppy and verbally attacked Cheryl but has simply stated that she did not expect to beat her.

Yes the key to success is promotion. Nadine could have done more I admit. She should definately have spent longer in the UK promoting her record and single before its release. Leaving it to the week of release before doing promotion left it too late, especially for launching a career. But not all Nadine's problems were her fault. Radio 1 refused to play list her single (have not seen any evidence to suggest she asked for it not to be playlisted), she also was restricted to chat shows to promote her single (paul O grady, Daybreak), whose viewers were probably not within the demographic who would buy her record.

In contrast even a Cheryl fan should admit she had a massive advantage. The media portray her as "the nations sweetheart" and she is never out of the papers. She appears on a show with 13 million viewers per week and endorses media products (shampoo), which keeps her profile high. She also got to perform her song on a highly popular show which appeals to the record buying public and had her record played thousands of times. I like Cheryl, but admit her performance on the X Factor was dire. She mimed virtually the whole song and the lines she did sing were out of tune and flat. I could not believe it when Ferne Cotton played a clip of this and said it sounded OK, talk about being scared to say something bad about the "nations sweetheart". The public seem to also forgive Cheryl for any of her past bad behaviour (e.g. insulting Charlotte Church and Lily Allen; the toilet attendant incident), while Nadine gets crucified for the most minor misdemeanor (being too thin, living in L.A., being a better singer than Cheryl).
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Old 09-11-2010, 19:19
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If Jamiroquai can get a slot on X Factor why not Nadine? Surely Cheryl Coel must ahve stuck the knife in. Or possibly becuase Tesco doesnt quite have the push that Universal has
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Old 09-11-2010, 19:46
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God you wouldn't believe that both these late 20 somethings were actually part of the same group would you
Clearly Girl's Aloud standing in the pop world will suffer from all this / legacy.They still are contractually obliged to complete 2 more albums.It won't hurt Biffa that much because she can easily buy off her contractual obligations & she is still releasing on UMG label - so she can easily sort things out.As for the rest of the aging late 20 somethings
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Old 09-11-2010, 20:09
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If Jamiroquai can get a slot on X Factor why not Nadine? Surely Cheryl Coel must ahve stuck the knife in. Or possibly becuase Tesco doesnt quite have the push that Universal has
You'd have thought Mary could've pulled some strings.
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Old 09-11-2010, 20:21
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I'm rather amused by the conept of someone who was a member of one of the biggest girlbands of the last ten years, who made their name via a saturday night tv show with millions of viewers complaining about lack of exposure.

She was only able to promote her single via chat shows! Poor wee soul.

She might not have the media of exposure of Cheryl Cole, but lets face it she's hardly an unsigned band slugging it out in tiny venues in the hope of being noticed. You really couldn't make it up.
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Old 09-11-2010, 20:32
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I do think Nadine has a right to complain about lack of exposure and that any exposure she had was the wrong exosure.

She had virtually no radio play. Nowadays with the absence of music shows (e.g. CD UK, Top of the Pops) radio play is essential to be a success. If none of the radio stations play your song than no one will know it or remember it to buy it. Nadine was played once on radio 1 leading up to the singles release, in contrast Cheryl was A listed and played thousands of times. "Insatiable" ,though not the greatest track, is a track that is not instantly catchy but grows on you. With more plays more people may have liked the track.

Nadine did receive some media input but it was largely negative and highly biased. One paper stated she was as likeable as a "case of malaria" and she has been heavily blamed for the Girls Aloud split. Unfortunately a large number of the record buying public (teenagers) listen to the media and others and are not prepared to buy music that is regarded as "sad" or unpopular. The papers negative representation of Nadine and her music has therefore made it very difficult for her.
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Old 09-11-2010, 20:39
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Is it not though a case of live by the sword die by the sword?

She was on the right side of all the hype and publicity that reality tv brings with GA and popstars the rivals, now she is on the wrong side of it she is crying foul.

Cheryl Cole has just played the fickle game of fame a little better than she has.
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Old 09-11-2010, 23:17
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God you wouldn't believe that both these late 20 somethings were actually part of the same group would you
Clearly Girl's Aloud standing in the pop world will suffer from all this / legacy.They still are contractually obliged to complete 2 more albums.It won't hurt Biffa that much because she can easily buy off her contractual obligations & she is still releasing on UMG label - so she can easily sort things out.As for the rest of the aging late 20 somethings
They signed up for 3 more albums with Polydor/Fascination, but apparently didn't take an advance. It's basically an insurance policy for the label so they can't go elsewhere if they do decide to reunite at some point. They aren't obliged to get back together though.
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Old 09-11-2010, 23:22
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I really hope they do get back together to record some more albums, with the same song writing team as I think Girls Aloud and their music are brilliant! I don't care much at all for Cheryl's bland solo music and Nadine's album is a disappointment to me too. I find the music so dull. But Girls Aloud music is terrific, imo.
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Old 09-11-2010, 23:22
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The rest of Girls Aloud do seem to be putting out the message that they are unhappy with her, which has damaged her publicity campaign. Sarah Harding especially had virtually disappeared from the public eye this year until Nadine started to promote her song, then suddenly she's back in the GA fold for X Factor, a party at her house, Pride of Britain awards tonight. It's made things awkward for Nadine that they are suddenly everywhere as a foursome, as she is the one expected to defend why she is not with them.
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Old 09-11-2010, 23:24
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I really hope they do get back together to record some more albums, with the same song writing team as I think Girls Aloud and their music are brilliant! I don't care much at all for Cheryl's bland solo music and Nadine's album is a disappointment to me too. I find the music so dull. But Girls Aloud music is terrific, imo.
I think Xenomania have split, Miranda (main songwriter) has left anyway
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Old 09-11-2010, 23:25
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I think Xenomania have split, Miranda (main songwriter) has left anyway
Dammit! I think they wrote some of the best classic pop songs ever!
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Old 09-11-2010, 23:55
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Dammit! I think they wrote some of the best classic pop songs ever!
They basically did most of the decent pop of the last ten years. e.g

Round Round - Sugababes
Sound of the Underground - Girls Aloud
left my heart in tokyo - mini viva

And have to take some credit for the next great hope of half decent pop - florrie

However, they were also responsible for some utter musical horros such as

Believe - Cher

So not all bad news.
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Old 10-11-2010, 04:17
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Nadine is not big enough to appear on the X-Factor. I don't know why people think she could, and why she said she wouldn't... perhaps because she knew she wouldn't?

She is definitely right about Cheryl having the X-Factor behind her. Cheryl's success is clearly down to the X-Factor. Alone, she wouldn't have had the success she has at the moment. Anyone denying this is, well, in denial. However, she is clearly jealous. Who wouldn't be? I would...

Then again, Nadine has reality TV to thank for her name being known in the first place. She'll flop anyway. Bad decisions, poor music and Cheryl having all the lime light.
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