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What's so bad about Sandeesh??
Krule
11-11-2010
Sandeesh seems to be getting the most criticism so far on this show, with many people arguing that she contributes least on tasks. But I'm still failing to see what's so bad about her...the main thing I can see is that she isn't as loud as the others and hasn't been as keen to put herself forward for things. But it's not like she's been particularly abrasive, rubbed people up the wrong way, unproffessional or made any stupid decisions, which is not something that can be said about many of the other candidates.

She's definitely played it on the safe side yes, but does that necessarily mean she's not doing as much work as everyone else?

Take today's task for instance. There were a few key roles to be filled in the task. One is coming up with the idea, which is just a discussion around the table; another is product design; another is direction of the video, and another is presentation. The direction can only be done by one person, the product design was outside of her control (since handled by Alex and Laura). What else is there to do but help out and support the others in their efforts as best as she can?

It seems 'contribution' in this show is assessed based on 1) volunteering for things (for which you may or may not be right for) 2) simply shouting the loudest and voicing your opinion on every matter just for the sake of it or 3) individual sales targets (despite the fact that they're supposedly working in a team).

Given the show is about business talent, shouldn't the focus also be on business acumen, people skills, presentation skills, decision making, passion, etc.

I'm not saying she has those things, and maybe she doesn't, but I think there is a serious misalignment in the show between what they assess as 'contribution' to the tasks, and how hard someone actually works in the task and how [u]effective and supportive they are as a member of that team.


One other thing, she is often criticised for the bread making task where she moaned a lot. This is where the three of them were in the factory and that surgeon made the moronic decision to just take any quantity of order received, and for products not even on their list - so they were basically given an impossible order to fill and she clearly saw that as an attempt to later lay blame on them when it all went tits up. Both the other guys felt the same and agreed with her, and rightly so, but she didn't have the sense to not moan too much on camera as they did. So I think that shouldn't be a reflection on her contribition to that task, she still worked as hard as the other two all day in that factory did she not?
-Sid-
11-11-2010
Sandeesh just doesn't seem to have much get-up-and-go.

I don't expect her to be hyper all the time, but she doesn't express much enthusiasm and she's not very proactive.

Yes her pitch was adequate but so it should be if she's supposed to represent the best of Britain's businesspeople. And she had a lot of assistance. Her own version that we heard beforehand was poor.

I just don't find Sandeesh inspiring.
thenetworkbabe
11-11-2010
Originally Posted by Krule:
“Sandeesh seems to be getting the most criticism so far on this show, with many people arguing that she contributes least on tasks. But I'm still failing to see what's so bad about her...the main thing I can see is that she isn't as loud as the others and hasn't been as keen to put herself forward for things. But it's not like she's been particularly abrasive, rubbed people up the wrong way, unproffessional or made any stupid decisions, which is not something that can be said about many of the other candidates.

She's definitely played it on the safe side yes, but does that necessarily mean she's not doing as much work as everyone else?

Take today's task for instance. There were a few key roles to be filled in the task. One is coming up with the idea, which is just a discussion around the table; another is product design; another is direction of the video, and another is presentation. The direction can only be done by one person, the product design was outside of her control (since handled by Alex and Laura). What else is there to do but help out and support the others in their efforts as best as she can?

It seems 'contribution' in this show is assessed based on 1) volunteering for things (for which you may or may not be right for) 2) simply shouting the loudest and voicing your opinion on every matter just for the sake of it or 3) individual sales targets (despite the fact that they're supposedly working in a team).

Given the show is about business talent, shouldn't the focus also be on business acumen, people skills, presentation skills, decision making, passion, etc.

I'm not saying she has those things, and maybe she doesn't, but I think there is a serious misalignment in the show between what they assess as 'contribution' to the tasks, and how hard someone actually works in the task and how [u]effective and supportive they are as a member of that team.


One other thing, she is often criticised for the bread making task where she moaned a lot. This is where the three of them were in the factory and that surgeon made the moronic decision to just take any quantity of order received, and for products not even on their list - so they were basically given an impossible order to fill and she clearly saw that as an attempt to later lay blame on them when it all went tits up. Both the other guys felt the same and agreed with her, and rightly so, but she didn't have the sense to not moan too much on camera as they did. So I think that shouldn't be a reflection on her contribition to that task, she still worked as hard as the other two all day in that factory did she not?”

Indeed and Liz made the same decision on the bread making task.

The stand up and be counted argument got even sillier tonight because his Lordship told Chris off for standing up and taking over the advert when it wasn't in his comfort zone. If you sit or stand up you now are in danger - presumably depending on what phase of the moon it is.
Sherlock_Holmes
11-11-2010
During the last few weeks I was checking for a dog leash, as Paloma had her whipped like crazy. That alone makes her a bit rubbish (compare that with the likes of Stella and Liz, who are very independent women).

If Sandeesh is indeed the PM for her team next week (only her and Stuart have not been PM) then the only way to survive is to win the task.
Sammy2
11-11-2010
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“Sandeesh just doesn't seem to have much get-up-and-go.

I don't expect her to be hyper all the time, but she doesn't express much enthusiasm and she's not very proactive.

Yes her pitch was adequate but so it should be if she's supposed to represent the best of Britain's businesspeople. And she had a lot of assistance. Her own version that we heard beforehand was poor.

I just don't find Sandeesh inspiring.”

Agree with this
I had a feeling she had sort of given up today though shown by when Alex asked her to hear a practice version of her pitch she sighed and said 'ok then' (or words to that effect) in a dejected way

Not sure I've seen her smile either...

Interesting that if Lord Sugar thinks you've brought in a candidate possibly on his backlog of candidates to be fired rather than who did worst in the task you get in trouble for it - I don't remember him being like that in series gone by
katkim
11-11-2010
I think if you give Sandeesh a specific task with clear instructions, she is capable. However, she doesn’t step up and put herself forward, she doesn’t she seem to have much enthusiasm, independence or creativity whatever role she's been given, nor has she really excelled at anything. With most of the other candidates, we’ve had flashes of brilliants (Alex may be a disaster, but he thought of and arranged the ad on the big screen, Melissa may be gobby and annoying but she struck out her own in the cheese task and sought out a restaurant owner in Convent Garden to bulk buy her cheese, Chris may be monotone but he did convince the baby-gro lady to go with his team and he did sell that hideous tie dress etc etc I don’t think Sandeesh has had a moment where she’s shined yet. I’m not including the pitching because her original pitch was bad until the others chipped in and helped out)

As Lord Alan says the winner isn’t going to be a Steady Eddie or a Cautious Carol, which she is, because that’s not inspirational or characteristic of an entrepreneur.

I think the criticisms are valid, but to be fair they should also apply to Laura and Stuart The Brand as well imo as I think they are in the same boat as Sandeesh. I think she's a good worker and in any company will do fine, but not the Apprentice.
Mrs Spratt
11-11-2010
Sandeesh has survived the boardroom at least twice (I can't remember how often she's been in) which shows one of the required skills - she certainly sticks up for herself in an assertive way rather than turning aggressive like Paloma and a few others. That is actually quite a strong skill since you'll spend a lot of your time in management having difficult meetings!

She isn't exactly 'flying under the radar' and her lack of input to tasks has already been noticed by LordAlun, but on the other hand, he obviously doesn't feel he has to get rid of her as soon as she gets called back to the boardroom.

I'm not saying she'll win - unless she comes up with something different from what we've already seen - but I think she probably has a lot more skills in terms of the underlying task of staying in the process each week than we realise from what we see.
vidalia
11-11-2010
I suspect that Sandeesh and Chris both have such captivating eyes that they can hypnotise Lord Sugar into keeping them in.
ESPIONdansant
11-11-2010
I am warming to her. Somewhat slowly. She isn't as rampant an egomaniac as some of the others and I can't believe Lordalan really wants more than a glorified lackey. Nick and Karren only speak when spoken to. You don't see them getting to make any decisions.

She pitched well and does as she's told. Hasn't yet shot herself in the foot and can be supportive. I could see her in some roles whereas Melissa and Alex would quickly enrage/irritate colleagues beyond endurance in whatever position they held.
Skip_Tech
11-11-2010
the eyes, oooh the eyes
diary_room
11-11-2010
She comes across as lazy, argumentative, not very clever, moany, negative and lacking in drive and energy.

She seems like secretary material and would be a quite annoying one at that, I think.
Dix
11-11-2010
Originally Posted by Krule:
“Sandeesh seems to be getting the most criticism so far on this show, with many people arguing that she contributes least on tasks. But I'm still failing to see what's so bad about her...the main thing I can see is that she isn't as loud as the others and hasn't been as keen to put herself forward for things. But it's not like she's been particularly abrasive, rubbed people up the wrong way, unproffessional or made any stupid decisions, which is not something that can be said about many of the other candidates.

She's definitely played it on the safe side yes, but does that necessarily mean she's not doing as much work as everyone else?

Take today's task for instance. There were a few key roles to be filled in the task. One is coming up with the idea, which is just a discussion around the table; another is product design; another is direction of the video, and another is presentation. The direction can only be done by one person, the product design was outside of her control (since handled by Alex and Laura). What else is there to do but help out and support the others in their efforts as best as she can?

It seems 'contribution' in this show is assessed based on 1) volunteering for things (for which you may or may not be right for) 2) simply shouting the loudest and voicing your opinion on every matter just for the sake of it or 3) individual sales targets (despite the fact that they're supposedly working in a team).

Given the show is about business talent, shouldn't the focus also be on business acumen, people skills, presentation skills, decision making, passion, etc.

I'm not saying she has those things, and maybe she doesn't, but I think there is a serious misalignment in the show between what they assess as 'contribution' to the tasks, and how hard someone actually works in the task and how [u]effective and supportive they are as a member of that team.


One other thing, she is often criticised for the bread making task where she moaned a lot. This is where the three of them were in the factory and that surgeon made the moronic decision to just take any quantity of order received, and for products not even on their list - so they were basically given an impossible order to fill and she clearly saw that as an attempt to later lay blame on them when it all went tits up. Both the other guys felt the same and agreed with her, and rightly so, but she didn't have the sense to not moan too much on camera as they did. So I think that shouldn't be a reflection on her contribition to that task, she still worked as hard as the other two all day in that factory did she not?”

One thing re Sandeesh is that she uses her eyes to express any feelings she has, so she doesn't have to actually speak a lot. If you look back at the clips, you'll see how much she expresses herself using her eyes. She can be as sly as any of them.
Reggie Rebel
11-11-2010
I find her very negative, in a team environment that eventually wears everyone else down
Tfan26
11-11-2010
Sandeesh has survived the boardroom 3 times so she might be a dark horse in the making BUT she can come across as boring and unenergetic though that doesn't take away from her business skills.
lorry
11-11-2010
Originally Posted by diary_room:
“She comes across as lazy, argumentative, not very clever, moany, negative and lacking in drive and energy.

She seems like secretary material and would be a quite annoying one at that, I think.”

I agree completely with your first point but not the second! She wouldn't get very far as a secretary with those attributes.
Lysandar
11-11-2010
I think Sandeesh is inately lazy.
She should be a houri in a seraglio.
Lukey37
11-11-2010
She never contribute to the group winning a task nor does she contribute to the group losing a task.

She is just there. She does just exactly what is asked of her. She never feels she has to contribute, use any initiative or go above and beyond.
tonydancer
11-11-2010
Well she'll have to contribute next week, because surely her number's finally coming up to be PM. She and Stuart.
wendy09
11-11-2010
behind those eyes theres quite a nasty person residing.
Quizmike
12-11-2010
I heart Sandeesh and want her to spend the rest of her life with me.

However, she really is a bit rubbish at this Apprentice lark.

DavetheScot
13-11-2010
Originally Posted by Krule:
“One other thing, she is often criticised for the bread making task where she moaned a lot. This is where the three of them were in the factory and that surgeon made the moronic decision to just take any quantity of order received, and for products not even on their list - so they were basically given an impossible order to fill and she clearly saw that as an attempt to later lay blame on them when it all went tits up. Both the other guys felt the same and agreed with her, and rightly so, but she didn't have the sense to not moan too much on camera as they did. So I think that shouldn't be a reflection on her contribition to that task, she still worked as hard as the other two all day in that factory did she not?”

I think it was her attitude that looked so bad. "We're not doing his stupid order" or words to that effect. Frankly there was more reason to fire her over Shibby than there ever was to fire Joy over Laura.

I have come to like her, and I'd like her to stay as long as possible, but that's still my opinion.
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