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Old 11-11-2010, 12:41
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For every reason she should be huge, was it the wrong choice of song? 'Insatiable'' many have said they do not like and that it's dated, the video was poor. What song do you think should have been her lead single?

Last week, No.26 with 11,392 sales - the single

This week the album with 3,500 sales (up to Weds) - the album
at No.43 at the moment



That's really badly underperforming - the album, what does this mean?

She has never mimed a single performance - that can't be it

She has sang live everywhere - that's good!


So what it is? The album even is amazing it self, very varied and she has a huge profile being in Girls Aloud and also should have the GA fanbase as a backup but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymTzCHmYy1U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWD1_lC59j0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwpZ1RxEUAs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlsTpKCqW7c
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Old 11-11-2010, 12:50
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For every reason she should be huge, was it the wrong choice of song? 'Insatiable'' many have said they do not like and that it's dated, the video was poor. What song do you think should have been her lead single?

Last week, No.26 with 11,392 sales - the single

This week the album with 3,500 sales (up to Weds) - the album
at No.43 at the moment



That's really badly underperforming - the album, what does this mean?

She has never mimed a single performance - that can't be it

She has sang live everywhere - that's good!


So what it is? The album even is amazing it self, very varied and she has a huge profile being in Girls Aloud and also should have the GA fanbase as a backup but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymTzCHmYy1U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWD1_lC59j0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwpZ1RxEUAs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlsTpKCqW7c
Doing an exclusive deal with Tesco was her biggest - and stupidest - mistake.

She isolates herself from the rest of Girls Aloud which - rightly or wrongly - makes her come across as a bitch.

Insatiable is a good song, but not to start your career with.

She banned it from the Radio 1 playlist.

She barely promoted it in the UK, only on mumsy, middle-aged magazine shows which are totally not her audience.


It's so obvious why it's all gone wrong, it's amazing she couldn't forsee it - which in itself suggests arrogance.
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Old 11-11-2010, 16:30
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Doing an exclusive deal with Tesco was her biggest - and stupidest - mistake.

She isolates herself from the rest of Girls Aloud which - rightly or wrongly - makes her come across as a bitch.

Insatiable is a good song, but not to start your career with.

She banned it from the Radio 1 playlist.
She barely promoted it in the UK, only on mumsy, middle-aged magazine shows which are totally not her audience.


It's so obvious why it's all gone wrong, it's amazing she couldn't forsee it - which in itself suggests arrogance.
Really!? What a cock up!
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Old 11-11-2010, 16:49
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1) Portrayed as the bitch of Girls Aloud and as not very likeable.

2) Turned down major lables and started her own because she wanted 'creative control' and releasing through Tesco only.

3) Moves to the US, keeps out of the lime light and expects the UK and Ireland to still care about her when she returns for their money.

4) Awful accent that makes her hard to understand when speaking and singing. Is she Northen Irish, Irish or American or what? Seemingly ashamed to be from the UK i.e forcing the lable to have the Irish tri-colour on the GA Greatest Hits, despite the tri-colour having nothing to do with her and the Union Flag being her nations flag just as much as the other girls.

5) Weak first single. Very good album track but not good enough for lead single.

6) Lack of essential radio and video play - important!

I brought her album though because I felt sorry for her. I'm liking the first half but at the moment the second half is just dull.
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Old 11-11-2010, 16:59
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Cheryl Cole/Simon Cowell orchestrated bad press - EVERY newspaper/showbiz writer seems to lick Cole's behind and slate Nadine at every opportunity
The Tesco deal is ridiculous
People see her as a bitch (see point 1)
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Old 11-11-2010, 18:00
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UPDATE: A few weeks back, I read an article somewhere which stated that Nadine Coyle had banned her debut single 'Insatiable' from the Radio 1 playlist.

I definitely saw this article somewhere, possibly a newspaper, possibly online. However, having tried, I cannot find any such article online, for example to provide a link with. Therefore I cannot prove any such article ever existed. However, there are plenty of articles online stating that her debut single failed to make the Radio 1 playlist.

This does strike me as bizarre, seeing as Radio 1 invited her onto the Scott Mills show, where she gave an interview and her debut single was premiered. But that is not the point.

I want to apologise to anyone who either believed or denied my claim that she herself had her debut single banned from Radio 1, a claim I did see myself but cannot back up.

However, I stand firmly by anything else I have said about Nadine Coyle.


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Old 11-11-2010, 18:22
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I'm really confused to why people think she should be huge? She's releasing very average music with limited promotion and made a bad decision in regards to the Tesco deal.

All that signals... not doing well.
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Old 11-11-2010, 19:01
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There is no chance she would ban it from the Radio 1 playlist. Every artist wants to be on there. They just didn't playlist it so her PR are trying to spin it into her doing.
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Old 11-11-2010, 19:21
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To be honest a poster on Digital Spy made that up! she never said that nor has spun on it, someone said it, someone else read it and took it for the truth and then here we are... There's no way she banned it! she visited Scott Mills, Vernon Kay on Radio 1 and Graham Norton on Radio 2 obviously to encourage them to play the song, but Radio 1 was always very tough on Girls Aloud at the start and the only reason they playlist Cheryl is because she is mega-massive. They use to snub Girls Aloud well.

I blame the song and the video. She's far from hated unlike what the press want people to believe. Considering all the factors involved she is slightly underperforming but then again she has done very low rated shows with the wrong demographic viewership, it's a shame - the problem is the show's she needs like CDUK, TOTP and Johnathan Ross are not on the air anymore.

Why shouldn't she be huge? Because she can sing AMAZINGLY well. Probably no Mariah/Whitney but she is marginally better than the majority of female artists doing well in the UK, always sings live, doesn't want to mime, wrote all her own songs, and has down her whole album herself, had hands in the production and even hired some of the bands and stuff playing in her songs herself.

I think the choose wrong with Insatiable being the lead, they thought people would like the ''whoooah, who knew'' parts but it didn't take.

She has 3 very good single worthy songs that would be huge if she did them right - Youtube them for those who don't have them, PUT YOUR HANDS UP, RED LIGHT and LULLABY. Also RUNNIN' is also amazing too.

A shame, but they need to rush a 2nd single ASAP..

The problem is she needs a very good stylist, needs to showcase the songs on her album that are more dancey than ballads, as thats what selling right now in the UK!
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Old 11-11-2010, 19:24
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Lots and lots and lots of people can singing amazingly well. It doesn't mean their music is any thing to boast about.

She also has no real place in the market. I mean, I could probably name 20 female solo acts off the top of my head without thinking too hard about it.

Music has never been just about a voice, well, at least for the most.

She's probably over before she began simply down to all the silly decisions she has made. The only thing backing her up is she is signed to herself, so she can't be dropped. That's not to say she won't stop, though... she'll need to at least break even otherwise it'd be worthless.
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Old 11-11-2010, 19:27
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The only silly decision they made is choosing Insatiable as the lead single.

She had three very good songs on her album that could have been floorfillers. How would Alexandra Burke be doing right now? if she was just doing ballads/mid tempo's. She needs to inject some personality in it. It's not too late for her management and her to rescue this, they just need to realize that Insatiable (the single) has failed to promote the album.

Songs that can promote the album very well are

LULLABY

PUT YOUR HANDS UP (rumored to be her next single)

RED LIGHT

RUNNIN'
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Old 11-11-2010, 21:23
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I listened to my album preview and found it all very average and designed to fit the industry. Very generic and she really doesn't communicate her personality (if she has one)
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Old 11-11-2010, 23:41
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I think she is just about getting the right amount of success from the album if you measure it up against her abilities / relevence to music at the moment.
As for Biffa she is grossly over-performing measured by these same criteria (saying this as there seems to be many Girl's Aloud fans who have drawn the lines between liking one or the other - you can like both you know )
Don't think there is any difference what Biffa is doing in trying to maintain her solo success than Coyle is.I would think Biffa is probably stiring things up the rest of the Girl's Aloud late 20 year olds against Coyle - she is probably saying to them she would rejoin the Girl's Aloud & that Coyle is stopping that from happening.Truth is there is no chance of Biffa giving up her solo career at the moment - even though she is probably saying to the other late 20 somethings she would.If what I am saying is true - it is a despicable & two faced thing to do.

It also must be remembered that Coyle is getting probably triple the amount of earnings back from each unit sold(as they call it in the music industry) as she is on a indie label.She doesn't need to sell as much if you are counting her success in monatory terms alone.Doing fairly well monatory wise isn't going to help her standing in the media though which will bring in the big bucks further down the line.
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Old 11-11-2010, 23:54
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So Tesco is only place selling the album?

Ouch!
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Old 12-11-2010, 00:08
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So Tesco is only place selling the album?

Ouch!
It was an exclusive deal for them to sell it only... it might appear elsewhere in coming weeks if the deal is a temporary one. Still, it's really done damage to her. She isn't known enough for people to venture into Tesco to buy it and she isn't "housewife" enough (Westlife, Buble etc...) for people to pop it in their trolley when shopping without really thinking.

I was at my local Tesco earlier today and it appeared that not one of her albums had sold. I seen a spare slot on the display, but then I seen that the album had just fallen over!

Nadine has only sold 3,500 copies of the album and is currently at number 43 in the chart. Ouch.
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Old 12-11-2010, 00:09
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So Tesco is only place selling the album?

Ouch!
If Tesco ploughed money into a big TV marketing campaign it would have helped.They were never going to do that though were they as they get only a proportion of the sales.Although perhaps larger proportion because they had exclusive selling rights to the jewel cased C.D. (but not the downloads).They might have paid an upfront fee to Coyle / her record label to get those exclusive rights even.They were never going to get larger enough profits from the C.D. to justify a massive TV promotion though (there has been a few adverts of Coyle though - not many I don't think).Very few artists sell enough to get that kind of promotion - otherwise we would be seeing more of it on TV anyway.
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Old 12-11-2010, 13:27
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Seemingly ashamed to be from the UK i.e forcing the lable to have the Irish tri-colour on the GA Greatest Hits, despite the tri-colour having nothing to do with her and the Union Flag being her nations flag just as much as the other girls.
That's incredibly insensitive of you.

I'm not a Nadine fan (don't actually like her at all) but a person from Northern Ireland has every right to want the Irish flag involved.
And saying "despite the tri-colour having nothing to do with her " is actually a bit sickening and insulting.
Maybe they should have had no flag at all if it was such a big deal.
Please don't be so black and white about things you clearly don't understand.
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Old 12-11-2010, 13:38
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I wouldnt buy a single that was under tesco only rights....its like buying a value brand can of beans
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Old 12-11-2010, 14:39
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Seemingly ashamed to be from the UK i.e forcing the lable to have the Irish tri-colour on the GA Greatest Hits, despite the tri-colour having nothing to do with her and the Union Flag being her nations flag just as much as the other girls.
People in NI are granted dual nationality and are able to refer to themselves as British or Irish, whichever they choose. Hence, if she considers herself Irish, and being a Catholic from Derry, why wouldn't she?, she had every right to have a Tri-Colour on the cover to represent her just as much as the Union flag was there to represent the other girls.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
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Old 12-11-2010, 15:51
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why are there so many threads on this?

no one really likes her, thats why. There's no 'buzz'.
plus, she has no use of autotune, or a rapper to pay a hand.
she's doomed to fail.
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Old 12-11-2010, 16:22
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People in NI are granted dual nationality and are able to refer to themselves as British or Irish, whichever they choose. Hence, if she considers herself Irish, and being a Catholic from Derry, why wouldn't she?, she had every right to have a Tri-Colour on the cover to represent her just as much as the Union flag was there to represent the other girls.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
I am fully aware of the dual nationality rule but the tri-colour is the flag of the REPUBLIC of Ireland not NORTHEN Ireland, the country she is from. And yes she does consider herself Irish, therefore seemlingly ashamed to be British so my point still stands. The whole flag thing was just a point to back that up.
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Old 12-11-2010, 16:26
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I'm amazed that as part of her Tesco deal, that there weren't more tv spots, that's the point right?
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Old 12-11-2010, 16:31
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She was the one DYING to release a solo album while having massive success with Girls Aloud.

If you ask me , she's getting exactly what she deserves.

I hope she is enjoying her solo stint. I bet she can't wait to get back into the group. Oh the irony.
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Old 12-11-2010, 16:33
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I am fully aware of the dual nationality rule but the tri-colour is the flag of the REPUBLIC of Ireland not NORTHEN Ireland, the country she is from. And yes she does consider herself Irish, therefore seemlingly ashamed to be British so my point still stands. The whole flag thing was just a point to back that up.
Erm no.

I'm a catholic from Belfast and there is no way I'd hve had a British flag representing me on an album.

She, like alot of us, sees herself as Irish. And with the good Friday agreement she's Irish not only by personal opinion, but by law. She wants a flag that represents her identity and nationality - it's nothing to do with being ashamed of being British.....it's just that she's Irish.
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Old 12-11-2010, 16:35
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1) Portrayed as the bitch of Girls Aloud and as not very likeable.

2) Turned down major lables and started her own because she wanted 'creative control' and releasing through Tesco only.

3) Moves to the US, keeps out of the lime light and expects the UK and Ireland to still care about her when she returns for their money.

4) Awful accent that makes her hard to understand when speaking and singing. Is she Northen Irish, Irish or American or what? Seemingly ashamed to be from the UK i.e forcing the lable to have the Irish tri-colour on the GA Greatest Hits, despite the tri-colour having nothing to do with her and the Union Flag being her nations flag just as much as the other girls.

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I agree that some of your points are probably reasons why people dislike Nadine. I personally cannot understand why people believe she is a "bitch". She has always come across quite well in interviews and I have heard from people on the internet that she is really friendly to the fans. In terms of Girls Aloud, it appears to me as if the other girls are bullying Nadine. They constantly hint that she is behind the split and are deliberately photographed together without her, than by their admission ignore her texts and do not bother to wish her luck. As other posters have stated Cheryl's career is not exactly helping the reformation of Girls Aloud.

I also cannot understand why people dislike her for living in L.A. Nadine was never from England anyway, it is not her home. She simply travelled to the England for work with the band. I think she should have travelled back to the UK earlier for promotion but I do not think she should have to live here. Nadine's whole family and boyfriend live in L.A. (unlike the rest of Girls Aloud whose families live in the UK). Nadine is only human, why should she have to live in the UK miles from her family just to sell a few more records. Many English born stars do not live in the UK as they do not like the stress of constant recognition and they do not want to pay extortionate taxes.

I agree that her accent can be a hindrance. Her accent is very strong and it maybe difficult to get a casual music lover to warm to her if they have difficulty understanding her.

I personally think Nadine has made many mistakes which have damaged her career. She should not have released the record through Tesco, this seriously damaged her sales. I know she wanted complete creative control, but I think a compromise would have been better and she would have got better material and promotion using a big label. A large label is probably needed when an artist is just starting out, they can always take full creative control once their career has taken off. I believe Nadine (and Ruth Lorenzo, another artist I like who left a large label to be independent) may have shot herself in the foot by releasing independently.

Nadine also needed more promotion to sell well. She should have returned to the UK earlier (not on the week prior to release) and begun promotion and getting herself in the media. I also feel that she should have released at least one more single before releasing the album. Many an album has not performed too well off the back of one single, but improved after subsequent singles (Pink- I'm not dead, Gabrielle-Rise, Little Boots-Hands). Even Girls Aloud didn't usually release an album off the back of one single (only Out of Control).

Sound of the Underground - 2 singles
What Will the Neighbours Say - 4 singles (if include Jump)
Chemistry - 2 singles (See the Day was also just about to be released)
Tangled Up - 2 singles
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