I don't think their jive was undermarked, she danced it poorly. That said I do agree that the other 2 jives were overmarked.

If it is Pamela, it is possible. If it is anyone else (well apart from Anne), it is the right thing to do.

To be fair, I thought her behaviour after the jive was fairly normal. A bit down, but trying hard to improve (she didn't complain about the judges comments at any time).


I think she wasn't undermarked either, but her position was wrong as their were other jives who had less jive content and quite a few mistakes. However, in that week the judges decided that performance rather than technique was important.

That has hit the nail on the head.

I totally agree with the quote posted by Cassie above. I think James has realised he isn't one of the top 3 and is getting frustrated with Pamela cos he wants to win so bad. There is no doubt from watching the interviews that the shine has come off the partnership.

If there's one thing I've noticed from all the VTs of Pamela and James it is that they are, more than the other couples, acutely aware of the cameras and play up to them. Of course this is just my interpretation and I appreciate that not everybody will see the same thing, but I think they are getting a kick out of winding up the public. In both the dance practices that have taken place on the Strictly set featuring them (on ITT on a Friday evening), they have deliberately put in something funny to make it look as if they hadn't mastered the dance. As I recall, on one occasion, Pamela made a mistake, they stopped dancing and Pamela immediately started doing push-ups while James looked on in disapproval. You can't tell me that one wasn't staged for the cameras! They did something similar the second time, too.

I should add that I'm not criticising them for this, far from it. I think it's a healthy attitude to have. They know that they will be judged by the public not just for their dancing but about how we perceive them to be, so are getting some fun out of it.

I agree that James wants to win and is very competitive. I dont think Pamela is desperate to win and do think she wants to have a good time on the show. She seems to me to be regularly redirecting James away from taking it too seriously.

She hasn't put out much psycho-babble on SCD.

They did seem a bit out of sync on their last ITT, but I dont think its anything serious or lasting, and I think they both like each other and get on very well despite both having very strong opinions.

May well be James trying to do what Ola & Chris did last year. And he has completely forgotten it must be natural (or at least appear so). Pam being older and wiser is possibly trying (yet failing) to stop him.

I don't know, OP, what *has* happened between Pamela and James? Nothing of note, so far as I can see.

May just be something as daft as a tiff over the music.

Yes, I totally agree with this. I loved her first waltz and was rooting for her initially - thought it was great that someone of 60 was a contender. But all the drooling/ 'sexual chemistry with James' nonsense is just embarrassing.

I feel so sorry for James!

If some male contestant had written about Ola what Pamela writes about James, he'd be missing limbs by now. So it's only right really that James be annoyed about what Pamela is writing about him. I'm sure she only means it in fun, but I find it rather disrespectful.

I also think James is not especially good at managing the insecurities and weaknesses of his partners. We've seen this a few times in the past when things started to go wrong with his celebs- he doesn't know how to build them back up. I'm guessing Ola is the tough one in that relationship!

Agree.

I so agree , or indeed if a male contestant rattled on about his female pro in that way there would be war waged on DS against him

Can I just ask what she wrote. Did she say he was horrible or that she didn't like him? Or did she letch over him like most of us do on here about the male/female professionals.

Fairly explicit letching and way too much info. Yes, like people do on here but the point is he doesn't then have to face us in the training room, let alone Ola!

The thing is, when couples (married, living together, dating) have this kind of relationship they tend to have a great sex life as an 'outlet' for the inevitable tension build up (christ, i'm sounding like Pammie). James & Pam don't have the option of that outlet and may eventually (if not already) find this type of relationship difficult to keep up (no pun intended)

Of course as others have suggested they may just be playing the game
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By the same token the strong marriages that both Pam & James have allows for this type of behaviour as they both have their real life to go back to. They both know it is play acting.

Remember how vulnerable and self concious Ali became when she and Brian got together. Pam & James lack this real sexual tension that makes dancing close difficult in public when you are not trained to do so.

Absolutely, they may have no problem at all. On the other hand you don't want to be thinking of someone else when sleeping with your spouse (which would be possible with that kind of tension build up).

I'm not saying that any of this is the case with James and Pam

I think they're just going through an off phase at the moment. Only difference is that they trying to pretend otherwise. It's the exact opposite of Kara & Artem but Pamela & James aren't alone in doing this - practically every Strictly couple does it, so I don't hold it against them specifically. They want to appear like it's all fun all the time so the public don't think they're 'difficult' and that's understandable but what they don't seem to realise is that appearing fake is more damaging that going through grumpy/off periods.

Ola was using sex and chemistry with Chris last year as well, I don't think she has a problem with other women letching over James! Those two are made of sterner stuff.

I've not read it, but I'm honest I probably wouldn't have a problem with that. I'm quite open about letching about someone, and I give everyone else the right to do the same thing as well. I would never blame someone for something I'm quite happy to do myself, that would be hypocrital. Actually it's quite refreshing in my eyes that she is honest. They work together for weeks, we already have our showmance with Kara and Artem and we had other showmances before (if you dance with someone so intimitately, you probably develop "improper" (I would call them proper) thoughts).

I think James is old enough to tell her off, if she becomes inappropriate (I find this "feeling sorry for James" a bit strange). As people, even if we are in a healthy loving relationship we still windowshop and letch (as we do on here), the difference is that Pamela is more open about it and less "fake" than others. Of course some people might have a problem that she is 25 years older or thereabouts than James and should have given up any such inappriate thoughts about the other sex (after all she is 60; surely everything must have dried up). I'm sure if Kara letched over Artem nobody would bat an eyelid and would find it cute.

To be honest I feel pretty much as you do. But then I remember I did think some of Paul Daniels comments re Ola were pretty distasteful and creepy. Therefore if that's my reaction to an older man letching over a younger woman I can understand some people's objections to it the other way round. Geese, gander etc!

Never mind Pamela and James, the thought of Chris in that way makes me feel a tad nauseous!

Of course dancing with someone who is physically attractive must create some sexual tension (hence the number of relationships the show has produced), but I think Pamela and James just aren't getting on at the moment. Maybe it's the long and arduous hours ?
Just my opinion though.

Fair enough, I wasn't too bothered about Paul's comments either, and I commented on that, so I'm not inconsistent either (Ola seemed to take it in the spirit it was intended to, just a bit of harmless fun). I don't mind Brucie's jokes either. Sex is part of our life, and to a certain degree I understand that people that are older, sometimes don't feel older. I'm 36 now (I still feel a lot younger), and I recently realised that I quite like Clyde from the Sarah Jane Adventures (I felt like a Paedophile, until I found out he was 23; still too young for me really but not too young to letch over him).


I think that is a possibility, halfway through they are getting tired.