Just watched it, gob smacked that got 9's. I was waiting for them to rip him a new one for the obvious errors and they were all over him, what?
Gavin, over-marked?
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Originally Posted by VWgirl:
“Can anyone shed any light on the odd bit in the middle of Gavin's dance, where he appeared to stumble backwards with one leg in the air, and then proceeded to waste a few seconds trying to get back into the routine?
It looked like a major error to me (of the same ilk as Pamela's 'recovery' from her spin), but not one of the judges mentioned it. It didn't look like it was choreographed (or if it was, it was phenomenally clumsy).
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“Can anyone shed any light on the odd bit in the middle of Gavin's dance, where he appeared to stumble backwards with one leg in the air, and then proceeded to waste a few seconds trying to get back into the routine?
It looked like a major error to me (of the same ilk as Pamela's 'recovery' from her spin), but not one of the judges mentioned it. It didn't look like it was choreographed (or if it was, it was phenomenally clumsy).
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I'm pretty certain they showed this bit being rehearsed in the training VT so I think it was part of the routine although I thought the look of concern on his face was genuine!! Did anyone notice Katya slip a couple of times...or am I imagining it??!
Originally Posted by parthena:
“I am incredulous that this was not remarked on or allowed for in the voting.
That is the impression I'm getting - not that the result is fixed, but that the judges are balancing what they aniticipate to be the public vote (not that they made much effort with Ann this week).
parthena”
“I am incredulous that this was not remarked on or allowed for in the voting.
That is the impression I'm getting - not that the result is fixed, but that the judges are balancing what they aniticipate to be the public vote (not that they made much effort with Ann this week).
parthena”
Ooh you old cynic you.
Incidentally, I completely agree. It's the only way to at least partly explain the bonkers marking.
Sorry, but was it kiss Bruno day today, Natalie just did it too. Also, was completely pointless, but only on the cheek though.
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“I agree I mentioned this on another thread I don't understand what it was all about either, a gay friend of mine was particularly annnoyed about it because he says its not helpful to the gay community.”
“I agree I mentioned this on another thread I don't understand what it was all about either, a gay friend of mine was particularly annnoyed about it because he says its not helpful to the gay community.”
Err, did you actually listen to the lyrics?
How can you not get that?
Is it because your favourite was out-comedied by at least two other couples tonight?
:yawn:I have the feeling their rehearsals were better, some of which the judges saw and would have more of an idea of the routine, without errors.
Bruno's kiss was staged, you could tell by the (early) faux shock, the way he was already out of his seat and came further. There's also no way they would have done it without Bruno's permission.
It's also helpful for Gavin's Strictly Journey that he has improved. However, he was obviously blindsided by the emotion he has for his kids.
Originally Posted by dottigirl:
“Err, did you actually listen to the lyrics?
How can you not get that?
Is it because your favourite was out-comedied by at least two other couples tonight?:yawn:
I have the feeling their rehearsals were better, some of which the judges saw and would have more of an idea of the routine, without errors.
Bruno's kiss was staged, you could tell by the (early) faux shock, the way he was already out of his seat and came further. There's also no way they would have done it without Bruno's permission.”
“Err, did you actually listen to the lyrics?
How can you not get that?
Is it because your favourite was out-comedied by at least two other couples tonight?
:yawn:I have the feeling their rehearsals were better, some of which the judges saw and would have more of an idea of the routine, without errors.
Bruno's kiss was staged, you could tell by the (early) faux shock, the way he was already out of his seat and came further. There's also no way they would have done it without Bruno's permission.”
There was nothing funny about gavin on the show.
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“There was nothing funny about gavin on the show.”
“There was nothing funny about gavin on the show.”
That's your opinion.
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“There was nothing funny about gavin on the show.”
“There was nothing funny about gavin on the show.”
That is your opinion. I would heartily disagree. So would my mother.
There was certainly nothing funny about your favourite on the show.:yawn:
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“There was nothing funny about gavin on the show.”
“There was nothing funny about gavin on the show.”
Ah but you find Ann "comedy gold". Anyone who finds her routines amusing is unlikely to appreciate the humour in Gavin and Katya's QS.
The "slip" was a deliberate part of the routine to allow the "get into hold" move.
The song is from 10 things I hate about you. The bow and greets are taken from there.
It was excellent choreography, entertaining and fun.
For some people Gav can't "win" unless he publically flogs himself on live TV and promises to save the world's kittens.
The song is from 10 things I hate about you. The bow and greets are taken from there.
It was excellent choreography, entertaining and fun.
For some people Gav can't "win" unless he publically flogs himself on live TV and promises to save the world's kittens.
The public overmarks all the time. But even Craig gave him 7, so he must have done something good. Personally I'd have prefered a straight full on quickstep, but even this funny one was good, IMO.
I thought the routine was messy, I was surprised it was classed as a quickstep, it wasn't very quick at all.
It was really overmarked he should have definately been below Pamela and Patsy who were both technically better than him in their respective dances.
9's - what nonsense. 7 maybe an 8 tops.
It was really overmarked he should have definately been below Pamela and Patsy who were both technically better than him in their respective dances.
9's - what nonsense. 7 maybe an 8 tops.
Originally Posted by tabithakitten:
“Ooh you old cynic you.
Incidentally, I completely agree. It's the only way to at least partly explain the bonkers marking.”
“Ooh you old cynic you.
Incidentally, I completely agree. It's the only way to at least partly explain the bonkers marking.”
Not only was the marking bonkers last night, but the madness was consistent through Len, Alesha and Bruno, which indicates to me that it must have been pre-meditated for a reason.
Try not to get too hung up on the individual marks. The leaderboard usually ends up with people in the 'correct' positions.
It's all about showdancing this year anyway, seems to me. And although I can't stand Gavin that dance was entertaining. You have to treat it all a bit Eric and Ernie this year for it to make sense.
It's all about showdancing this year anyway, seems to me. And although I can't stand Gavin that dance was entertaining. You have to treat it all a bit Eric and Ernie this year for it to make sense.
Originally Posted by BenDeLaRoubaix:
“The "slip" was a deliberate part of the routine to allow the "get into hold" move.
The song is from 10 things I hate about you. The bow and greets are taken from there.
It was excellent choreography, entertaining and fun.
For some people Gav can't "win" unless he publically flogs himself on live TV and promises to save the world's kittens.”
“The "slip" was a deliberate part of the routine to allow the "get into hold" move.
The song is from 10 things I hate about you. The bow and greets are taken from there.
It was excellent choreography, entertaining and fun.
For some people Gav can't "win" unless he publically flogs himself on live TV and promises to save the world's kittens.”
Sad, but true. And for some people the kittens wouldn't be enough.
The 'mistakey' bit was shown being rehearsed in their VT and also in the ITT training (I think).
I thought Gavin's dance (and the choreography) was absolute carp, he was all over the shop, and for decency's sake I averted my eyes and concentrated on my knitting instead.
Originally Posted by ESPIONdansant:
“Try not to get too hung up on the individual marks. The leaderboard usually ends up with people in the 'correct' positions.
It's all about showdancing this year anyway, seems to me. And although I can't stand Gavin that dance was entertaining. You have to treat it all a bit Eric and Ernie this year for it to make sense.”
“Try not to get too hung up on the individual marks. The leaderboard usually ends up with people in the 'correct' positions.
It's all about showdancing this year anyway, seems to me. And although I can't stand Gavin that dance was entertaining. You have to treat it all a bit Eric and Ernie this year for it to make sense.”
But the point is that it didn't - Gavin should have been below Pamela and Patsy at least, but he wasn't.
I agree with some of the comments here, and whilst 'entertainment' factor is all down to personal taste, technicality is much less flippantly judged.
I think it's a given that he is definitely improving. But 9's, regardless of entertainment factor or tricks is a pretty serious score. It means that a dance it's borderline perfect, with perhaps the odd little minor issue – this is how the judges have described it in previous series.
Now, no matter how entertained anyone was by the dance (I personally don't think he pulled the slapstick off particularly well, he looked far to self conscious), I think an unbiased person could see that any of the dancing that he did actually do was 'ok' at best, but for the most part was very lumpy. He has improved and well done to him for doing so, but 9 is a pretty huge score for something that was lumpy and self conscious. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, and roll my eyes at most of the 'it's fixed' threads, but the confusing over-scoring two weeks in a row is giving me pause for thought here.
As for judging him on his position in the leader board instead individual scores, I can kind of see that point of view. But, individual scores make up the position in the leader board, and I have to say, 4th place? Come on now. For me, he should be just above Felicity and Vincent, at best and that's being extremely generous - as they both danced to a similar standard, but Felicity and Vincent had much more content.
I'm completely flumoxed here, I'm looking at all the positives of his dance AND being generous, but still cannot get how it warrants 9's and a 4th place on the board!
I think it's a given that he is definitely improving. But 9's, regardless of entertainment factor or tricks is a pretty serious score. It means that a dance it's borderline perfect, with perhaps the odd little minor issue – this is how the judges have described it in previous series.
Now, no matter how entertained anyone was by the dance (I personally don't think he pulled the slapstick off particularly well, he looked far to self conscious), I think an unbiased person could see that any of the dancing that he did actually do was 'ok' at best, but for the most part was very lumpy. He has improved and well done to him for doing so, but 9 is a pretty huge score for something that was lumpy and self conscious. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, and roll my eyes at most of the 'it's fixed' threads, but the confusing over-scoring two weeks in a row is giving me pause for thought here.
As for judging him on his position in the leader board instead individual scores, I can kind of see that point of view. But, individual scores make up the position in the leader board, and I have to say, 4th place? Come on now. For me, he should be just above Felicity and Vincent, at best and that's being extremely generous - as they both danced to a similar standard, but Felicity and Vincent had much more content.
I'm completely flumoxed here, I'm looking at all the positives of his dance AND being generous, but still cannot get how it warrants 9's and a 4th place on the board!
Gavin is not improving. He is showing more personality, but his dancing is still technically dire. Patsy's dance was overmarked too - that was not a VW.
The problem was that the Judges overmarked Pamela right at the start for what was (IMO of course) a heavy, laboured cha cha cha. Therefore they had nowhere really to go afterwards and I felt that every single dance last night was overmarked. However, they ended up in the places they deserved on the leaderboard (well I would've swapped Michelle and Felicity round). Yes I felt that Gavin was better than Pamela last night. I know many will disagree... it is a matter of personal preference after all
He was overmarked, yes, but I suppose at the same time he improved so much they had to recognise that somehow. I do feel Patsy was robbed though.
Originally Posted by j4Rose:
“Gavin is not improving. He is showing more personality, but his dancing is still technically dire. Patsy's dance was overmarked too - that was not a VW.”
“Gavin is not improving. He is showing more personality, but his dancing is still technically dire. Patsy's dance was overmarked too - that was not a VW.”
Disagree on both counts - Gavin in the early weeks could not have performed that QS. ergo he has improved.
Patsy danced beautifully - and although I'm critical of the relaxation of dancing rules that routine was as near to a VW as many of the dancers choreographed for the front runners this year.
Of the top 3 I like Kara and Matt - but my current favourites are Patsy and Gavin.
K&M started so well and have maintained their high standards - but it does give them less scope for improvement.
This isn't to say that P&G will ever reach a similar standard and initially they looked as if they'd be lucky to make the halfway mark but they have improved considerably - therefore I suggest that they have been on a longer voyage. (I knew I could avoid the 'j' word if I tried, but voyage sounds just as bad.)
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Disagree on both counts - Gavin in the early weeks could not have performed that QS. ergo he has improved.
Patsy danced beautifully - and although I'm critical of the relaxation of dancing rules that routine was as near to a VW as many of the dancers choreographed for the front runners this year.
Of the top 3 I like Kara and Matt - but my current favourites are Patsy and Gavin.
K&M started so well and have maintained their high standards - but it does give them less scope for improvement.
This isn't to say that P&G will ever reach a similar standard and initially they looked as if they'd be lucky to make the halfway mark but they have improved considerably - therefore I suggest that they have been on a longer voyage. (I knew I could avoid the 'j' word if I tried, but voyage sounds just as bad.)”
“Disagree on both counts - Gavin in the early weeks could not have performed that QS. ergo he has improved.
Patsy danced beautifully - and although I'm critical of the relaxation of dancing rules that routine was as near to a VW as many of the dancers choreographed for the front runners this year.
Of the top 3 I like Kara and Matt - but my current favourites are Patsy and Gavin.
K&M started so well and have maintained their high standards - but it does give them less scope for improvement.
This isn't to say that P&G will ever reach a similar standard and initially they looked as if they'd be lucky to make the halfway mark but they have improved considerably - therefore I suggest that they have been on a longer voyage. (I knew I could avoid the 'j' word if I tried, but voyage sounds just as bad.)
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You can't compare Patsy's VW to Scott's. There has been a general relaxation of the rules, but that doesn't make it right. It still wasn't a proper VW.
Gavin didn't really dance a QS at all. It was just a lot of messing about. It was entertaining, but it was not good technically.
Originally Posted by Kmc1978:
“The problem was that the Judges overmarked Pamela right at the start for what was (IMO of course) a heavy, laboured cha cha cha. Therefore they had nowhere really to go afterwards and I felt that every single dance last night was overmarked. However, they ended up in the places they deserved on the leaderboard (well I would've swapped Michelle and Felicity round). Yes I felt that Gavin was better than Pamela last night. I know many will disagree... it is a matter of personal preference after all”
“The problem was that the Judges overmarked Pamela right at the start for what was (IMO of course) a heavy, laboured cha cha cha. Therefore they had nowhere really to go afterwards and I felt that every single dance last night was overmarked. However, they ended up in the places they deserved on the leaderboard (well I would've swapped Michelle and Felicity round). Yes I felt that Gavin was better than Pamela last night. I know many will disagree... it is a matter of personal preference after all”
I agree with you totally
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