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Kara vs Scott
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SCD-Observer
14-11-2010
Originally Posted by Gill P:
“I think it is too close a call between Kara and Scott. Matt is not as good as he should be given his background. He seems to be on a plateau.”

If scoring around 35 and 36 is a plateau that what a plateau! Comparing Scott's Rhumba and Matt's, Scott's beyond embarrassing tbh. Then again, Scott has proven yet again he excelled in fast dances, like the quickstep and jive last night.
Dollystanford
14-11-2010
Kara all the way - I don't really enjoy scott's dancing that much
SCD-Observer
14-11-2010
Originally Posted by j4Rose:
“Matt has been overhyped. His technique was below par last night, as his Rumba was very jerky. His AT was a total joke compared compared to Kara's, but he still received high marks for it. Was his Rumba as emotional and fluid as Pam's? Not remotely. Why did it receive the same score then?

Kara's technique is very good. I think she's better than anyone else.”

We get it, you don't like Matt!

Matt's rhumba, besides looking a little 'jerky', were MILES better than many male celeb rhumba. Bear in mind female celebs often do much better in rhumba than male ones. Thing is when the male celeb does a bad rhumba, it looks REALLY bad, like Scott's dire attempt last week. Matt's thankfully watchable, and his technique, despite less fluidity than the pro, is very, very commendable.

I am speaking as a Kara fan btw.
SCD-Observer
14-11-2010
Originally Posted by Dollystanford:
“Kara all the way - I don't really enjoy scott's dancing that much”

Great minds think alike!
TylerTango
14-11-2010
I think Kara is - and I know it's a sweeping statement - technically the best Latin female since Jill Halfpenny.
Gill P
14-11-2010
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“If scoring around 35 and 36 is a plateau that what a plateau! Comparing Scott's Rhumba and Matt's, Scott's beyond embarrassing tbh. Then again, Scott has proven yet again he excelled in fast dances, like the quickstep and jive last night.”

I think you have missed my point. Matt had high scores to start with and has been in the same place or sometimes slightly higher all the time. The voters like to see a "journey" (sorry!) but Matt is still in relatively the same place as at the beginning.
SCD-Observer
14-11-2010
Originally Posted by Gill P:
“I think you have missed my point. Matt had high scores to start with and has been in the same place or sometimes slightly higher all the time. The voters like to see a "journey" (sorry!) but Matt is still in relatively the same place as at the beginning.”

I just read a theory proposed by Monkseal that the judges artificially hold back Matt's ten until later for some kind of impact of their eventual winner, apparently Monkseal might have thought that's what happened with Mark Ramps and Tom Chambers in the past. What do you think?

I can't agree with him (is Monkseal a he/she?) somehow. So far, I think Matt's doing very well. Don't care about the silly journey thing. Scott scored quite similar to Matt in the first week and then he got tens, and then a lousy rhumba and then the crazy score for his jive (then again, if Gethin can get ten from Len for his jive, so can Scott I supposed...), which was good but not better than Kara's AT!
trevvytrev21
14-11-2010
Originally Posted by TylerTango:
“I think Kara is - and I know it's a sweeping statement - technically the best Latin female since Jill Halfpenny.”

Agree here. Her Ballroom isn't bad, at all, but Latin dances are where she excels. Alesha was consistent in Latin but her footwork was messy.
j4Rose
14-11-2010
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“We get it, you don't like Matt!

Matt's rhumba, besides looking a little 'jerky', were MILES better than many male celeb rhumba. Bear in mind female celebs often do much better in rhumba than male ones. Thing is when the male celeb does a bad rhumba, it looks REALLY bad, like Scott's dire attempt last week. Matt's thankfully watchable, and his technique, despite less fluidity than the pro, is very, very commendable.

I am speaking as a Kara fan btw.”

No, I don't dislike Matt. I hate the tendency on here to label people as "haters". I have a different opinion to you - big deal.
Jan2555*GG*
14-11-2010
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“I just read a theory proposed by Monkseal that the judges artificially hold back Matt's ten until later for some kind of impact of their eventual winner, apparently Monkseal might have thought that's what happened with Mark Ramps and Tom Chambers in the past. What do you think?

I can't agree with him (is Monkseal a he/she?) somehow. So far, I think Matt's doing very well. Don't care about the silly journey thing. Scott scored quite similar to Matt in the first week and then he got tens, and then a lousy rhumba and then the crazy score for his jive (then again, if Gethin can get ten from Len for his jive, so can Scott I supposed...), which was good but not better than Kara's AT!”


Monkseal is a he......
Christa
14-11-2010
I don't think Matt's that good, although he seems nice.

It's between Scott & Kara... I think Kara is slightly better technically, but Scott's performing skills are very good. It's very close.

Matt or Scott will win tho, because they're blokes.
SCD-Observer
14-11-2010
Originally Posted by j4Rose:
“No, I don't dislike Matt. I hate the tendency on here to label people as "haters". I have a different opinion to you - big deal.”

Sorry, your own Freudian slip, I'm afraid.

I make it very clear you dislike Matt. Dislike is a very neutral word with no negative connotation. You decide to add the word 'haters'.
Monkseal
14-11-2010
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“I just read a theory proposed by Monkseal that the judges artificially hold back Matt's ten until later for some kind of impact of their eventual winner, apparently Monkseal might have thought that's what happened with Mark Ramps and Tom Chambers in the past. What do you think?

I can't agree with him (is Monkseal a he/she?) somehow. So far, I think Matt's doing very well. Don't care about the silly journey thing. Scott scored quite similar to Matt in the first week and then he got tens, and then a lousy rhumba and then the crazy score for his jive (then again, if Gethin can get ten from Len for his jive, so can Scott I supposed...), which was good but not better than Kara's AT!”

I probably didn't explain myself very well. I don't think the judges are holding back artificially. I think the producers are HIGHLIGHTING it artificially.

Based on the first couple of months, in storyline terms, the top four are Matt, Scott, Kara, and Pamela and they're much of a muchness ability wise. So why give Matt the underdog "when will he get a 10?" storyline and not Pamela? (Certainly I think if she did her rumba now it might scrape a 10 from one or two judges based on what's getting them. It just came too early). Because they know he'll be around at the end, they know he's a likely winner, and they can run an underdog "proved himself to the judges" thing. They've done the same for every man that's won.

It's just like Patsy is the Letitia/Carole/Whoever "middle aged woman with low self esteem who discovers herself and gets her groove back and whatever". The same storyline over and over again. Matt's just a "type", and a type that usually wins.
SCD-Observer
14-11-2010
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“I probably didn't explain myself very well. I don't think the judges are holding back artificially. I think the producers are HIGHLIGHTING it artificially.

Based on the first couple of months, in storyline terms, the top four are Matt, Scott, Kara, and Pamela and they're much of a muchness ability wise. So why give Matt the underdog "when will he get a 10?" storyline and not Pamela? (Certainly I think if she did her rumba now it might scrape a 10 from one or two judges based on what's getting them. It just came too early). Because they know he'll be around at the end, they know he's a likely winner, and they can run an underdog "proved himself to the judges" thing. They've done the same for every man that's won.

It's just like Patsy is the Letitia/Carole/Whoever "middle aged woman with low self esteem who discovers herself and gets her groove back and whatever". The same storyline over and over again. Matt's just a "type", and a type that usually wins.”

Bing! I completely see it now! *gazes at Monkseal in wonderment*
DanceCrazyNo1
14-11-2010
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“I probably didn't explain myself very well. I don't think the judges are holding back artificially. I think the producers are HIGHLIGHTING it artificially.

Based on the first couple of months, in storyline terms, the top four are Matt, Scott, Kara, and Pamela and they're much of a muchness ability wise. So why give Matt the underdog "when will he get a 10?" storyline and not Pamela? (Certainly I think if she did her rumba now it might scrape a 10 from one or two judges based on what's getting them. It just came too early). Because they know he'll be around at the end, they know he's a likely winner, and they can run an underdog "proved himself to the judges" thing. They've done the same for every man that's won.

It's just like Patsy is the Letitia/Carole/Whoever "middle aged woman with low self esteem who discovers herself and gets her groove back and whatever". The same storyline over and over again. Matt's just a "type", and a type that usually wins.”


I completely agree with you. I think they took build up these 'types' Patsy is without doubt the next Letitia. And for me MAtt is from the same mould as Tom Chambers and Chris last year. Nice, boy next door type. And we seem to like voting for those types in Britain.

I noticed on the thread 'which celebrities we like that we didn't expect to like' - Kara features heavily. It just shows how much we are inclined to not like attractive, young female celebrities. Only when they show themselves to be really likeable like KAra and Alesha before her, do we start to give them a chance.
Annsyre
14-11-2010
Originally Posted by petertard:
“It's beginning to boil down to that. Kara's perfect technique against Scott's bravura showmanship. Personally, I would go for Kara. I don't know how her dance did not get 40.”

If they progress to the semi-finals we are in for a treat.
TerryM22
14-11-2010
Kara was as good as the pro dancer from the start of the show so she is the one most likely to walk off with it if the judges can get their way.
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