Orange/T-Mobile Shared Network Coverage

japitts · 29-11-2010, 15:25

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If you select Orange T-Mobile then you'll be locked to 2G only.

Surely locking to "Orange T-Mobile" will lock to T-Mobile 2G too?

jonmorris · 29-11-2010, 19:10

What I meant is that Orange T-Mobile is simply T-Mobile renamed (when you got the SIM update) and so selecting it would mean 2G only, as there's no roaming with T-Mobile for 3G.

If you reverted to Orange, will seek out 3G first (unless you actually lock it to 2G completely).

ForestChav · 29-11-2010, 19:19

Nah, it doesn't *quite* work like that. The roaming connects you to your preferred network, the one you are subscribed to. It cannot dissociate in normal operation so when your network is out of range it rescans. If it is enabled it can connect to the "Orange T-Mobile" essentially using T-Mobile's signal (if you're normally on Orange) instead if it is in range of that. I'm presuming the same dissociation applies if you're on the shared signal so it will stay on that until you drop off signal again.

And you can still access data with no 3G roaming, it just won't be as quick.

jonmorris · 29-11-2010, 22:13

But my point is that when roaming, an agreement only exists with the 2G networks for T-Mobile and Orange, so you can't roam on the 3G version - and so a manual registration will force you to drop down to 2G.

It's fine for voice, but until the network properly becomes one around next March, you'll be restricting data for better voice/text coverage.

And, once you do roam, it won't generally search for your home network until such time that it loses the signal.

Thine Wonk · 29-11-2010, 22:18

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

But my point is that when roaming, an agreement only exists with the 2G networks for T-Mobile and Orange, so you can't roam on the 3G version - and so a manual registration will force you to drop down to 2G.

It's fine for voice, but until the network properly becomes one around next March, you'll be restricting data for better voice/text coverage.

And, once you do roam, it won't generally search for your home network until such time that it loses the signal.

You should leave it on auto and take advantage of the alternative network if you really need it and there is no 3G or 2G signal available on your home network. That's what it's designed for.

Nobody has suggested that you manually select the other network, that would be bad as you suggest.

ForestChav · 29-11-2010, 22:54

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Originally Posted by Thine Wonk

You should leave it on auto and take advantage of the alternative network if you really need it and there is no 3G or 2G signal available on your home network. That's what it's designed for.

That's the default and how most people use it, I'd imagine. It should simply be a case of getting the SIM update and setting your network to Orange/T-Mobile.

linkinpark875 · 19-02-2011, 13:20

Just seen the advert for this.

Are they staying two separate companies? What happened to "T Orange"?

Aye Up · 19-02-2011, 13:31

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Originally Posted by linkinpark875

Just seen the advert for this.

Are they staying two separate companies? What happened to "T Orange"?

For the foreseeable future they are remaining separate. The hierarchy are scared of losing custom and thus their market share. Tom Alexander said it would be more or less foolish to merge the brands as people are loyal to each of them. Merging would make a lot of people leave.

T-Mobile will be positioned as the value brand where as Orange the premium brand (going after Enterprise and so on).

jonmorris · 19-02-2011, 14:20

But, Everything Everywhere are opening shops under the EE brand - selling both Orange and T-Mobile inside (including other services like home broadband).

Mike_1101 · 19-02-2011, 19:20

T-Mobile have an advert on a nearby bus shelter to inform their customers they can now use the Orange network. The start of a publicity campaign, I expect.

Lummo · 19-02-2011, 19:37

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Originally Posted by Mike_1101

T-Mobile have an advert on a nearby bus shelter to inform their customers they can now use the Orange network. The start of a publicity campaign, I expect.

I see them everywhere around here, and big billboard advertisements for both companies, sometimes next to eachother.

Resonance · 20-02-2011, 04:59

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Originally Posted by Mike_1101

T-Mobile have an advert on a nearby bus shelter to inform their customers they can now use the Orange network. The start of a publicity campaign, I expect.

Yes I saw 'Orange can now use T-Mobile' ads in Scotland in October

29-11-2010, 15:25	#26
japitts Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 427	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris If you select Orange T-Mobile then you'll be locked to 2G only. Surely locking to "Orange T-Mobile" will lock to T-Mobile 2G too?

29-11-2010, 19:10	#27
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	What I meant is that Orange T-Mobile is simply T-Mobile renamed (when you got the SIM update) and so selecting it would mean 2G only, as there's no roaming with T-Mobile for 3G. If you reverted to Orange, will seek out 3G first (unless you actually lock it to 2G completely).

29-11-2010, 19:19	#28
ForestChav Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Nottingham -You lost the game! Posts: 31,738	Nah, it doesn't quite work like that. The roaming connects you to your preferred network, the one you are subscribed to. It cannot dissociate in normal operation so when your network is out of range it rescans. If it is enabled it can connect to the "Orange T-Mobile" essentially using T-Mobile's signal (if you're normally on Orange) instead if it is in range of that. I'm presuming the same dissociation applies if you're on the shared signal so it will stay on that until you drop off signal again. And you can still access data with no 3G roaming, it just won't be as quick.

29-11-2010, 22:13	#29
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	But my point is that when roaming, an agreement only exists with the 2G networks for T-Mobile and Orange, so you can't roam on the 3G version - and so a manual registration will force you to drop down to 2G. It's fine for voice, but until the network properly becomes one around next March, you'll be restricting data for better voice/text coverage. And, once you do roam, it won't generally search for your home network until such time that it loses the signal.

29-11-2010, 22:18	#30
Thine Wonk Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 14,577	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris But my point is that when roaming, an agreement only exists with the 2G networks for T-Mobile and Orange, so you can't roam on the 3G version - and so a manual registration will force you to drop down to 2G. It's fine for voice, but until the network properly becomes one around next March, you'll be restricting data for better voice/text coverage. And, once you do roam, it won't generally search for your home network until such time that it loses the signal. You should leave it on auto and take advantage of the alternative network if you really need it and there is no 3G or 2G signal available on your home network. That's what it's designed for. Nobody has suggested that you manually select the other network, that would be bad as you suggest.

29-11-2010, 22:54	#31
ForestChav Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Nottingham -You lost the game! Posts: 31,738	Quote: Originally Posted by Thine Wonk You should leave it on auto and take advantage of the alternative network if you really need it and there is no 3G or 2G signal available on your home network. That's what it's designed for. That's the default and how most people use it, I'd imagine. It should simply be a case of getting the SIM update and setting your network to Orange/T-Mobile.

19-02-2011, 13:20	#32
linkinpark875 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 24,424	Just seen the advert for this. Are they staying two separate companies? What happened to "T Orange"?

19-02-2011, 13:31	#33
Aye Up Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: North West Posts: 4,885	Quote: Originally Posted by linkinpark875 Just seen the advert for this. Are they staying two separate companies? What happened to "T Orange"? For the foreseeable future they are remaining separate. The hierarchy are scared of losing custom and thus their market share. Tom Alexander said it would be more or less foolish to merge the brands as people are loyal to each of them. Merging would make a lot of people leave. T-Mobile will be positioned as the value brand where as Orange the premium brand (going after Enterprise and so on).

19-02-2011, 14:20	#34
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	But, Everything Everywhere are opening shops under the EE brand - selling both Orange and T-Mobile inside (including other services like home broadband).

19-02-2011, 19:20	#35
Mike_1101 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lancs Posts: 7,928	T-Mobile have an advert on a nearby bus shelter to inform their customers they can now use the Orange network. The start of a publicity campaign, I expect.

19-02-2011, 19:37	#36
Lummo Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 6,737	Quote: Originally Posted by Mike_1101 T-Mobile have an advert on a nearby bus shelter to inform their customers they can now use the Orange network. The start of a publicity campaign, I expect. I see them everywhere around here, and big billboard advertisements for both companies, sometimes next to eachother.

20-02-2011, 04:59	#37
Resonance Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 9,212	Quote: Originally Posted by Mike_1101 T-Mobile have an advert on a nearby bus shelter to inform their customers they can now use the Orange network. The start of a publicity campaign, I expect. Yes I saw 'Orange can now use T-Mobile' ads in Scotland in October

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