I like Ann being in the show. It gives me chance to go to the bathroom.
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Originally Posted by rossyrahrah:
“You have a disturbing tendency to lump everyone together into one amorphous mass that supposedly represents reality. It should also be noted that a certain proportion of this "public" you speak of are morons.”
“You have a disturbing tendency to lump everyone together into one amorphous mass that supposedly represents reality. It should also be noted that a certain proportion of this "public" you speak of are morons.”
Awesome
Originally Posted by Tangerine_82:
“Awesome”
“Awesome
”
Aww, not everyone appreciates my rampant bad-temperedness, ta
*raises wee dram atcha*
Originally Posted by memmh:
“It's a light entertainment show, based upon a dance contest. The dance competition is the very foundation of the show. People who don't want to learn to dance to the best of their ability are not entertaining. People who are passionate about dance and who make every effort to do their best and to improve produce entertaining routines and performances.
And, no, Ann is not Strictly this year. It's just that the media - or certain media outlets - have chosen to concentrate almost exclusively on her and virtually ignore all the other contestants, in an effort to try and portray Ann as being what Strictly is about. She doesn't represent Strictly for me.”
“It's a light entertainment show, based upon a dance contest. The dance competition is the very foundation of the show. People who don't want to learn to dance to the best of their ability are not entertaining. People who are passionate about dance and who make every effort to do their best and to improve produce entertaining routines and performances.
And, no, Ann is not Strictly this year. It's just that the media - or certain media outlets - have chosen to concentrate almost exclusively on her and virtually ignore all the other contestants, in an effort to try and portray Ann as being what Strictly is about. She doesn't represent Strictly for me.”
What a great post!
I agree with everything you say
Originally Posted by rossyrahrah:
“Aww, not everyone appreciates my rampant bad-temperedness, ta
*raises wee dram atcha*”
“Aww, not everyone appreciates my rampant bad-temperedness, ta
*raises wee dram atcha*
”
It just makes me love you
We are kindred spirits 
Originally Posted by Special K_:
“Too many are seeing this as purely entertainment maybe and they realised that from the last few years?
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“Too many are seeing this as purely entertainment maybe and they realised that from the last few years?
”
I think large numbers of the voting viewers see strictly come dancing as an entertainment show, Ann is giving us 5 star entertainment on a Saturday evening, that's why so many people have been voting for her up until now, I hope they did tonight as well
It is starting to look as though Ann has won the hearts and minds of the nation, and that this place is in fact wildly out of touch with the mood of the voting viewers, its hard to see any evidence to the contrary.
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“It is starting to look as though Ann has won the hearts and minds of the nation, and that this place is in fact wildly out of touch with the mood of the voting viewers, its hard to see any evidence to the contrary.”
“It is starting to look as though Ann has won the hearts and minds of the nation, and that this place is in fact wildly out of touch with the mood of the voting viewers, its hard to see any evidence to the contrary.”
Have you actually read some of the other posts on this forum???
*headdesk*
Originally Posted by flugella:
“Have you actually read some of the other posts on this forum???
*headdesk*”
“Have you actually read some of the other posts on this forum???
*headdesk*”
Hands flugella some aspirin. Total waste of typing replying to some peoples
If she does win the competition it will be the first time that somebody with absolutely no dancing ability will be the champion, and I can't see that happening.
As more competitors who are talented dancers are eliminated their votes will, hopefully, go to those good dancers who remain in the show. In the end one of the top four should win.
As more competitors who are talented dancers are eliminated their votes will, hopefully, go to those good dancers who remain in the show. In the end one of the top four should win.
Originally Posted by HeidiB:
“If she does win the competition it will be the first time that somebody with absolutely no dancing ability will be the champion, and I can't see that happening.
As more competitors who are talented dancers are eliminated their votes will, hopefully, go to those good dancers who remain in the show. In the end one of the top four should win.”
“If she does win the competition it will be the first time that somebody with absolutely no dancing ability will be the champion, and I can't see that happening.
As more competitors who are talented dancers are eliminated their votes will, hopefully, go to those good dancers who remain in the show. In the end one of the top four should win.”
A question for people who know something about real dancing...
Are the best SCD competitors (including those who didn't win) closer to the pros or Ann Widdecombe in standard? In my experience of matters physical, a little ability goes a long way, but the gap beween even highly talented amateurs and pros is almost incomprehensible.
The reason for the question is that the identity of the winner might simply be a case of bald men arguing over a comb in terms of real dancing ability. Conversely, it may be that the top celebs are genuinely very good - I don't know - so apologies to anyone I've offended.
Originally Posted by Three Left Feet:
“A question for people who know something about real dancing...
Are the best SCD competitors (including those who didn't win) closer to the pros or Ann Widdecombe in standard? In my experience of matters physical, a little ability goes a long way, but the gap beween even highly talented amateurs and pros is almost incomprehensible.
The reason for the question is that the identity of the winner might simply be a case of bald men arguing over a comb in terms of real dancing ability. Conversely, it may be that the top celebs are genuinely very good - I don't know - so apologies to anyone I've offended.”
“A question for people who know something about real dancing...
Are the best SCD competitors (including those who didn't win) closer to the pros or Ann Widdecombe in standard? In my experience of matters physical, a little ability goes a long way, but the gap beween even highly talented amateurs and pros is almost incomprehensible.
The reason for the question is that the identity of the winner might simply be a case of bald men arguing over a comb in terms of real dancing ability. Conversely, it may be that the top celebs are genuinely very good - I don't know - so apologies to anyone I've offended.
”
Now that, Three Left Feet, is an interesting question that deserves a thread all of its own.
Originally Posted by Three Left Feet:
“the gap beween even highly talented amateurs and pros is almost incomprehensible.”
“the gap beween even highly talented amateurs and pros is almost incomprehensible.”
Do you mean that the gap is so huge that it's incomprehensible that the pros can be so much better? Or that the gap is so small as to be almost imperceptible?
I have only been watching Strictly for about 3 years, but I don't recall such naturally able celeb dancers as Kara (especially), Matt and Pamela (Scott has un-overcome-able mechanical limitations so can't be included).
For me, the pro dances have been disappointing this year.
parthena
Originally Posted by parthena:
“Do you mean that the gap is so huge that it's incomprehensible that the pros can be so much better? Or that the gap is so small as to be almost imperceptible?
I have only been watching Strictly for about 3 years, but I don't recall such naturally able celeb dancers as Kara (especially), Matt and Pamela (Scott has un-overcome-able mechanical limitations so can't be included).
For me, the pro dances have been disappointing this year.
parthena”
“Do you mean that the gap is so huge that it's incomprehensible that the pros can be so much better? Or that the gap is so small as to be almost imperceptible?
I have only been watching Strictly for about 3 years, but I don't recall such naturally able celeb dancers as Kara (especially), Matt and Pamela (Scott has un-overcome-able mechanical limitations so can't be included).
For me, the pro dances have been disappointing this year.
parthena”
Colin Jackson was amazing.
Originally Posted by dome:
“Colin Jackson was amazing.”
“Colin Jackson was amazing.”
I think he must have been one year before I started - gutting
He didn't win, though, did he?Wish they had better quality videos on YouTube.
parthena
Originally Posted by Three Left Feet:
“A question for people who know something about real dancing...
Are the best SCD competitors (including those who didn't win) closer to the pros or Ann Widdecombe in standard? In my experience of matters physical, a little ability goes a long way, but the gap beween even highly talented amateurs and pros is almost incomprehensible.
The reason for the question is that the identity of the winner might simply be a case of bald men arguing over a comb in terms of real dancing ability. Conversely, it may be that the top celebs are genuinely very good - I don't know - so apologies to anyone I've offended.”
“A question for people who know something about real dancing...
Are the best SCD competitors (including those who didn't win) closer to the pros or Ann Widdecombe in standard? In my experience of matters physical, a little ability goes a long way, but the gap beween even highly talented amateurs and pros is almost incomprehensible.
The reason for the question is that the identity of the winner might simply be a case of bald men arguing over a comb in terms of real dancing ability. Conversely, it may be that the top celebs are genuinely very good - I don't know - so apologies to anyone I've offended.
”
It's a good question and, since it's aimed at people who know something about dancing, not one I'm qualified to answer! But, hey, that's never stopped me in the past...
There have been occasions on Strictly when, for people who don't normally watch the show, it's hard to distinguish which one is the pro and which the sleb. Those slebs who have a natural aptitude for dance, work hard and pull out the stops on a Saturday evening can get very close to a professional standard for that one dance. However, there is no way on Earth that they could keep that standard up without the years and years of training and competitive dancing that the pros will have done to get this far.
So the gap between a highly talented amateur and a seasoned pro can be pretty close for a Saturday night light entertainment show, but would be a gaping chasm in the real world of professional dance.
Originally Posted by Three Left Feet:
“A question for people who know something about real dancing...
Are the best SCD competitors (including those who didn't win) closer to the pros or Ann Widdecombe in standard? In my experience of matters physical, a little ability goes a long way, but the gap beween even highly talented amateurs and pros is almost incomprehensible.
The reason for the question is that the identity of the winner might simply be a case of bald men arguing over a comb in terms of real dancing ability. Conversely, it may be that the top celebs are genuinely very good - I don't know - so apologies to anyone I've offended.”
“A question for people who know something about real dancing...
Are the best SCD competitors (including those who didn't win) closer to the pros or Ann Widdecombe in standard? In my experience of matters physical, a little ability goes a long way, but the gap beween even highly talented amateurs and pros is almost incomprehensible.
The reason for the question is that the identity of the winner might simply be a case of bald men arguing over a comb in terms of real dancing ability. Conversely, it may be that the top celebs are genuinely very good - I don't know - so apologies to anyone I've offended.
”
None of the celebs on Strictly could approach the level of the pros now but that doesn't mean they don't have the innate ability to. Pros have generally been dancing since childhood, at least the ones who get far in the dancing world. There's no other way in really. But that doesn't mean that you don't come across in every day life and on Strictly people who have the ability to reach that standard, if not the tools. Len said (and was right) that if Alesha had danced latin American as a child, she'd be one of the professionals on Strictly. Jill Halfpenny was the same, as is Kara Tointon.
The fun of Strictly for me is seeing people with these dormant abilities dusting them off and seeing just how far they can get along that road, regardless of whether they'll reach pro standard (which as I've said, is an impossibility unless they start doing the show with kid celebs). But not reaching pro standard doesn't mean you're not that great a dancer, far from it, and there is a huge chasm of a difference between those like Kara, Scott, Jill and Alesha and people like Ann, John, Kate Garraway, Kenny Logan, Gavin etc. I think that's clear to everyone, regardless of loyalties.
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“I think large numbers of the voting viewers see strictly come dancing as an entertainment show, Ann is giving us 5 star entertainment on a Saturday evening,that's why so many people have been voting for her up until now] , I hope they did tonight as well”
“I think large numbers of the voting viewers see strictly come dancing as an entertainment show, Ann is giving us 5 star entertainment on a Saturday evening,that's why so many people have been voting for her up until now] , I hope they did tonight as well”
How do you know it's a lot of people. Might just be a few with a speeddialler and a large 'phone bill?
Originally Posted by parthena:
“Do you mean that the gap is so huge that it's incomprehensible that the pros can be so much better? Or that the gap is so small as to be almost imperceptible?”
“Do you mean that the gap is so huge that it's incomprehensible that the pros can be so much better? Or that the gap is so small as to be almost imperceptible?”
The former, but more in not being able to comprehend how good the pros really are.
There aren't many (any?) physical disciplines where even naturally talented adult beginners can progress beyond talented amateur after two months of training. Strictly Come Wimbledon or Strictly Come Downhill Skiing would be interesting...
Originally Posted by Pentax20:
“How do you know it's a lot of people. Might just be a few with a speeddialler and a large 'phone bill?”
“How do you know it's a lot of people. Might just be a few with a speeddialler and a large 'phone bill?”
I think its fair to say that you are suggesting an unlikely scenario, very large numbers of people have obviously been captivated by Anton and Ann's performances and are voting accordingly.
Originally Posted by pabird:
“I consider you live in a sad world but am willing to be converted if you are willing to put into words the entertainment factors in that foxtrot
For my simple mind use as many words as required and please detail the entertainment content
The dance content was given last place”
“I consider you live in a sad world but am willing to be converted if you are willing to put into words the entertainment factors in that foxtrot
For my simple mind use as many words as required and please detail the entertainment content
The dance content was given last place”
The fact remains whether we agree about the dancing ,voting ,ann scenerio , etc etc is that we the licence payers are paying for this and aswell as paying good money to vote (as often happens now) for good dancers and talent to be eliminated ! if that is so then that is a sad indicment of life today ! if this is a comedy show lets have a few comedians on and well all fall about laughing !
Originally Posted by Three Left Feet:
“The former, but more in not being able to comprehend how good the pros really are.
There aren't many (any?) physical disciplines where even naturally talented adult beginners can progress beyond talented amateur after two months of training. Strictly Come Wimbledon or Strictly Come Downhill Skiing would be interesting...”
“The former, but more in not being able to comprehend how good the pros really are.
There aren't many (any?) physical disciplines where even naturally talented adult beginners can progress beyond talented amateur after two months of training. Strictly Come Wimbledon or Strictly Come Downhill Skiing would be interesting...
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True, but they are not just picking ordinary people off the street..so to speak. Those celebrities from showbiz will probably have had some kind of formal training, and the sports people are generally remarkably fit and competitive.
I agree, they can never hope to reach the level of the professionals on SCD..but aren't they the "cream" of the world's dancers ? Some of the top celebrities may have managed to reach "ordinary" competitive professional level in one or two of the dance disciplines ? I don't know, just asking really.
In the beginning, I liked her attitude. Loved the comment that she made to Craig in the first show where he slated her and her comeback was 'if you think thats bad, wait until you see the Samba.' It was nice to see her giving it a go and it made someone like me, who is not small by any means, look at her and think that if she could do it, all be it not very well, then there would be no excuse for me not to give dancing a go.
However, as the weeks have progressed, I just find myself cringing at the tv. I feel bad because I do laugh, but I am laughing at her, not with her. I am guessing that she is astute enough to know that most likely people want her to be kept in to see how badly she makes a fool out of herself next week. If she is happy with that though and I am sure she is aware that people aren't keeping her in because of her ability, then I guess it could be the case that she could go onto win it.
If she does go onto win it though, I don't know where the show goes from here. Will people want to sign up for a show, work their asses off to learn how to dance, only to be beaten to the prize by someone who can't complete even simple routines or steps? I know the show has had winners who weren't the best dancers in the past, but at least the likes of Tom, Chris and Darren were able to dance and improved alot throughout their respective seasons. They also performed amazing routines which didn't involve them being flung around the floor like a large sack of potatoes. For me, there is nothing more entertaining than seeing a magnificent dance on Strictly, I still remember Jill Halfpenny's jive which took my breathe away. That is entertainment at its finest. Seeing an ageing, arrogant and pompous buffoon stumbling around a dancefloor like a drunken nan at a bad wedding reception is not.
However, as the weeks have progressed, I just find myself cringing at the tv. I feel bad because I do laugh, but I am laughing at her, not with her. I am guessing that she is astute enough to know that most likely people want her to be kept in to see how badly she makes a fool out of herself next week. If she is happy with that though and I am sure she is aware that people aren't keeping her in because of her ability, then I guess it could be the case that she could go onto win it.
If she does go onto win it though, I don't know where the show goes from here. Will people want to sign up for a show, work their asses off to learn how to dance, only to be beaten to the prize by someone who can't complete even simple routines or steps? I know the show has had winners who weren't the best dancers in the past, but at least the likes of Tom, Chris and Darren were able to dance and improved alot throughout their respective seasons. They also performed amazing routines which didn't involve them being flung around the floor like a large sack of potatoes. For me, there is nothing more entertaining than seeing a magnificent dance on Strictly, I still remember Jill Halfpenny's jive which took my breathe away. That is entertainment at its finest. Seeing an ageing, arrogant and pompous buffoon stumbling around a dancefloor like a drunken nan at a bad wedding reception is not.
Originally Posted by RichmondBlue:
“True, but they are not just picking ordinary people off the street..so to speak. Those celebrities from showbiz will probably have had some kind of formal training, and the sports people are generally remarkably fit and competitive.
I agree, they can never hope to reach the level of the professionals on SCD..but aren't they the "cream" of the world's dancers ? Some of the top celebrities may have managed to reach "ordinary" competitive professional level in one or two of the dance disciplines ? I don't know, just asking really.”
“True, but they are not just picking ordinary people off the street..so to speak. Those celebrities from showbiz will probably have had some kind of formal training, and the sports people are generally remarkably fit and competitive.
I agree, they can never hope to reach the level of the professionals on SCD..but aren't they the "cream" of the world's dancers ? Some of the top celebrities may have managed to reach "ordinary" competitive professional level in one or two of the dance disciplines ? I don't know, just asking really.”
That's what is so unfair about SCD. It's mixing old decrepit's with younger people with training. Then we have the rabid chorus of disapproval and venom when the public decide to redress the balance. It even goes as far as nasty phone calls to contestant families. Most people watch early evening TV on Saturday to be entertained and SCD is a bit of fun. The fanatics don't seem to be able to grasp that.
It isn't like even the bright young things are anything like professional standard but the judges(mostly unqualified) dish out 9/10's like confetti.
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