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Old 16-11-2010, 20:18
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Purely hypothetical of course.

Let's say a situation came about where, for whatever reason, the final 8 acts all decided to boycott the live shows. To what lengths would XFactor go to keep them on board?
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Old 16-11-2010, 20:20
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Well they can't so they wouldn't have to go to any lengths.

What purpose is this?
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Old 16-11-2010, 20:20
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Sue them for breach of contract.


Problem solved.
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Old 16-11-2010, 20:21
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Well they can't so they wouldn't have to go to any lengths.

What purpose is this?
What do you mean, "they can't".

The purpose, being that last year XFactor brought in £75million in advertising, is to ponder what would happen, if those taking part decided, for whatever reason, not to play ball.
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Old 16-11-2010, 20:23
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Sue them for breach of contract.


Problem solved.
Far from it.The financial assets of the final 8 acts, would likely be less than 1-2% of the advertising revenue generate by XFactor. The finalists have much more power than they think.
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Old 16-11-2010, 20:25
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Wagner would have compassion for the masses and perform for the entire programme.
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Old 16-11-2010, 20:29
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Wagner would have compassion for the masses and perform for the entire programme.
His heart is almost as big as Cowells wallet.
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Old 16-11-2010, 20:31
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Wagner would have compassion for the masses and perform for the entire programme.
Over Katie's cold, dead body he would.

And for the love of God: that wasn't a death threat!
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Old 16-11-2010, 20:32
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What do you mean, "they can't".

The purpose, being that last year XFactor brought in £75million in advertising, is to ponder what would happen, if those taking part decided, for whatever reason, not to play ball.
Because they can't - they've signed a contract that means they'll be in breach which would cost them a ridiculous amount of money.

THEY CAN'T!

Lawyers and contracts are there for that very reason you know.

Simon might know diddly squat about music but he does know about the legalities.
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Old 16-11-2010, 20:34
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They would most probably never find work in the music business again
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Old 16-11-2010, 20:35
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The OP did say hypothetically!!

The ITV would put on some great films in the shows place! We would get something else as the Christmas number one, and the papers may report the news and not Katie Weasel every day.
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Old 16-11-2010, 20:35
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Because they can't - they've signed a contract that means they'll be in breach which would cost them a ridiculous amount of money.

THEY CAN'T!

Lawyers and contracts are there for that very reason you know.

Simon might know diddly squat about music but he does know about the legalities.
In theory, some of them could claim for undue stress and neglect. If people can take time off from regular jobs due to stress, you'd assume that contestants could pull out of shows like this if they could prove it was having an adverse effect on their mental health.
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Old 16-11-2010, 20:36
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They would most probably never find work in the music business again
Oh I dont know about that, some of them may just get a better deal think of the media frenzy and publicity for another company taking them on, I can hear Pete Waterman now shouting JUMP SHIP leave the SHOW..
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Old 16-11-2010, 20:36
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Because they can't - they've signed a contract that means they'll be in breach which would cost them a ridiculous amount of money.

THEY CAN'T!

Lawyers and contracts are there for that very reason you know.
It's a hypothetical question. I'm not quite sure what you're getting yourself angry about. Anyway, I'll restate the point from earlier:

The financial assets of the final 8 acts, would likely be less than 1-2% of the advertising revenue generate by XFactor. The finalists have much more power than they think. If such a situation occured, with threats to leave the show en masse, the very last thing that would want to do is start legal action. It would be series over. I'd go as far as saying that they would rather offer the final 8 acts £500,000 each to stay on the show to avoid a mutiny. Financially that would make more sense.

Also, if someone like Katie for instance, pulled out, they absolutely would not sue her due to the whole situation surrounding her.
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Old 16-11-2010, 20:39
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It's a hypothetical question. I'm not suqite sure what you're getting yourself angry about. As stated earlier:

The financial assets of the final 8 acts, would likely be less than 1-2% of the advertising revenue generate by XFactor. The finalists have much more power than they think. If such a situation occured, with threats to leave the show en masse, the very last thing that would want to do is start legal action. It would be series over. I'd go as far as saying that they would rather offer the final 8 acts £500,000 each to stay on the show to avoid a mutiny. Financially that would make more sense.
I was replying to your question why the couldn't - I replied to that.

They can't - hypothetical or not - they can't so we can't even suggest manners of if they did because it can't happen. They have made sure of that.

Hypothetically? Hmmm show over and Heartbeat repeats?

What is anyone supposed to say? They'll pay them a squillion quid to do it? They'll threaten their family members?

What's the point?
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Old 16-11-2010, 20:41
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The poster I was replying to questioned why the couldn't - I replied to that.

They can't - hypothetical or not - they can't so we can't even suggest manners of if they did because it can't happen. They have made sure of that.

Hypothetically? Hmmm show over and Heartbeat repeats?

What is anyone supposed to say? They'll pay them a squillion quid to do it? They'll threaten their family members?

What's the point?
You clearly don't understand what the word "can't" means. If they want to, yes, they can. There may be legal consequences, or the show may try to avoid those by offering incentives for them to remain. I am just wondering what would happen in the case of threats to quit. Either way, it's a question, nothing more, and you are advised to try to calm yourself.

If your view is "what's the point", then "what's the point" in you ranting in here?? Again, calm down!
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Old 16-11-2010, 20:43
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In theory, some of them could claim for undue stress and neglect. If people can take time off from regular jobs due to stress, you'd assume that contestants could pull out of shows like this if they could prove it was having an adverse effect on their mental health.
Yes but they're not in a normal work related situation.

For ALL contestants to do it would be effectively striking and no doubt that is breach of contract.

Now BECTU or Equity could get involved but that would take an age and the show would be over before a strike could happen.
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Old 16-11-2010, 20:43
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Why would they piss Simon off; some are going to get signed regardless of when they go; Simon has his eye on some more than others.
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Old 16-11-2010, 20:47
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Yes but they're not in a normal work related situation.

For ALL contestants to do it would be effectively striking and no doubt that is breach of contract.

Now BECTU or Equity could get involved but that would take an age and the show would be over before a strike could happen.
1) It is perfectly possible for people to quit the show at any time

2) Yes, there may be consequences if they do so

3) My line of thought is what action the show would take in the face of threats to quit.

Maybe if a few quit they'd bring back some wildcards. Maybe they would offer incentives for them to stay on etc. Thoughs like that. The show in total is worth £100 million+. You're never going to squeeze anything like that out of a bunch of unknown people, thus why it's interesting to think about what various approaches they would take if something like that occured.
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Old 16-11-2010, 20:47
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You clearly don't understand what the word "can't" means. If they want to, yes, they can. There may be legal consequences, or the show may try to avoid those by offering incentives for them to remain. I am just wondering what would happen in the case of threats to quit. Either way, it's a question, nothing more, and you are advised to try to calm yourself.

If your view is "what's the point", then "what's the point" in you ranting in here?? Again, calm down!
Sorry! I don't mean to be so rude.

You are saying everyone quitting - not one person - now that we can talk about easier.

Everyone quitting can't happen and what would happen is that they'd be blank airtime - no one could negotiate so many acts in such a short space so the show would be cancelled but probably be up again the following week when solicitors got involved.

But these contracts are pretty watertight so no act is bigger than show - or all of the acts together.

The one thing that ITV and Syco do have is a brilliant ability to make sure something like this does't happen.

And that's not even mentioning the fact of how you could get all acts in the same mind to do it - they wouldn't - most realise that they need the show more than it needs it them so don't want to ruin any chances when they've been trying for years.

Huge audience every week or no audience at all?
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Old 16-11-2010, 20:50
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1) It is perfectly possible for people to quit the show at any time

2) Yes, there may be consequences if they do so

3) My line of thought is what action the show would take in the face of threats to quit.

Maybe if a few quit they'd bring back some wildcards. Maybe they would offer incentives for them to stay on etc. Thoughs like that. The show in total is worth £100 million+. You're never going to squeeze anything like that out of a bunch of unknown people, thus why it's interesting to think about what various approaches they would take if something like that occured.
I see your point - they couldn't possibly get wild cards in - more lawyer malarky - couldn't happen within a week.
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Old 16-11-2010, 20:55
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Sorry! I don't mean to be so rude.

You are saying everyone quitting - not one person - now that we can talk about easier.

Everyone quitting can't happen and what would happen is that they'd be blank airtime - no one could negotiate so many acts in such a short space so the show would be cancelled but probably be up again the following week when solicitors got involved.

But these contracts are pretty watertight so no act is bigger than show - or all of the acts together.

The one thing that ITV and Syco do have is a brilliant ability to make sure something like this does't happen.

And that's not even mentioning the fact of how you could get all acts in the same mind to do it - they wouldn't - most realise that they need the show more than it needs it so don't want to ruin any chances when they've been trying for years.

Huge audience every week or no audience at all?
Why people decide to quit isn't really important, as the premise is that they are already deciding to or thinking about it. As a reference point, I think a few years back several Big Brother contestants threatened to quit at the same time, but didn't go through with it. The idea is just to ponder what would happen if it looked very likely that those taking part were going to quit. I fully understand that those taking part would lose out in some regards in they quit, but my thought is from the perspective of what the show would do 1) if they looked to be ready to quit 2) If some of all of them did quit.

The show earns £100m+ in revenue. It's hard to imagine what they wouldn't do to keep them on the show. The contestants are the show. In a sense they hold the power.

I see your point - they couldn't possibly get wild cards in - more lawyer malarky - couldn't happen within a week.
Yes, on top of that, probably a bit too late in the day to bring new people in.
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Old 16-11-2010, 21:00
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Why people decide to quit isn't really important, as the premise is that they are already deciding to or thinking about it. As a reference point, I think a few years back several Big Brother contestants threatened to quit at the same time, but didn't go through with it. The idea is just to ponder what would happen if it looked very likely that those taking part were going to quit. I fully understand that those taking part would lose out in some regards in they quit, but my thought is from the perspective of what the show would do 1) if they looked to be ready to quit 2) If some of all of them did quit.

The show earns £100m+ in revenue. It's hard to imagine what they wouldn't do to keep them on the show. The contestants are the show. In a sense they hold the power.
They do and they don't. ITV couldn't just bung them a few quid - that just wouldn't be possible - this money they make is earmarked for ITV as a whole so it would take over a week to negotiate.

Big Brother peeps did, so did IAC a few years back but after agents were called it was apparent it wasn't possible.

If they did all do that then I think ITV would have to shelve the programme until it's resolved because you can't just employ new people (assuming you're meaning once the first show has aired) as that would have the audience up in arms too let alone the difficulty of contracting a whole new spectrum of contestants.

I think it would be only a case of repeats and the show's demise in the long run.
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Old 16-11-2010, 21:05
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Simon/The Producers would offer the contestants some money, not a massive amount, something like 100k each if what you said about £75 mil in advertising revenue is true and that wouldn't even be including phone-in votes

Maybe they'd be offer a cut of the money that comes in from votes too then
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Old 16-11-2010, 21:12
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