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Old 17-11-2010, 23:07
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Synergy cheated? Liz copied the other team's car idea which didn't seem to be fair. I don't recall any other task in the history of the show allowing one team to blatantly copy the other's team's idea.

I do recall someone saying they could change the product if the public wanted a different blue screen backdrop but I don't think it was fair for Team Synergy to give up the skiing product and copy the other team's car idea. Still, they lost the task so it didn't matter in the overall grand scheme of things but Liz seemed to be cheating to try and win the task!

I was a tad surprised this wasn't mentioned in the boardroom. Sugar should have said Jamie had suggested the skiing backdrop and it was agreed by all team members, and yet during the actual task Liz went to the other team's stand and copied it. Sugar missed a chance to say: "Liz, do you think that was fair or were you just cheating?"

He's not quite on the ball as he thinks he is!
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Old 17-11-2010, 23:09
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Did you not ever see that episode (could have been The Trump's Apprentice, so maybe not) where one team found out the other had ordered some megaphones (or something like that) from a shop and there weren't any more available?

they just went along and pretended they were for them.

Now, that's cheating
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Old 17-11-2010, 23:11
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Wasn't there some other incident about tennis racket stringing where one team tried to cheat the other.
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Old 17-11-2010, 23:15
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It was a bit sly, but personally I thought she made a decisive decision that I thought would win it for them. It certainly doesn't rank with Moroccan shopkeepers finding themselves being offered a bribe by a certain good jewish boy and ginger from hell.
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Old 17-11-2010, 23:16
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Did you not ever see that episode (could have been The Trump's Apprentice, so maybe not) where one team found out the other had ordered some megaphones (or something like that) from a shop and there weren't any more available?
Never seen the USA version. I can't take Mr Trump seriously. His hair makes me laugh.

But with regard to Liz, I'm pretty sure what she did was underhand or bending the rules. The reality is had Synergy kept with the skiing product they would have lost by a bigger margin. It was changing to the car product that pulled in the punters. Ultimately the reason they lost was due to picking the wrong product - skiing. It wasn't the costing, they chose a less children friendly concept - skiing. As mentioned on You're Fired, kids pretend to drive fast cars, they don't pretend to be Olympic skiers.
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Old 17-11-2010, 23:21
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Ultimately the reason they lost was due to picking the wrong product - skiing. It wasn't the costing, they chose a less children friendly concept - skiing. As mentioned on You're Fired, kids pretend to drive fast cars, they don't pretend to be Olympic skiers.
Reason 342 to have brought Jamie back then and not one of the other two.
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Old 17-11-2010, 23:22
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Wasn't there some other incident about tennis racket stringing where one team tried to cheat the other.
Yes - so funny. The lookout and the scuttling from the shop.

They got caught out though, I seem to remember.
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Old 17-11-2010, 23:24
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Yes - so funny. The lookout and the scuttling from the shop.

They got caught out though, I seem to remember.
Yes, a "cheap trick" as Nick rightly put it.
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Old 17-11-2010, 23:30
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Was that when that Jenny got fired, I'm thinking of the episode in the past series with the African task
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Old 17-11-2010, 23:53
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I was also surprised it wasnt mentioned at all. I remember in a car selling task they copied wearing sashes. Since the ski idea was wrong the person who suggested it should have been fired. They seemed to pay a lot for DVD's. There must be a pound shop there which has them a lot cheaper. Anyway why buy 100 at a go. Buy them during the day as you need them. Apart from Joanna I didnt notice anyone really proving themselves on this task.
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Old 18-11-2010, 00:02
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But with regard to Liz, I'm pretty sure what she did was underhand or bending the rules.
No, it wasn´t. If you watch back the briefing from Lord Sugar it is made very clear that the teams can put whatever they like in front of the blue screen.

I think that you are confusing this task with the art gallery task or the sell certain items to retailers task (like the one where Melissa got fired in week 3 or 4).

Both teams could have picked the same backdrop in this week´s task (and also ended up with just that).
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Old 18-11-2010, 00:09
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People don't particularly want a skiing video but if they did it wouldn't be on an indoor slope in Milton Keynes - it'd be down an precipitous pristine slope! Totally naff choice!
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Old 18-11-2010, 00:21
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The truth is it should have been a more canny move, they used archive footage while Stuart wasted time and money having similar footage reshot, luckily the footage they shot was free.
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Old 18-11-2010, 08:08
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It's obviously not against the task rules, and shows sound business sense. If what you're offering isn't selling and you see your competition selling really well, then copying what they're doing is a good idea. Liz had the one good idea out of that whole team.
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Old 18-11-2010, 08:25
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That's what happens in the real world of business.
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Old 18-11-2010, 08:28
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I too found that odd.
Lord Sugar said nothing about the blatant copying from the other team by getting a car.
Nor did he ask why Sandeesh's team hadn't used their own backup senario.
So in the end I was glad that Stuart's team won for that reason alone.
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Old 18-11-2010, 10:28
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I'm puzzled that people really think that Lordalun would have a problem with copying a proven idea - if anything I'dve thought he'd criticise them for not doing it sooner.
Businesses will always try to copy good ideas - thats why we need patents and copyrights to regulate it.
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Old 18-11-2010, 10:29
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I don't think it was cheating, but a little sneaky in that they saw that the other team was drawing more attractions and copying in an attempt to steal that market. That's business and probably the right way to go if their original product wasn't working, but not really a great quality.

It's the people who come up with the ideas and get it right quicker who will be the most sucessful, rather than the people who trail behind.
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Old 18-11-2010, 10:32
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Cheating? Business isn't GCSE Maths.

'Oo, UPS do a better job than the Royal Mail for our competitors but we can't use them as that would be cheating....' No, I don't see that happening.
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Old 18-11-2010, 10:33
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'Copying' in various forms happens in business all the time. That cannot be classed as cheating.
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Old 18-11-2010, 10:45
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People don't particularly want a skiing video but if they did it wouldn't be on an indoor slope in Milton Keynes - it'd be down an precipitous pristine slope! Totally naff choice!
My first time watching the Apprentice and my last.

What a load of knobs no wonder this country is in such a state if these people are the cream of the crop lol.

I mean how stupid to pick this ski slope. What I didnt get or understand sorry I am thick, was why were they looking at all these wonderful back drops done professionally, I thought they were able to use them or did I miss something?

Anyway so they have clients who want to buy a DVD, and they tell them to come back later to collect the goods. They had loads left over because most people would have been long gone.

Why didnt they take a deposit or ask for the money up front?

And who would want to buy that rubbish anyway.

And the end. Well talk about Judas.

Now I know what PASSING THE BUCK means. The 3 of them at the end the team leader, liz and someone else, instead of standing up together and supporting one another the 2 on the outside totally tried to destroy the team leader just to make themselves look good.

Well sorry Mr Sugar you aint all that because I would have kept the team leader and got rid of one of the others because they were working as A TEAM and therefore had agreed before hand what they were doing, if they were not happy about it then they should have took the team leader to task. Non of them had the balls to work in a board room environment IMHO.

Anyway thats it for me what a load of rubbish lol.
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Old 18-11-2010, 12:53
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My first time watching the Apprentice and my last.

What a load of knobs no wonder this country is in such a state if these people are the cream of the crop lol.
They're not really our best and brightest. Our best and brightest already have good careers and wouldn't want to work for Sugar. These people just want to get their faces on telly.

I mean how stupid to pick this ski slope. What I didnt get or understand sorry I am thick, was why were they looking at all these wonderful back drops done professionally, I thought they were able to use them or did I miss something?
They were allowed to choose 1 of the stock films and had to make another. The ski slope was a bad idea, yes.

Anyway so they have clients who want to buy a DVD, and they tell them to come back later to collect the goods. They had loads left over because most people would have been long gone.

Why didnt they take a deposit or ask for the money up front?
I didn't understand why no deposits were taken either.

And who would want to buy that rubbish anyway.
No idea, obviously some did though.

And the end. Well talk about Judas.

Now I know what PASSING THE BUCK means. The 3 of them at the end the team leader, liz and someone else, instead of standing up together and supporting one another the 2 on the outside totally tried to destroy the team leader just to make themselves look good.

Well sorry Mr Sugar you aint all that because I would have kept the team leader and got rid of one of the others because they were working as A TEAM and therefore had agreed before hand what they were doing, if they were not happy about it then they should have took the team leader to task. Non of them had the balls to work in a board room environment IMHO.

Anyway thats it for me what a load of rubbish lol.
I don't think they plan to jump on one person, it's just how it happens. They sense a weakness and go in for the kill. Since Jamie wasn't there (for the ski slope idea and footage) Sandeesh was the most culpable person for the loss. She was responsible for pricing, sticking with the ski thing for far to long and giving people completely differing rolls for which they'd been trained which resulted in a late start and a possible loss of sales.
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Old 18-11-2010, 13:20
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I think Sugar would see that as 'all's fair in business' TBH. It smacks to me of initiative in seeing what was working for one team and using it to your own advantage. It's called being ruthless.
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Old 18-11-2010, 13:22
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I totally agree with the taking deposits idea. It's a basic which they screwed up on. At least then it's a loss leader.
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Old 18-11-2010, 13:27
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I totally agree with the taking deposits idea. It's a basic which they screwed up on. At least then it's a loss leader.
That both teams failed to take deposits suggests to me it was one of the unmentioned rules of the task.
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