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Old 18-11-2010, 15:12
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Liz is a fox. she is thin, beautiful and has a fearsome rack.

She would be hired time and time again and people will buy from her.

Whether you like it or not - looks go a long long way in business, combine them with a reasonable personality and away you go.
Not disagreeing with you here, ST. In fact, she'd be perfect in Sales.

But not much else...
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Old 18-11-2010, 15:14
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Liz is a fox. she is thin, beautiful and has a fearsome rack.

She would be hired time and time again and people will buy from her.

Whether you like it or not - looks go a long long way in business, combine them with a reasonable personality and away you go.
well men will buy from her yes.
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Old 18-11-2010, 15:16
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Not disagreeing with you here, ST. In fact, she'd be perfect in Sales.

But not much else...
did you see what job the "winner" got last year
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Old 18-11-2010, 15:32
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did you see what job the "winner" got last year
Liz is nothing like Yasmina.

Yasmina had what it takes to be a winner; as mentioned, Liz is just not made from the same stuff.

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Old 18-11-2010, 15:34
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Liz is nothing like Yasmina.

Yasmina had what it takes to be a winner; as mentioned, Liz is just not made from the same stuff.

no i mean the winner got a crap job selling adverts on screens in hospitals

wtf?
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Old 18-11-2010, 15:42
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Liz is nothing like Yasmina.

Yasmina had what it takes to be a winner; as mentioned, Liz is just not made from the same stuff.

Actually, I like them both.

Liz might a bit more girlier then Yaz, but her main disadvantage is being too pretty (the catty reactions are astonishing, I guess this is how Kate fans must have felt last year).

Say what you want about Liz, but she is definitely one of the best candidates this year (both Lord Sugar and Nick have praised her). Whatever you may think about her face or figure.
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Old 18-11-2010, 15:59
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Actually, I like them both.

Liz might a bit more girlier then Yaz, but her main disadvantage is being too pretty (the catty reactions are astonishing, I guess this is how Kate fans must have felt last year).

Say what you want about Liz, but she is definitely one of the best candidates this year (both Lord Sugar and Nick have praised her). Whatever you may think about her face or figure.
To be honest, she hasn't done anything 'dramatic'. Nothing that will keep her in the minds of the masses (apart from that fake tan).

I'm not surprised Sugar and Nick have said what they have; a bit of totty can go a long way (sadly for the wrong reasons).
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Old 18-11-2010, 16:10
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I'm not surprised Sugar and Nick have said what they have; a bit of totty can go a long way (sadly for the wrong reasons).
Well, if the opinion of Lord Sugar and Nick are irrelevant, you might as well chuck the show into the bin
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Old 18-11-2010, 16:11
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Liz won't win. Bank on it.
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Old 18-11-2010, 16:16
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Liz won't win. Bank on it.
I hope that is just a pov and not in any way a spoiler.
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Old 18-11-2010, 16:27
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I'm not surprised Sugar and Nick have said what they have; a bit of totty can go a long way (sadly for the wrong reasons).
Well, if the opinion of Lord Sugar and Nick are irrelevant, you might as well chuck the show into the bin
Nope; I'm going to keep on watching, regardless
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Old 18-11-2010, 16:36
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I don't think Liz is in anyway more overrated than Stella.

Liz has usually made good contributions in most tasks. Stella hasn't really done much imo throughout the whole series, apart from leading the boys' team to a win in episode 2, in which she showed she was competent, but not really outstanding, and they would have lost if Laura hadn't made the wrong decision over exclusivity.

Though I have to say I thought the Cuuli towel was better than the Bookeze
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Old 18-11-2010, 17:30
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Liz was my favourite right from the start and i loved the look she gave when Jamie was going on, but last night i started to prefer Stella.
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Old 18-11-2010, 17:43
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I get distracted by her attractiveness and I imagine that is the same for a lot of guys.

She probably has substance, but given the choice between a fox and a hippo, you know which most blokes would go for, which gives her an edge. personally, of the women, I'd rather work for Jo or Stella - they are both no-nonsense.
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Old 18-11-2010, 19:02
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I get distracted by her attractiveness...
I wouldn't say she's massively attractive, lovely puppies though!
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Old 18-11-2010, 19:31
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I don't know if is because men are hypnotised by her "charms" but I really don't get what she has done to be promoted to the role of "strong candidate".

I am a man I would like to add and yes I would probably ask her out on a date but would I employ her over any of the other candidates? No..........ok other than Baggs who needs to be pushed in front of Lord Sugar’s imaginary bus.....

She got praise for her costings in one episode which was really from when she was working with Stella. She claimed to have put herself forward as PM when Sugar actually put her in the role. She did one good thing in the last episode, which was stealing the opposition’s idea.

All in all she has been pretty ordinary. I think her promotion to mythical business woman is based on a deluded theory that pretty people in business must be better than ordinary looking people in business.
You don't like her but others do.
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Old 18-11-2010, 19:49
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I don't think Liz is in anyway more overrated than Stella.

Liz has usually made good contributions in most tasks. Stella hasn't really done much imo throughout the whole series, apart from leading the boys' team to a win in episode 2, in which she showed she was competent, but not really outstanding, and they would have lost if Laura hadn't made the wrong decision over exclusivity.

Though I have to say I thought the Cuuli towel was better than the Bookeze
Stella is very competent but Liz is ahead on having the right idea at the right time. She 's just smarter than the rest of the field and better at combining the thinking, the selling, the presenting and the team management. Laura has her problems, Joanna isn't that bright, and the boys run the spectrum between useless and overconfident and competent but uninspired.

His Lordship has now said that all of Chris, Liz and Stella are strong candidates but he's satisfied himself he has found some fault with all of them - which either means he has a real issue or he's setting up a close final by suggesting issues with his contenders.

Who wins, more series than not, though has little to do with intelligence or ability. Stella has a more Sugar friendly CV than Liz - although the life journey story may not work as well after Michelle. Liz runs into his problem hiring the most attractive females more than Stella - just as some females have a problem with prettier females, he has to get over his anxiety about being seen to pick one when people will accuse him of going for looks. Stella is possibly Claire or Ruth or Kristina or Debra without the problems. but Liz is actually more like them in selling ability and may be better at strategy. Stella needs a really good idea or two and some real sales success to win - at least on points, but he can and does give points on whatever grounds he thinks of or finds most like his own thinking.

In there too somewhere are his issues about employing lawyers, bankers and marketng people and his liking for people who set up their own businesses (like Michelle and Yasmina) Depends too what the job (or is it something else?) is. Not sure what happened to the idea that he wanted someone to set up their own company as that would change the requirement drastically? Its entirely possible he could still find some bizarre reason for Joanna or Chris or Jaimie or even Christopher to win - Lee won because the job only required a blokey bloke.
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Old 18-11-2010, 19:59
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She also completely miscalculated how many blank dvds were needed; we all heard her carefully work out how many could be done in an hour - she was told 3, at that point told the rest of the team 3 or 4 an hour, and then went on to order double that amount.
She was told a maximum of 4 per hour per machine. They had 2 machines, so Liz calculated 88 correctly. She suggested rounding that up to 100 to allow for wastage, and Sandeesh seemed to want another 10 on top.

Had they only bought 44 as your calculation suggests, they'd have run out, because they needed 55.

I think 90 might have been a reasonable figure. There wasn't going to be much "wastage", and if there was, it'd probably take up burning time and so not increase the maximum they needed. They didn't know when buying that they'd be 50 minutes late starting the next day. So they over-ordered by about 20 DVDs, which cost them £10. And at least half of that was due to Sandeesh.

What's interesting is that we see Liz ask the relevant questions and do the maths. Where-as Stuart just plucks a figure out of thin air. He goes for 30, which was half the number Sandeesh's team used. He was lucky he was able to charge more per DVD, else he'd have run out and lost on quantities.
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Old 18-11-2010, 20:06
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In there too somewhere are his issues about employing lawyers, bankers and marketng people and his liking for people who set up their own businesses (like Michelle and Yasmina) Depends too what the job (or is it something else?) is. Not sure what happened to the idea that he wanted someone to set up their own company as that would change the requirement drastically? Its entirely possible he could still find some bizarre reason for Joanna or Chris or Jaimie or even Christopher to win - Lee won because the job only required a blokey bloke.
That's for the next series to be shown in 2011 (being filmed now).

Lee and Yasmina basically did the same job (initially) so it had nothing to do with being a blokey bloke. To me Lee won because he threw himself at it with a passion (and quite a few rough skills) whereas I always felt Claire was just there for the challenge (rather than the jump in money and change of life that went with it all). Oh and the six months they spent working for Sugar which really decides it

I don't think he has a problem with lawyers or any other profession, it's just their skill set is usually too narrow specialised). Does have a problem with posh people though.
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Old 18-11-2010, 20:12
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She was told a maximum of 4 per hour per machine. They had 2 machines, so Liz calculated 88 correctly. She suggested rounding that up to 100 to allow for wastage, and Sandeesh seemed to want another 10 on top.

Had they only bought 44 as your calculation suggests, they'd have run out, because they needed 55.

I think 90 might have been a reasonable figure. There wasn't going to be much "wastage", and if there was, it'd probably take up burning time and so not increase the maximum they needed. They didn't know when buying that they'd be 50 minutes late starting the next day. So they over-ordered by about 20 DVDs, which cost them £10. And at least half of that was due to Sandeesh.

What's interesting is that we see Liz ask the relevant questions and do the maths. Where-as Stuart just plucks a figure out of thin air. He goes for 30, which was half the number Sandeesh's team used. He was lucky he was able to charge more per DVD, else he'd have run out and lost on quantities.
Good post.
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Old 18-11-2010, 20:12
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I like Liz - she's a good teamworker and has some charm and intelligence but she's a bit lightweight
I think both Stella and Jo are better although Stella finds it hard to hide her true feelings ha ha
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Old 18-11-2010, 20:19
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That's for the next series to be shown in 2011 (being filmed now).

Lee and Yasmina basically did the same job (initially) so it had nothing to do with being a blokey bloke. To me Lee won because he threw himself at it with a passion (and quite a few rough skills) whereas I always felt Claire was just there for the challenge (rather than the jump in money and change of life that went with it all). Oh and the six months they spent working for Sugar which really decides it

I don't think he has a problem with lawyers or any other profession, it's just their skill set is usually too narrow specialised). Does have a problem with posh people though.
Are you part of the "process"
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Old 18-11-2010, 20:40
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She was told a maximum of 4 per hour per machine. They had 2 machines, so Liz calculated 88 correctly. She suggested rounding that up to 100 to allow for wastage, and Sandeesh seemed to want another 10 on top.

Had they only bought 44 as your calculation suggests, they'd have run out, because they needed 55.

I think 90 might have been a reasonable figure. There wasn't going to be much "wastage", and if there was, it'd probably take up burning time and so not increase the maximum they needed. They didn't know when buying that they'd be 50 minutes late starting the next day. So they over-ordered by about 20 DVDs, which cost them £10. And at least half of that was due to Sandeesh.

What's interesting is that we see Liz ask the relevant questions and do the maths. Where-as Stuart just plucks a figure out of thin air. He goes for 30, which was half the number Sandeesh's team used. He was lucky he was able to charge more per DVD, else he'd have run out and lost on quantities.
As you're making quite a markup on each DVD it makes sense to ensure you don't run out. Maybe you'll ruin a few burns or get a duff DVD (yeah get them from Poundland). Maybe you can't get more stock (in the rules) or it takes someone's time to locate more good stock (at a higher price probably). The real life version would be selling at an exhibition. It's a one off so estimate on the higher side if you've not got historic sales to go by.

Sandeesh's team tried to under cut the competion. Not really going to work late in the day bearing in mind your sales are throttled by how many you can make there and them. If they had done it earlier they would have sold more but for the strange choice of skiing.

Stuart was lucky. The higher price (and people seeing and hearing the problems) would have impacted sales. That the other team sold nearly twice as many shows what a better operation should have done. He'd have run out of dvd's.

I think the three things that sank Sandeesh were firstly the choice of skiing, next lowering of prices (certainly to too low), lastly losing an hour. It would have been better if someone had seen how the others were doing and learnt earlier, but that's Sandeesh''s call rather than Liz's. The latter made small errors but they were only really noticable with hindsight. And Sandeesh signed off on those choices anyway.
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Old 18-11-2010, 20:55
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It depends who by. The genreal public, or Sugar ? The former is fairly meaningless, and you can make very convincing arguments for Sugar overrating numerous others, chiefly:

Sophocles
Hopkins
McQueen
Sidatan

- two truly awful contestants and two extremely average ones who actually 'won'.

From this series Laura is remarkably lucky to still be there, as is Baggs.
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Old 18-11-2010, 20:56
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Does have a problem with posh people though.
Didn't stop him hiring Simon over Cristina in series three though.
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