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Liz is a fox. she is thin, beautiful and has a fearsome rack.
She would be hired time and time again and people will buy from her. Whether you like it or not - looks go a long long way in business, combine them with a reasonable personality and away you go. |
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"I think both Stella and Jo are better although Stella finds it hard to hide her true feelings ha ha""
I think Stella is hiding a lot. I still cant work her out. Does she want the job or doesnt she. I get the feeling she doesnt but is helping Joanna who really needs it to get it. Laura was left out so she had to join Stuart. We will see a new side of Stella soon. |
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Didn't stop him hiring Simon over Cristina in series three though.
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Whereas looking like a grumpy walnut won't?
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Kristina came over as much more aggressive and even as a bit of a hustler at times.
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Kristina's other problem was that she was good, but rather robotic. By that I mean she was largely focused on selling to the exclusion of all else. I worry that the editing may also be setting up Liz as being robotic as well. Still, that trick with the car and bike video isn't quite as sly as Kristina offering the candy to kids, and then getting the parents to pay...
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I'd use the word underhand, and even then that's being charitable. Is robotic the new word for 'shows proper professional skills'? Some people don't throw tantrums, say really stupid things just to appear clever (Baggs, Ben, most of them) and it doesn't mean they are shallow. Just perfectly suited for lightweight tv presenting duties
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I think Stella is hiding a lot. I still cant work her out. Does she want the job or doesnt she.
However, I also suspect a lot of that is due to the editing. She wasn't the only one in the shop window, for example; she was just the only one featured in the edit. |
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that trick with the car and bike video...
There are tasks where the brief requires coming up with an original product, but that didn't apply here. |
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I don't understand why people have a problem with what Liz did there. It's quite common, in both business and The Apprentice, to scope out what the competition are doing and learn from it. It's not cheating, and it's not unethical, because what she observed wasn't secret, and the other team could have done the same.
There are tasks where the brief requires coming up with an original product, but that didn't apply here. I was just bringing it up when Liz was being compared to Kristina. I don't disagree with what you said.
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I don't understand why people have a problem with what Liz did there. It's quite common, in both business and The Apprentice, to scope out what the competition are doing and learn from it. It's not cheating, and it's not unethical, because what she observed wasn't secret, and the other team could have done the same.
There are tasks where the brief requires coming up with an original product, but that didn't apply here. If there had been a problem AS would doubtless have said something. I get the feeling that it's just something that people who don't like Liz are using to bash her. |
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In this case it was cheating. A shopping mall would normally not allow someone to copy someone else's product and undercut it. This is what happened here. They were only selling one product, and because they undercut the other team they sold more DVDs than the other team. Just imagine, would you condiser it an apprentice task for two teams to sell exactly the same product in the same shopping mall and see who makes the most money. And each can decide at what price to sell it at! I think £15 was a very high price and that is why they were not collected, I am not sure whose idea it was. It may also be that Joanna took too long over each child, and I dont really credit her team for winning and neither did Stella.
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In this case it was cheating..
I would say that since they were given a limited number of archive backgrounds and there was no element of which team gets which first it was probably explicitly allowed that they both used the same subject. And, once they realised that the skiing was not working they would have been very limited in what they could switch to. Unless the people running the task say it was cheating it's a bit of a stretch to make that determination yourself when you haven't seen the rules. |
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If thats the case the rules have to be changed. They have to say in advance what background they will use. and not use any other. Why didnt they sell the same clothes in trafford and see who could do better. Why didnt they sell the same articles to the hardware shops and see who could do better. The reason, that is not 'sporting' at all and downright cheating.
Not everything has to be in the rules. When Jenny told the tennis stringer not to do the others teams she was thrown out for that even though its not in the rules. Why LS allowed it, I suppose it was too late in the day and karen has allowed it. And he anyway knew they had lost. I cant see Margaret a solicitor allowing it. |
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I'm female and I think Liz is beautiful and I liked her up until wednesday but her cheating really pissed me off
I like stella the best out of the girls and Jamie out of the boys but Stuart is the best entertainment of the whole lot of them
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If thats the case the rules have to be changed.
I'm sure they'll drop what they are doing and jump to it. Probably won't be retrospective, though. Quote:
They have to say in advance what background they will use. and not use any other.
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Why didnt they sell the same clothes in trafford and see who could do better. Why didnt they sell the same articles to the hardware shops and see who could do better.
Some tasks they have the same things some they don't.Theres usually a buying and/or selling task where they each have the same list of items. Quote:
The reason, that is not 'sporting' at all and downright cheating.
Again, your opinion, but not one that was backed up by the production company or AS.Don't forget, this is a game and in a game you go with the rules you are given. Quote:
Not everything has to be in the rules. When Jenny told the tennis stringer not to do the others teams she was thrown out for that even though its not in the rules. Why LS allowed it, I suppose it was too late in the day and karen has allowed it. And he anyway knew they had lost. I cant see Margaret a solicitor allowing it.
You seem to be very strongly wedded to your view but that does not alter the fact that the people who make the rules (and whether you can or cannot use the same 'product' as your competitor is pretty fundamental and not 'obvious' in the way that interfering with the other team's arrangements is) and who are known to step in frequently and disallow things the teams come up with raised no objection.So you're rather out on a limb here, And, BTW, you can have more than one company selling the same product - it happens all the time - so I'm not sure why you thing Margaret would have raised an objection. |
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I'm female and I think Liz is beautiful and I liked her up until wednesday but her cheating really pissed me off
The people who set the rules were quite happy to allow it so why people here who have not even glimpsed the rules feel they are able to make dogmatic accusations of cheating without the essential knowledge of what the actual rules were is a bit of a mystery. |
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Is it just me that doesn't think Liz is that attractive? I mean she would be stunning but she's far too thin. At some angles her face look almost skeletal (and her boobs have to be fake, its extremely unlikely that someone that thin would have boobs that big naturally).
Not that it makes one jot of difference to how good she is. I thought Sandeesh and Paloma were gorgeous but Liz is a better candidate than both of them combined. |
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There was no cheating.
The people who set the rules were quite happy to allow it so why people here who have not even glimpsed the rules feel they are able to make dogmatic accusations of cheating without the essential knowledge of what the actual rules were is a bit of a mystery. |
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There was no cheating.
The people who set the rules were quite happy to allow it so why people here who have not even glimpsed the rules feel they are able to make dogmatic accusations of cheating without the essential knowledge of what the actual rules were is a bit of a mystery. |
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To me its fundamental. And as I wrote no shopping mall would allow a one product store to compete with the same article with another one. I do remember some previous episodes where the apprentice team was selling a new article and other shops in the same mall were selling it cheaper. Was is it some baby product. They did complain about it though.
I wrote as well that Karen who is inexperienced allowed it so LS couldnt say anything. I would have used a double car to fit two kids in. So could sell two DVDs for the same work. Also a queue helps a lot. Since they had so much free time, I would have allowed kids to do it free, and then when a paying kid turned up let him jump the queue. |
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it might not technically be cheating but IMO someone who steals someone else's idea, is untrustworthy and therefore I would get rid
If there's anyone 'cheating' around here it's the people who are trying to blame someone for acting in an underhand way when it was quite clear that had broken no rule, implicit or explicit of the particular task. Finding someone guilty of breaking a 'law' that you yourself have made up after the event when those organising the event had not only raised no objection but had actually facilitated it by providing the stock footage is absurd. It's not even clear whether or not they had any option as we were not told if they had any other stock footage and, even if they had, whether suitable props could be located in Westfield at short notice. |
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To me its fundamental. And as I wrote no shopping mall would allow a one product store to compete with the same article with another one.
Have you ever been to Westfield? There are numerous outlets selling the same merchandise. Quote:
I do remember some previous episodes where the apprentice team was selling a new article and other shops in the same mall were selling it cheaper. Was is it some baby product. They did complain about it though. Karen (and Nick and Margaret) are observers not referees.I wrote as well that Karen who is inexperienced allowed it so LS couldnt say anything. It's well known that the production team can and frequently do micromanage what the teams can and cannot do at all stages of the task. If the team were doing something that was against the rules they would have been stopped, or, if allowed to continue, penalised for it later. |
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I don't think it was cheating but it did show a lack of imagination from Liz (and the rest of the team but that goes without saying, at least she had the initiative to look at what the other team were doing which makes her better than Chris who just decided to be lazy and moan about the price being to high).
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She clearly knew she was in the wrong as she took a quick look and legged it
I like stella the best out of the girls |
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