Which is why these studies should use multiple regression or something else to take these factors into account.

Generally in the interest of fairness, every couple should go first and last etc. A lot of couples have said that it is very difficult to go first and it might be that the performance is then compromised. It might not mean that this couple then goes out on the night, but it might lead to a perception of the couple as less strong. If that makes sense (it did in my head).
Last edited by lach doch mal : 19-11-2010 at 17:21

Show off!

And yes what you wrote did make sense lach

Jimi has. He went first twice.

Or am I dreaming?

You must be a genius, as it didn't make much sense when I read it back.

I think you made a very valid point with the different factors though, because of these, the producers should make sure that there is some degree of fairness.

I meant in the week they went on first/second, not ever.

Of Jimi? If you're anything like me then always!

Yes he went first twice and those performances were only a couple of weeks apart too.

My friend said if you could go on and dance first in Strictly and open the show with the same impact as Freddie Mercury and Queen did in Live Aid at Wembly no one is going to remember who came on and danced second third or fourth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDckgX3oU_w

Sid I always have a spare minute to dream of Jimi.

I thought he did; though as Monkseal is saying, it didn't mean he went the same week as the first dance. Lucky for us !

Last week Kara & Artem danced first and were top of the leader board at the end of the show. This has happened more than I expected -

SERIES 1 - WEEK 2 Natasha & Brendan
SERIES 1 - WEEK 8 (FINAL) Natasha & Brendan

SERIES 2 - WEEK 2 Jill & Darren (joint)

SERIES 3 - WEEK 8 Colin & Erin

SERIES 5 - WEEK 6 Gethin & Camilla
SERIES 5 - WEEK 10 Gethin & Camilla
SERIES 5 - WEEK 11 Alesha & Matthew

SERIES 6 - WEEK 3 Austin & Erin
SERIES 6 - WEEK 7 Austin & Erin
SERIES 6 - WEEK 8 Tom & Camilla (joint)
SERIES 6 - WEEK 13 Lisa & Brendan (joint)


Couples who danced first and were then eliminated or only saved by the judges -

SERIES 1 - WEEK 6 Martin & Erin
SERIES 1 - WEEK 7 Lesley & Anton

SERIES 2 - WEEK 5 Sarah & Brendan
SERIES 2 - WEEK 6 Roger & Camilla
SERIES 2 - WEEK 7 Aled & Lilia

SERIES 3 - WEEK 7 Bill & Karen

SERIES 4 - WEEK 6 Ray & Camilla
SERIES 4 - WEEK 9 Carol & Matthew

SERIES 5 - WEEK 2 Stephanie & Vincent

SERIES 6 - WEEK 10 Lisa & Brendan (saved by judges)
SERIES 6 - WEEK 11 Rachel & Vincent (saved by judges)
SERIES 6 - WEEK 12 Austin & Erin

SERIES 7 - WEEK 1 Rav & Aliona (saved by judges)
SERIES 7 - WEEK 6 Jade & Ian (saved by judges)
SERIES 7 - WEEK 9 Phil & Katya
SERIES 7 - WEEK 14 (FINAL) Ricky & Natalie

It soes seem unfair that Pamela & Kara have gone first twice. Although I guess as the numbers dwindle then any disadvantage to going first reduces.

No you are not dreaming! Jimi went first on the Saturday night in Week 1 and in Week 4.

Grossly unfair. Still, not exactly unexpected, I suppose.

True, the so-called primacy and recency effects - we're more likely to remember the first and last items in a series of information than those in the middle (and therefore more likely to get votes).

Although Patsy hasn't been on 1st she's been in the first half in all but 1 week.

I think (sorry if i'm wrong) that Monkseal means that no-one who's gone first has been eliminated that night so far in this series

The same with Eurovision, they dealt with the problem by opening voting from the start. It made a bit of a difference.

Going first has the disadvantage for people like Kara, Scott and Matt of basically guaranteeing they won't get 40, as the judges won't give out a perfect score on the off-chance that someone does better later on.

For fairness' sake it really should be Scott first this week - he's been at or near the end 3 weeks running, whereas even though Ann, Patsy and Gavin have never been first, they've all been middle of the order the past few weeks.

Rachel got a 39 from the opening slot, and Alesha got a 38. Ricky got a perfect 50/50 in the opening slot on the final last year. I don't think any of the judges really hold back from giving a 10 to an opening dance to be honest.

This is besides the fact that, judging from training, if either Matt or Scott get a 40/40 for their sambas, the judges will have to be on some weapon's grade crack.

I think it's very likely that they'll both be severely overmarked this week.

Of course they will, it's harder for the men they have to lead don't you know.

Though why anyone needs to lead during a learnt routine I don't know.

I suppose it's that if a female celeb forgets a bit of the routine it's easier for the male pro to improvise and lead through the error. If a male celeb forgets a bit of the routine it becomes more obvious when the female pro has to improvise and lead the male through the lead. Even in learnt routines the male should have the appearance of being the dominant dancer. (I'm sure there are plenty of dancers out there who can correct me if i'm wrong in my assumption).

However, for all who say it's harder for the male celeb as they have to lead you have to remember that female celebs do the dances in high heels, going backwards in the most part and with your head stuck to one side for ballroom so there's pros and cons to both.

BBC Strictly have put up the dress rehearsal pictures in this order.......not necessarily the correct running order but as they go Samba/AS/Samba etc etc it stands a good chance

Scott
Gavin
Patsy
Kara
Ann
Pam
Matt
Felicity.

They have now tweeted to say this isnt necessarily the running order as phone signal has been off an on !!

Its impossible to show statistically, but I have the impression that going first tends to hamper your scores from the judges.
The producers also tend to put a good couple on first, which would reduce the likelyhood of the first couple being in the bottom two.

This will have been their drug of choice on the infamous 9 for that rumba week then will it??!!

I will be surprised if they don't continue their preference for Scott and Matt going after Kara in the running order (will have to beetle off to page 1 of thread now to see if that has happened every week!!)