Originally Posted by j4Rose:
“Matt is about as sexy as a puppy. He's far too nice and bland to be sexy.”
“Matt is about as sexy as a puppy. He's far too nice and bland to be sexy.”
Ssssscotttt on the other hand
Yum!
Predatory Pamela!
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Originally Posted by brendan's girl:
“Me too
His hip wiggles make me cringe a little bit.”
“Me too
His hip wiggles make me cringe a little bit.”
They make me feel queasy
I am totally bored by Pamela's cougar role now and I wish that occasionally the dance would tell a different story.
Originally Posted by lynwood3:
“I am totally bored by Pamela's cougar role now and I wish that occasionally the dance would tell a different story.”
“I am totally bored by Pamela's cougar role now and I wish that occasionally the dance would tell a different story.”
Me too.
The Cha Cha Cha made me think of Gypsy Rose Lee and generally in Pamela's demeanour, I see Mae West.
(Not the slang version but the real Mae West
)I'm the first person to advocate women having a more assertive, dominant role in everything, not just dancing, but I'm afraid Pamela embarrasses me.
I'm sure she is a lovely person away from the cameras but I don't like what I see on Strictly from her - alternating femme fatale with coy, simpering "li'l' Ol' Me" and I can't make up my mind which is worse
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“I think there is when it's done in the context of an American Smooth.
I found Pamela's role more suited to a Tango or a Salsa or Cha Cha.
I certainly wasn't offended by it though (takes a lot to offend me!), but I was slightly puzzled and made to cringe.”
“I think there is when it's done in the context of an American Smooth.
I found Pamela's role more suited to a Tango or a Salsa or Cha Cha.
I certainly wasn't offended by it though (takes a lot to offend me!), but I was slightly puzzled and made to cringe.”
Yeah, but Kara and Artem's dance was just as powerful and provocative in its story telling, but it had traditional gender roles, and any drive from the female side was played demurely. The male side was just as aggressive and dominant as the role Pamela took on.
(Not directed to anyone in particular)..... I think the reason Pamela has caused such a vehement reaction on these forums is because she is sexually threatening to other women. Of course, not literally, as few people here are likely to meet her, but, I mean, she is not a 'womans woman'. She's flamboyant, egotistical, attractive, successful, intelligent, comfortable in her own skin, and sexually predatory – or at least, that's how she plays it.
Where as, I personally find Patsy considerably more hammy and 'fake' with her non-stop “thanks” and faux humility. But, she does it demurely and is apologetic. She played the 'self confidence' card and since 'over come' it, thus immediately ingratiated herself with the core demographic of viewers – I found this uber hammy. Patsy plays sexy, but is non-threatening to other females because she does so submissively.
But whatever, I though Pamela's dance was one of the best of the night, and as I say, it's just a matter of personal taste.
Originally Posted by Linda_Dean:
“Yeah, but Kara and Artem's dance was just as powerful and provocative in its story telling, but it had traditional gender roles, and any drive from the female side was played demurely. The male side was just as aggressive and dominant as the role Pamela took on.
(Not directed to anyone in particular)..... I think the reason Pamela has caused such a vehement reaction on these forums is because she is sexually threatening to other women. Of course, not literally, as few people here are likely to meet her, but, I mean, she is not a 'womans woman'. She's flamboyant, egotistical, attractive, successful, intelligent, comfortable in her own skin, and sexually predatory – or at least, that's how she plays it.
Where as, I personally find Patsy considerably more hammy and 'fake' with her non-stop “thanks” and faux humility. But, she does it demurely and is apologetic. She played the 'self confidence' card and since 'over come' it, thus immediately ingratiated herself with the core demographic of viewers – I found this uber hammy. Patsy plays sexy, but is non-threatening to other females because she does so submissively.
But whatever, I though Pamela's dance was one of the best of the night, and as I say, it's just a matter of personal taste.”
“Yeah, but Kara and Artem's dance was just as powerful and provocative in its story telling, but it had traditional gender roles, and any drive from the female side was played demurely. The male side was just as aggressive and dominant as the role Pamela took on.
(Not directed to anyone in particular)..... I think the reason Pamela has caused such a vehement reaction on these forums is because she is sexually threatening to other women. Of course, not literally, as few people here are likely to meet her, but, I mean, she is not a 'womans woman'. She's flamboyant, egotistical, attractive, successful, intelligent, comfortable in her own skin, and sexually predatory – or at least, that's how she plays it.
Where as, I personally find Patsy considerably more hammy and 'fake' with her non-stop “thanks” and faux humility. But, she does it demurely and is apologetic. She played the 'self confidence' card and since 'over come' it, thus immediately ingratiated herself with the core demographic of viewers – I found this uber hammy. Patsy plays sexy, but is non-threatening to other females because she does so submissively.
But whatever, I though Pamela's dance was one of the best of the night, and as I say, it's just a matter of personal taste.”
I agree with that. I find Pamela a bit OTT, but Patsy's act is 100% false. At least Pamela is being herself to a certain extent.
Originally Posted by Linda_Dean:
“Yeah, but Kara and Artem's dance was just as powerful and provocative in its story telling, but it had traditional gender roles, and any drive from the female side was played demurely. The male side was just as aggressive and dominant as the role Pamela took on.
(Not directed to anyone in particular)..... I think the reason Pamela has caused such a vehement reaction on these forums is because she is sexually threatening to other women. Of course, not literally, as few people here are likely to meet her, but, I mean, she is not a 'womans woman'. She's flamboyant, egotistical, attractive, successful, intelligent, comfortable in her own skin, and sexually predatory – or at least, that's how she plays it.
Where as, I personally find Patsy considerably more hammy and 'fake' with her non-stop “thanks” and faux humility. But, she does it demurely and is apologetic. She played the 'self confidence' card and since 'over come' it, thus immediately ingratiated herself with the core demographic of viewers – I found this uber hammy. Patsy plays sexy, but is non-threatening to other females because she does so submissively.
But whatever, I though Pamela's dance was one of the best of the night, and as I say, it's just a matter of personal taste.”
“Yeah, but Kara and Artem's dance was just as powerful and provocative in its story telling, but it had traditional gender roles, and any drive from the female side was played demurely. The male side was just as aggressive and dominant as the role Pamela took on.
(Not directed to anyone in particular)..... I think the reason Pamela has caused such a vehement reaction on these forums is because she is sexually threatening to other women. Of course, not literally, as few people here are likely to meet her, but, I mean, she is not a 'womans woman'. She's flamboyant, egotistical, attractive, successful, intelligent, comfortable in her own skin, and sexually predatory – or at least, that's how she plays it.
Where as, I personally find Patsy considerably more hammy and 'fake' with her non-stop “thanks” and faux humility. But, she does it demurely and is apologetic. She played the 'self confidence' card and since 'over come' it, thus immediately ingratiated herself with the core demographic of viewers – I found this uber hammy. Patsy plays sexy, but is non-threatening to other females because she does so submissively.
But whatever, I though Pamela's dance was one of the best of the night, and as I say, it's just a matter of personal taste.”
Funnily enough, I'd have thought Kara would have been seen as more sexually threatening than Pamela. She's young, attractive, flirty and fun.....but she hasn't provoked much of a negative reaction on here.
I agree her American Smooth had quite a seductive feel to it as well. But it was performed with greater subtlety and style. It didn't feel as full on or forced to me.
Like you say though, it boils down to personal preference
Originally Posted by Linda_Dean:
“Yeah, but Kara and Artem's dance was just as powerful and provocative in its story telling, but it had traditional gender roles, and any drive from the female side was played demurely. The male side was just as aggressive and dominant as the role Pamela took on.
(Not directed to anyone in particular)..... I think the reason Pamela has caused such a vehement reaction on these forums is because she is sexually threatening to other women. Of course, not literally, as few people here are likely to meet her, but, I mean, she is not a 'womans woman'. She's flamboyant, egotistical, attractive, successful, intelligent, comfortable in her own skin, and sexually predatory – or at least, that's how she plays it.
Where as, I personally find Patsy considerably more hammy and 'fake' with her non-stop “thanks” and faux humility. But, she does it demurely and is apologetic. She played the 'self confidence' card and since 'over come' it, thus immediately ingratiated herself with the core demographic of viewers – I found this uber hammy. Patsy plays sexy, but is non-threatening to other females because she does so submissively.
But whatever, I though Pamela's dance was one of the best of the night, and as I say, it's just a matter of personal taste.”
“Yeah, but Kara and Artem's dance was just as powerful and provocative in its story telling, but it had traditional gender roles, and any drive from the female side was played demurely. The male side was just as aggressive and dominant as the role Pamela took on.
(Not directed to anyone in particular)..... I think the reason Pamela has caused such a vehement reaction on these forums is because she is sexually threatening to other women. Of course, not literally, as few people here are likely to meet her, but, I mean, she is not a 'womans woman'. She's flamboyant, egotistical, attractive, successful, intelligent, comfortable in her own skin, and sexually predatory – or at least, that's how she plays it.
Where as, I personally find Patsy considerably more hammy and 'fake' with her non-stop “thanks” and faux humility. But, she does it demurely and is apologetic. She played the 'self confidence' card and since 'over come' it, thus immediately ingratiated herself with the core demographic of viewers – I found this uber hammy. Patsy plays sexy, but is non-threatening to other females because she does so submissively.
But whatever, I though Pamela's dance was one of the best of the night, and as I say, it's just a matter of personal taste.”
I agree about Patsy who I find irritatingly fake and effusive ,
but I disagree about Pamela I dont think she is really confident in her own skin at all, I think she plays the tough confident woman , but overplays it so that assertiveness occasionally tips over to agressiveness and tonight was one of those nights
I find that really self confident people dont need to tell you that they are happy in ther own skin
overmarked or what !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I liked it to a point but thought it was more tango than foxtrot
I thought it was 2 lifts you could do not 3 in an AS (I could be wrong)
I liked it to a point but thought it was more tango than foxtrot
I thought it was 2 lifts you could do not 3 in an AS (I could be wrong)
Originally Posted by shefair:
“I agree about Patsy who I find irritatingly fake and effusive ,
but I disagree about Pamela I dont think she is really confident in her own skin at all, I think she plays the tough confident woman , but overplays it so that assertiveness occasionally tips over to agressiveness and tonight was one of those nights
I find that really self confident people dont need to tell you that they are happy in ther own skin”
“I agree about Patsy who I find irritatingly fake and effusive ,
but I disagree about Pamela I dont think she is really confident in her own skin at all, I think she plays the tough confident woman , but overplays it so that assertiveness occasionally tips over to agressiveness and tonight was one of those nights
I find that really self confident people dont need to tell you that they are happy in ther own skin”
I think Pamela is very insecure. She's so used to being tough and aggressive that she doesn't really know who she is any more.
Patsy knows exactly what she's doing IMO.
Originally Posted by Linda_Dean:
“I thought it was brilliant and in relation to the scoring overall tonight, was just about right. There is a huge amount of mind-boggling overscoring this series anyway, but this dance was definitely in my top 2.
I don't think it was too predatory at all, it went with the story of the dance – there's nothing wrong with a sexually aggressive lady being portrayed. It's all about personal taste, and I'm not offended by the portrayal of a sexually dominant woman taking the lead
. It suits her personality, and I quite like the role reversal – makes a change from the ubiquitous demure female wallflower playing hard to get.”
“I thought it was brilliant and in relation to the scoring overall tonight, was just about right. There is a huge amount of mind-boggling overscoring this series anyway, but this dance was definitely in my top 2.
I don't think it was too predatory at all, it went with the story of the dance – there's nothing wrong with a sexually aggressive lady being portrayed. It's all about personal taste, and I'm not offended by the portrayal of a sexually dominant woman taking the lead
. It suits her personality, and I quite like the role reversal – makes a change from the ubiquitous demure female wallflower playing hard to get.”
I absolutely agree with you!! I loved every second of that dance!
And the two 10's were absolutely deserved.
Originally Posted by Donna16:
“I agree with this
Loved Pamela & James' routine tonight and felt that they fully deserved their place on the leader board.
I agree that their foxtrot was beautiful, but I love the fact that Pamela can dance in many different styles and always mange to pull it off.
The choreography was great in my opinion, the routine suited them and I thought Pamela danced really well.”
“I agree with this
Loved Pamela & James' routine tonight and felt that they fully deserved their place on the leader board.
I agree that their foxtrot was beautiful, but I love the fact that Pamela can dance in many different styles and always mange to pull it off.
The choreography was great in my opinion, the routine suited them and I thought Pamela danced really well.”
I argee everyone was over-marked I think even Anne which says about how shockingly bad I thought she was. Ironically I think Patsy deserved a higher mark than Felicity - ironically because I've always felt Patsy was over-marked. I do understand the guy who's night was ruined by seeing Kara critised I felt the same way about Patsy's jive scoring higher than Pamela's at Halleoweon. After being the sane one two weeks ago Alesha's marking and comments are back to being the usual bat's arse.
I think Pamela is being pretty clever. And let's not forget, James is not easy - fiercely competative and pretty tough in the training room. I think she's playing him pretty well - and if it helps her get through another week....
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“Funnily enough, I'd have thought Kara would have been seen as more sexually threatening than Pamela. She's young, attractive, flirty and fun.....but she hasn't provoked much of a negative reaction on here.
I agree her American Smooth had quite a seductive feel to it as well. But it was performed with greater subtlety and style. It didn't feel as full on or forced to me.
Like you say though, it boils down to personal preference”
“Funnily enough, I'd have thought Kara would have been seen as more sexually threatening than Pamela. She's young, attractive, flirty and fun.....but she hasn't provoked much of a negative reaction on here.
I agree her American Smooth had quite a seductive feel to it as well. But it was performed with greater subtlety and style. It didn't feel as full on or forced to me.
Like you say though, it boils down to personal preference
”
Yeah, but Kara has a 'ditzy' and goofy persona which is less threatening as lots of women could imagine going out for a drink with her, not to mention she is a great dancer. I suspect if she wasn't 'ditzy', she would be gone by now. Her flirty side is also demure and submissive and she also does humility well. Where as, with Pamela, all her overt, dominant sexuality she plays on is quite believable (whether it is true or not).
Originally Posted by shefair:
“I agree about Patsy who I find irritatingly fake and effusive ,
but I disagree about Pamela I dont think she is really confident in her own skin at all, I think she plays the tough confident woman , but overplays it so that assertiveness occasionally tips over to agressiveness and tonight was one of those nights
I find that really self confident people dont need to tell you that they are happy in ther own skin”
“I agree about Patsy who I find irritatingly fake and effusive ,
but I disagree about Pamela I dont think she is really confident in her own skin at all, I think she plays the tough confident woman , but overplays it so that assertiveness occasionally tips over to agressiveness and tonight was one of those nights
I find that really self confident people dont need to tell you that they are happy in ther own skin”
I don't often shout at the TV, but I found myself telling my TV box, whilst Patsy was on, “oh, for crying out loud, just SHUT UP WOMAN”! Lol.
But, I don't go in for all this 'so-in-so is not really confident/happy/etc'. It doesn't really mean anything, and you can't judge people you've never met by a TV persona. Thing is, to want to be a celebrity you must generally crave attention, and people who crave attention in such a way are often insecure. In fairness to Pamela, I don't recall her actually saying 'I'm comfortable in my own skin'. Rather it's an impression she gives off.
Originally Posted by Linda_Dean:
“Yeah, but Kara has a 'ditzy' and goofy persona which is less threatening as lots of women could imagine going out for a drink with her, not to mention she is a great dancer. I suspect if she wasn't 'ditzy', she would be gone by now. Her flirty side is also demure and submissive and she also does humility well. Where as, with Pamela, all her overt, dominant sexuality she plays on is quite believable (whether it is true or not).”
“Yeah, but Kara has a 'ditzy' and goofy persona which is less threatening as lots of women could imagine going out for a drink with her, not to mention she is a great dancer. I suspect if she wasn't 'ditzy', she would be gone by now. Her flirty side is also demure and submissive and she also does humility well. Where as, with Pamela, all her overt, dominant sexuality she plays on is quite believable (whether it is true or not).”
I find Pamela's tendency to bring up her 'teetering' moment an attempt to play the ditz and you can't get more submissive than giving James 10 push ups whenever you make a mistake!
I sort of know what your driving at but I'm more inclined to agree with shefair. I don't believe Pamela is as self confident and empowered as she makes out. Her constant need to speak as if she is suggests to me that she's quite insecure deep down and is putting on a bit of a facade.
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“I find Pamela's tendency to bring up her 'teetering' moment an attempt to play the ditz and you can't get more submissive than giving James 10 push ups whenever you make a mistake!
I sort of know what your driving at but I'm more inclined to agree with shefair. I don't believe Pamela is as self confident and empowered as she makes out. Her constant need to speak as if she is suggests to me that she's quite insecure deep down and is putting on a bit of a facade.”
“I find Pamela's tendency to bring up her 'teetering' moment an attempt to play the ditz and you can't get more submissive than giving James 10 push ups whenever you make a mistake!
I sort of know what your driving at but I'm more inclined to agree with shefair. I don't believe Pamela is as self confident and empowered as she makes out. Her constant need to speak as if she is suggests to me that she's quite insecure deep down and is putting on a bit of a facade.”
Hi again Sid
I hear you, but she is just playing up to the camera like they all are, it's all fake, in that context. The teetering moment was made a big deal of, with the footage being played over and over, so she is playing up to it. Like, for example, when I do something embarrassing, I try to embrace it and make a joke of it, rather than let the sheer gut wrenching embarrassment swallow me up – I just got the impression she is doing the same; I mean, crikey, she nearly went ass over tit on live national TV and everyone laughed over and over again, you gotta shrug that off somehow lol
. The press up thing is just a power game, and all for show, it's not about being submissive or not. Conversely, one could say she is 'tough' for doing press ups. Honestly, I think it's just a chance for them to both show off on camera. Not much of the stuff outside of the dances interests me really. But also, 'speaking as if she is' “empowered”, rather than saying 'I'm empowered', is a huge difference. But either way, none of this really matters, as we both agree, the dance is a matter of personal taste, and that's what's important. I thoroughly enjoyed the non-traditional take on her American smooth, with the woman in the dominant role. I can't be doing with all this 'Oh-I'm-a-woman,-I-want-him,-I'll-flirt-with-him-and-tease-him,-but-oh-golly,-now-I-don't-want-him-and-I'll-spin-to-the-other-side-of-the-dance-floor-and-bat-my-eyelids' malarky. I thought it was performed superbly, and whilst Pamela's dance was not subtle, the woman taking more of a driving role is something I'd like to see more of in dancing.
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“That's how I saw her as she prowled around the dancefloor.
I thought this American Smooth was too aggressive. There were moments where I felt quite embarrassed actually.
After her elegant Foxtrot, I was expecting something equally refined from Pamela this time. But it seems she and James took the judge's comments about their Cha Cha (which did need a bit more cheek and sauciness) and inappropriately applied them to an American Smooth which is supposed to be more sophisticated.
I didn't think much of the entrances into the lifts (too telegraphed) or the dismounts from them (a bit too heavy).
There was a lot of over-marking tonight, but I thought this dance in particular was scored too highly. It wasn't a 10.”
“That's how I saw her as she prowled around the dancefloor.
I thought this American Smooth was too aggressive. There were moments where I felt quite embarrassed actually.
After her elegant Foxtrot, I was expecting something equally refined from Pamela this time. But it seems she and James took the judge's comments about their Cha Cha (which did need a bit more cheek and sauciness) and inappropriately applied them to an American Smooth which is supposed to be more sophisticated.
I didn't think much of the entrances into the lifts (too telegraphed) or the dismounts from them (a bit too heavy).
There was a lot of over-marking tonight, but I thought this dance in particular was scored too highly. It wasn't a 10.”
It really made me cringe. For me, it wasn't worth a 10.
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