ITV Press Centre says Take Me Out had 6.2m (inc. HD).
The Ratings Thread (Part 14)
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Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“The reduction in SCD audience is slightly concerning, the basic audience isnt much more than 9 million imo and its been a great achievement to refresh the show and drag more people in with that momentum. However the sight of Widdy being dragged about has been a huge draw and it shows just how important it is getting the right people on it. I think that is going to be the biggest headache to SCD continued success.”
“The reduction in SCD audience is slightly concerning, the basic audience isnt much more than 9 million imo and its been a great achievement to refresh the show and drag more people in with that momentum. However the sight of Widdy being dragged about has been a huge draw and it shows just how important it is getting the right people on it. I think that is going to be the biggest headache to SCD continued success.”
Some seriously flawed analysis there
SCD ratings for the last 3 weeks
5/12/10 11.97m (45%)
28/11/10 11.26m (42.6%)
Last Night 10.6m (43.1%)
if it had its usual slot, it would have easily averaged around the same as the previous 2 weeks.
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“I'm not having a go at TMO's ratings. It's more than I predicted (6m) in the Ratings Predictions Game. I just saying it doesn't necessarily follow that last night will give it a long-term boost. There's a test for it next week when it goes against Casualty in the middle of the Strictly final.”
“I'm not having a go at TMO's ratings. It's more than I predicted (6m) in the Ratings Predictions Game. I just saying it doesn't necessarily follow that last night will give it a long-term boost. There's a test for it next week when it goes against Casualty in the middle of the Strictly final.”
Just noticed that instead of starting Casualty at 8pm with the direct SCD lead in , they've scheduled it after the lottery at 8.15
Saturday 11th December Roundup
BBC One (inc. HD)
17:30- The Impressions Show: 3.72m (18.6%)
18:00- Strictly Come Dancing: 10.58m (43.1%)
* peak: 11.31m (44.7%) at 18:45
19:00- Total Wipeout: Celebrity Special: 3.96m (15.0%)
20:00- The National Lottery Draws: 3.59m (13.5%)
20:15- Casualty: 4.17m (15.5%)
21:05- The Armstrong & Miller Show: 3.03m (12.9%)
21:35- BBC News: 3.31m (14.3%)
22:00- Match of the Day: 3.78m (20.2%)
BBC Two
19:00- Live Snooker: UK Championships: 1.14m (4.4%)
21.30- Have I Got a Bit More News For You: 2.32m (10.2%)
ITV1 (inc. HD unless stated)
18:00- This is JLS: 2.66m (10.8%) exc. HD
19:00- The X Factor: 14.1m (53%)
* peak: 15.4m (55%) at 20:55
21:00- Take Me Out: 6.2m (26%)
22:00- Bridget Jones: The Edge of Reason: 2.93m (14.8%) exc. HD
Channel 4 (inc. HD)
19:00- Kirstie & Phil's Perfect Christmas: 441k (1.7%)
20:00- Kirstie & Phil's Perfect Christmas: 536k (2.0%)
21:00- Meet the Spartans: 933k (4.2%)
Channel 5 (inc. HD)
19:15- NCIS: 743k (2.8%)
20:00- NCIS: 790k (2.9%)
21:00- CSI: Crime Scene Investigation: 1.42m (6.0%)
ITV2
21:00- Xtra Factor: 1.17m (5.1%)
BBC One (inc. HD)
17:30- The Impressions Show: 3.72m (18.6%)
18:00- Strictly Come Dancing: 10.58m (43.1%)
* peak: 11.31m (44.7%) at 18:45
19:00- Total Wipeout: Celebrity Special: 3.96m (15.0%)
20:00- The National Lottery Draws: 3.59m (13.5%)
20:15- Casualty: 4.17m (15.5%)
21:05- The Armstrong & Miller Show: 3.03m (12.9%)
21:35- BBC News: 3.31m (14.3%)
22:00- Match of the Day: 3.78m (20.2%)
BBC Two
19:00- Live Snooker: UK Championships: 1.14m (4.4%)
21.30- Have I Got a Bit More News For You: 2.32m (10.2%)
ITV1 (inc. HD unless stated)
18:00- This is JLS: 2.66m (10.8%) exc. HD
19:00- The X Factor: 14.1m (53%)
* peak: 15.4m (55%) at 20:55
21:00- Take Me Out: 6.2m (26%)
22:00- Bridget Jones: The Edge of Reason: 2.93m (14.8%) exc. HD
Channel 4 (inc. HD)
19:00- Kirstie & Phil's Perfect Christmas: 441k (1.7%)
20:00- Kirstie & Phil's Perfect Christmas: 536k (2.0%)
21:00- Meet the Spartans: 933k (4.2%)
Channel 5 (inc. HD)
19:15- NCIS: 743k (2.8%)
20:00- NCIS: 790k (2.9%)
21:00- CSI: Crime Scene Investigation: 1.42m (6.0%)
ITV2
21:00- Xtra Factor: 1.17m (5.1%)
Originally Posted by Cent:
“What ratings did you expect it to get?
It's up on last year by 1.6m.”
“What ratings did you expect it to get?
It's up on last year by 1.6m.”
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“You obviously don't remember last year Robbie where the first half of the final was actually lower than 2008 and lower than previous week.”
“You obviously don't remember last year Robbie where the first half of the final was actually lower than 2008 and lower than previous week.”
I was looking more week on week, as I generally do with shows during a particular run. It's barely up on last week, if at all - despite no Merlin to dent it, the lame offering of a TW repeat and SCD offering no "anchor" for BBC1 at the crucial 7.30-7.45 period.
But I'm not getting carried away - for the reasons below, TXF is still on course for a 20m+ peak tonight and a stupidly high average, boosted by enforced late 70s style "default viewing".
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“it just remains to see how many will stay with XF over its two hours-I think if it was just an hour there would be no doubt. The BBC could not have been much more accommodating so it remains to be seen”
“it just remains to see how many will stay with XF over its two hours-I think if it was just an hour there would be no doubt. The BBC could not have been much more accommodating so it remains to be seen”
I suppose they could actually have taken BBC1 off air for the duration on the basis it wasn't bothering opening up shop at all - but they have come pretty close.
Last year, SPOTY - a flagship calendar event which, despite being crushed, did still perform decently and peaked well for the reveal at the end, and obviously dented TXF.
This year - sweet FA from the Beeb.
Well, apart from the snooker!
Poor for Strictly, surely it should be building momentum to the final, not sheding over a million viewers?
The competition was much weaker than usual (no TV Burp), so that's even worse.
The competition was much weaker than usual (no TV Burp), so that's even worse.
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Saturday 11th December Roundup
BBC One (inc. HD)
21:05- The Armstrong & Miller Show: 3.03m (12.9%)”
“Saturday 11th December Roundup
BBC One (inc. HD)
21:05- The Armstrong & Miller Show: 3.03m (12.9%)”
Wow - ratings up nearly 50% week on week!
Not a disaster at all for BBC1 last night, so perhaps there is some hope for the AR and George Gently repeats tonight. Or the snooker final!
I wonder when SCD got its 11.3m peak - during the performances (which finished by 6.45) or during Take That's slot at the end?
I suspect it will be the latter, which would be ironic if most folk tuned in after the dancing finished!
Stupid Beeb. A 6-7.40 slot last night would have rated higher than the split Fri/Sat semi averaged over 2 hours, even if ITV stuck with a 7pm start for TXF (which they wouldn't have done). But then TXF might have actually found momentum had it aired 7.40-9.40.
I suspect it will be the latter, which would be ironic if most folk tuned in after the dancing finished!
Stupid Beeb. A 6-7.40 slot last night would have rated higher than the split Fri/Sat semi averaged over 2 hours, even if ITV stuck with a 7pm start for TXF (which they wouldn't have done). But then TXF might have actually found momentum had it aired 7.40-9.40.
Originally Posted by dubsj:
“JLS 2.7m / 10.8%”
“JLS 2.7m / 10.8%”
Poor rating, though IMO the actual show was far better than the Cheryl Cole one last year.
Originally Posted by Salv*:
“Great for Take Me Out. Highest rated episode. Hope it continues to be strong when TXF ends.”
“Great for Take Me Out. Highest rated episode. Hope it continues to be strong when TXF ends.”
Though it doesn't help when the announcer says it's back "same time next week" when in fact it's an hour earlier. It's perfect Saturday night TV though, but the sort of show which needs to be partnered with something to give it a boost really, which is why should The Cube move to Spring next year I think running it alongside The X Factor opposite Strictly would be a good idea next autumn.
Very strong for TXF - on course for a 16-17m overnight for tonight, I reckon. But I think ITV might be disappointed with its impact on the shows either side of it. JLS flopped quite dramatically to be honest, and Take Me Out was only up about a million on normal. They'd have expected much more from a "post-superbowl" lift. I guess people were tired from 2 hours of flashy lights and O Fortuna - it knackers me out in half an hour. 
No need to panic with those ratings for Strictly - its recovered the makority of viewers that didn't find it yesterday and they're pretty good numbers for just an hours show in the 6pm slot. The loss of Widdy and the fact its an XF Final weekend would always rob it of a bit of momentum. But signs are good for a record-breaking final next Saturday, and thats got to be a good thing.
The rest of BBC One's filler did better than I thought. 4m and 15% is a good showing all said and done. ITV's line-up might not fare a whole lot better when tables are turned next week.
No need to panic with those ratings for Strictly - its recovered the makority of viewers that didn't find it yesterday and they're pretty good numbers for just an hours show in the 6pm slot. The loss of Widdy and the fact its an XF Final weekend would always rob it of a bit of momentum. But signs are good for a record-breaking final next Saturday, and thats got to be a good thing.
The rest of BBC One's filler did better than I thought. 4m and 15% is a good showing all said and done. ITV's line-up might not fare a whole lot better when tables are turned next week.
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“rzt, do you have a breakdown for X Factor? Wonder if the 7pm to 8pm hour dented its average.”
“rzt, do you have a breakdown for X Factor? Wonder if the 7pm to 8pm hour dented its average.”
X Factor Breakdown (exc. HD):
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1900 * 10.26 1905 * 11.69 1910 * 11.06 1915 * 12.99 1920 * 13.13 1925 * 13.43 1930 * 13.05 1935 * 12.08 1940 * 13.67 1945 * 12.92 1950 * 12.55 1955 * 14.01 2000 * 13.47 2005 * 14.02 2010 * 13.57 2015 * 12.81 2020 * 14.10 2025 * 14.06 2030 * 13.55 2035 * 12.35 2040 * 13.19 2045 * 12.71 2050 * 13.41 2055 * 14.20
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“I think ITV might be disappointed with its impact on the shows either side of it... Take Me Out was only up about a million on normal. They'd have expected much more from a "post-superbowl" lift.”
“I think ITV might be disappointed with its impact on the shows either side of it... Take Me Out was only up about a million on normal. They'd have expected much more from a "post-superbowl" lift.”
TMO averaged 4.5m for its first series so it was up about 1.7m (38%) compared to that and up 1.1m (21%) compared to the best rated episode of the first series. I don't think ITV would've expected too much more - maybe 7m pushing it. As I said yesterday, when has TXF ever boosted a show after it by more than 25% from what it'd usually get? TXF doesn't suddenly add millions and millions of viewers to programmes airing after it - it's usually a ~20%-boost and taking that 5.1m rating it had for last series, TMO was right in that range of the type of boost TXF has traditionally given programmes airing after it.
With Simon Cowell and Cheryl Cole maybe leaving next year. Do you think it could affect the ratings?
Originally Posted by rzt:
“X Factor Breakdown (exc. HD):
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“X Factor Breakdown (exc. HD):
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1900 * 10.26 1905 * 11.69 1910 * 11.06 1915 * 12.99 1920 * 13.13 1925 * 13.43 1930 * 13.05 1935 * 12.08 1940 * 13.67 1945 * 12.92 1950 * 12.55 1955 * 14.01 2000 * 13.47 2005 * 14.02 2010 * 13.57 2015 * 12.81 2020 * 14.10 2025 * 14.06 2030 * 13.55 2035 * 12.35 2040 * 13.19 2045 * 12.71 2050 * 13.41 2055 * 14.20
Quite surprised at that, to be honest. Including HD, it seems it was already hitting 14m at about ~19:20.
Originally Posted by cricket123:
“With Simon Cowell and Cheryl Cole maybe leaving next year. Do you think it could affect the ratings?”
“With Simon Cowell and Cheryl Cole maybe leaving next year. Do you think it could affect the ratings?”
Maybe TXF has peaked. If you use BB as a comparison it peaked in series six, then started a slow decline. Next year I reckon the average will be down to 11 million, then 9 million the next and possibly 7 million for the 2013 series, when Cowell will call it a day.
Perhaps the biggest killer for these sort of shows are when the redtops turn against them. Currently the Daily Star and The Sun worship TXF, but if they sense ratings are falling, then they turn against them and often their readers follow suit.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Poor rating, though IMO the actual show was far better than the Cheryl Cole one last year.
Though it doesn't help when the announcer says it's back "same time next week" when in fact it's an hour earlier. It's perfect Saturday night TV though, but the sort of show which needs to be partnered with something to give it a boost really, which is why should The Cube move to Spring next year I think running it alongside The X Factor opposite Strictly would be a good idea next autumn.”
“Poor rating, though IMO the actual show was far better than the Cheryl Cole one last year.
Though it doesn't help when the announcer says it's back "same time next week" when in fact it's an hour earlier. It's perfect Saturday night TV though, but the sort of show which needs to be partnered with something to give it a boost really, which is why should The Cube move to Spring next year I think running it alongside The X Factor opposite Strictly would be a good idea next autumn.”
IMO its perfect Saturday night television, a show with no celebrities, just randoms, making funny remarks. Love how someone goes home alone they play "All My Myself"
It's a great show, and I'm glad it got 6.2m last night, it will go down to around 5m next week I expect, I just hope it stays around that figure.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Maybe TXF has peaked. If you use BB as a comparison it peaked in series six, then started a slow decline. Next year I reckon the average will be down to 11 million, then 9 million the next and possibly 7 million for the 2013 series, when Cowell will call it a day.
Perhaps the biggest killer for these sort of shows are when the redtops turn against them. Currently the Daily Star and The Sun worship TXF, but if they sense ratings are falling, then they turn against them and often their readers follow suit.”
“Maybe TXF has peaked. If you use BB as a comparison it peaked in series six, then started a slow decline. Next year I reckon the average will be down to 11 million, then 9 million the next and possibly 7 million for the 2013 series, when Cowell will call it a day.
Perhaps the biggest killer for these sort of shows are when the redtops turn against them. Currently the Daily Star and The Sun worship TXF, but if they sense ratings are falling, then they turn against them and often their readers follow suit.”
BB peaked during the 3rd series, you mean? Then dropped in the 4th, raised again in the 5th series and then started a tiny decline and then a big decline from CBB5.
Has that BBC enquary into how it spends its money on drama's been revealed yet? I can see the Trust saying either Casualty or Holby City has to go or merge into one show. That rating for Casualty is really low.
Originally Posted by Gingerbread':
“Has that BBC enquary into how it spends its money on drama's been revealed yet? I can see the Trust saying either Casualty or Holby City has to go or merge into one show. That rating for Casualty is really low.”
“Has that BBC enquary into how it spends its money on drama's been revealed yet? I can see the Trust saying either Casualty or Holby City has to go or merge into one show. That rating for Casualty is really low.”
Doesn't matter when Casualty timeshifts 1m+.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Maybe TXF has peaked. If you use BB as a comparison it peaked in series six, then started a slow decline. Next year I reckon the average will be down to 11 million, then 9 million the next and possibly 7 million for the 2013 series, when Cowell will call it a day.
Perhaps the biggest killer for these sort of shows are when the redtops turn against them. Currently the Daily Star and The Sun worship TXF, but if they sense ratings are falling, then they turn against them and often their readers follow suit.”
“Maybe TXF has peaked. If you use BB as a comparison it peaked in series six, then started a slow decline. Next year I reckon the average will be down to 11 million, then 9 million the next and possibly 7 million for the 2013 series, when Cowell will call it a day.
Perhaps the biggest killer for these sort of shows are when the redtops turn against them. Currently the Daily Star and The Sun worship TXF, but if they sense ratings are falling, then they turn against them and often their readers follow suit.”
Have you not learnt yet to stop predicting the fall of realty shows, because everytime you do, the ratings actually increase!
Originally Posted by Salv*:
“BB peaked during the 3rd series, you mean? Then dropped in the 4th, raised again in the 5th series and then started a tiny decline and then a big decline from CBB5.”
“BB peaked during the 3rd series, you mean? Then dropped in the 4th, raised again in the 5th series and then started a tiny decline and then a big decline from CBB5.”
Wasn't BB6 the most successful series overall, with an average of 6 million viewers and the final of BB3 the most watched? I know the decline started after BB6 and became really marked during BB9. I'm sure Cowell will know when to quit and I think 2013 will be the end of TXF.
However, hats off to Mr Cowell for bringing back ratings that were last seen in about 1989. Before BGT hit the stratosphere last year, most people would say only an England football match would attract over 15 million viewers.
Originally Posted by Gingerbread':
“Has that BBC enquary into how it spends its money on drama's been revealed yet? I can see the Trust saying either Casualty or Holby City has to go or merge into one show. That rating for Casualty is really low.”
“Has that BBC enquary into how it spends its money on drama's been revealed yet? I can see the Trust saying either Casualty or Holby City has to go or merge into one show. That rating for Casualty is really low.”
Casualty will be back to over 6m from next week once X factor has finshed, ahppens every year though they do seem to have taken a bigger hit against X Factor than usual this year.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Wasn't BB6 the most successful series overall, with an average of 6 million viewers and the final of BB3 the most watched? I know the decline started after BB6 and became really marked during BB9. I'm sure Cowell will know when to quit and I think 2013 will be the end of TXF.
However, hats off to Mr Cowell for bringing back ratings that were last seen in about 1989. Before BGT hit the stratosphere last year, most people would say only an England football match would attract over 15 million viewers.”
“Wasn't BB6 the most successful series overall, with an average of 6 million viewers and the final of BB3 the most watched? I know the decline started after BB6 and became really marked during BB9. I'm sure Cowell will know when to quit and I think 2013 will be the end of TXF.
However, hats off to Mr Cowell for bringing back ratings that were last seen in about 1989. Before BGT hit the stratosphere last year, most people would say only an England football match would attract over 15 million viewers.”
The end will come when the end will come.
I think after this series it's a bit daft to be predicting anything, because nobody expected the series to actually increase on last year and yet it did.
Originally Posted by Agent F:
“The end will come when the end will come.
I think after this series it's a bit daft to be predicting anything, because nobody expected the series to actually increase on last year and yet it did.”
“The end will come when the end will come.
I think after this series it's a bit daft to be predicting anything, because nobody expected the series to actually increase on last year and yet it did.”
Not that I mind the show getting such huge figures, as it makes me feel nostalgic, but I do reckon it has peaked. Also who knows what BBC One has up its sleeve and they could have a knockout formula waiting?
I do think BGT has a longer life as it's a younger show than TXF and is slightly more popular. If the legend that was Opportunity Knocks is anything to go by, this ran on ITV for 17 series and then was revived on the BBC for another 4 series.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Maybe TXF has peaked. If you use BB as a comparison it peaked in series six, then started a slow decline. Next year I reckon the average will be down to 11 million, then 9 million the next and possibly 7 million for the 2013 series, when Cowell will call it a day.”
“Maybe TXF has peaked. If you use BB as a comparison it peaked in series six, then started a slow decline. Next year I reckon the average will be down to 11 million, then 9 million the next and possibly 7 million for the 2013 series, when Cowell will call it a day.”
Why would it fall so dramatically now though - though I do definately think next year's show could suffer as Cowell takes his eye off the ball to launch it stateside.
And BB peaked in season 3 - and although like most reality shows TXF had a strong third season then a relatively weak forth, unlike others it's just grown and grown since then and we can't even say if it's peaked yet, never mind started to decline.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Wasn't BB6 the most successful series overall, with an average of 6 million viewers and the final of BB3 the most watched? I know the decline started after BB6 and became really marked during BB9. I'm sure Cowell will know when to quit and I think 2013 will be the end of TXF.”
“Wasn't BB6 the most successful series overall, with an average of 6 million viewers and the final of BB3 the most watched? I know the decline started after BB6 and became really marked during BB9. I'm sure Cowell will know when to quit and I think 2013 will be the end of TXF.”
BB3 was by far the most successful, with regular shows actually hitting 7m in the last couple of weeks. BB4's ratings were actually only a flop in comparison to the hugely successful BB3 (it outrated both BB1 and BB2). Ratings dipped again slightly for BB6, rise slightly for BB7 (after a successful CBB4) and then went into free fall from BB8.
The shows lifespans are quite different though and it wasn't until the axe fell that noticeable (and much needed) changes to the production of Big Brother were implemented, whilst creatively Big Brother peaked from BB5-BB7 then they seemed at a loss of how to proceed. TXF though has seen production improve year on year and - if the talent shows up - there is little reason why the show couldn't continue in the years ahead. The question is what happens when Cowell is bored of it - and we'll get a taste of that next year with BGT (and Idol) and see whether he's as important to these shows as he'd like us to think he is.
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“However, hats off to Mr Cowell for bringing back ratings that were last seen in about 1989. Before BGT hit the stratosphere last year, most people would say only an England football match would attract over 15 million viewers.”
“However, hats off to Mr Cowell for bringing back ratings that were last seen in about 1989. Before BGT hit the stratosphere last year, most people would say only an England football match would attract over 15 million viewers.”
Completely agree - never thought we'd see shows hitting double figures on a regular basis again. Also have to say I think Strictly and X Factor have undoubtedly fed each others ratings - I think without the other to create the Saturday night battle whichever one was around would be stuck below 10m.
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