On a side note surely last night was the semi final considering Cher was eliminated? It was so blatantly fixed for her to be in the final-singing last again and having a 4 person final for the first time, knowing she wouldn't have made the final otherwise. I guess she was the marmite contestant though, and without her last night wouldn't have created the buzz and ratings peak that it did. Interestingly though, we're left with three contestants where any one of them could win. I definitely couldn't call it, whereas normally you can at least predict 3rd place. Could boost ratings a bit more..
The Ratings Thread (Part 14)
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I will admit the production values on TXF are excellent and it is a bit of harmless fun and, of course, delivers the sort of ratings last seen when Maggie was still PM. Ratings anoraks like me are delighted to see ratings not seen since Jason Donovan was number one.
As an interesting comparison, its ancestor, Opportunity Knocks, had Hughie Green not made his political remarks, could have run and run. Thames took a very strange decision to scrap the show, when all they needed to was either ignore Hughie's Labour bashing or replace him with someone like Bob Monkhouse, as nothing they put in its slot ever achieved the same ratings.
As an interesting comparison, its ancestor, Opportunity Knocks, had Hughie Green not made his political remarks, could have run and run. Thames took a very strange decision to scrap the show, when all they needed to was either ignore Hughie's Labour bashing or replace him with someone like Bob Monkhouse, as nothing they put in its slot ever achieved the same ratings.
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“Yeah, the BBC used to move EastEnders away from the clashes, but it didn't do any good, because although it meant people didn't have to choose between the two soaps, it did mean EastEnders lost other viewers due to the irregular timeslots.”
“Yeah, the BBC used to move EastEnders away from the clashes, but it didn't do any good, because although it meant people didn't have to choose between the two soaps, it did mean EastEnders lost other viewers due to the irregular timeslots.”
Yes, I remember having to explain to my flatmate once why Keeping Up Appearances was on at 7.30 and 'stEnders was on at eight, they were baffled. The one time it really backfired on ITV was when they showed an hour-long Emmerdale before the Brits, to boost the Brits, but everyone just switched over to 'stEnders at eight instead, so in fact the Brits did worse than the previous year.
I also remember a year or so before, when the Brits were on at 8.30, they dropped The Bill and showed a You've Been Framed repeat instead, seemingly to give it a better lead-in, and my parents were totally confused.
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“"BBC1's Big Weekend of Winners" - SCD, SPOTY, Apprentice. That's something to get excited about!”
“"BBC1's Big Weekend of Winners" - SCD, SPOTY, Apprentice. That's something to get excited about!”
That is an impressive weekend. That said, I'd have suggested that at Easter they should have done a big trailer for Easter on BBC1 with the new series of Doctor Who and Ashes To Ashes and the Jonathan Creek special, which would have looked fantastic.
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Also the main body of the show was done by 6.50 and the last ten mins was filled with recaps and a live Take That performance.”
“Also the main body of the show was done by 6.50 and the last ten mins was filled with recaps and a live Take That performance.”
I don't know why people are turning their nose up at "filler" on Strictly when it was a live Take That performance, given the other week everyone was predicting record X Factor ratings as Justin "Who?" Bieber was on it. People have heard of Take That, and if they don't like them, they're not going to go to the end of a JLS special, are they?
At least BBC One isn't wilting when TXF isn't on. They know millions of people don't like it and will want an alternative. Although Casualty does get a heavy knock when placed against TXF, it still has 4 million fans and at other times is good for the BBC's ratings.
Perhaps the most interesting alternative the BBC provided to Coronation St in its imperial 18 million a week phase was Doctor Who. OK the show was well past its best and Sylvester Mc Coy wasn't that good, but they knew a few million diehards would tune in to their favourite show.
Perhaps the most interesting alternative the BBC provided to Coronation St in its imperial 18 million a week phase was Doctor Who. OK the show was well past its best and Sylvester Mc Coy wasn't that good, but they knew a few million diehards would tune in to their favourite show.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“I will admit the production values on TXF are excellent and it is a bit of harmless fun and, of course, delivers the sort of ratings last seen when Maggie was still PM. Ratings anoraks like me are delighted to see ratings not seen since Jason Donovan was number one.
As an interesting comparison, its ancestor, Opportunity Knocks, had Hughie Green not made his political remarks, could have run and run. Thames took a very strange decision to scrap the show, when all they needed to was either ignore Hughie's Labour bashing or replace him with someone like Bob Monkhouse, as nothing they put in its slot ever achieved the same ratings.”
“I will admit the production values on TXF are excellent and it is a bit of harmless fun and, of course, delivers the sort of ratings last seen when Maggie was still PM. Ratings anoraks like me are delighted to see ratings not seen since Jason Donovan was number one.
As an interesting comparison, its ancestor, Opportunity Knocks, had Hughie Green not made his political remarks, could have run and run. Thames took a very strange decision to scrap the show, when all they needed to was either ignore Hughie's Labour bashing or replace him with someone like Bob Monkhouse, as nothing they put in its slot ever achieved the same ratings.”
I think you're rather over-simplifying the situation with Hughie Greene Glenn, he was under the impression he was running the network (if not the country) and no performer (who after all is only a hired hand) is going to be allowed to get away with that whether it's Thames or the BBC.
Quote:
“The broadcaster is understood to have sold some 30-second advertising slots during the final between Rebecca Ferguson, One Direction and Matt Cardle for more than £250,000.
In what industry sources have likened to the broadcaster's "Super Bowl" moment – given the high demand for advertising spots – ITV was allowed to show up to 24 30-second adverts an hour during last night's two-hour final performance show and tonight's two-hour results show. It is understood that the minimum price of the highly sought-after slots was £200,000, with the first adverts of the commercial breaks during tonight's final attracting prices in excess of £8,000 a second.
Paul Rowlinson, head of audiovisual at media agency Mindshare, said: "They are the most expensive ads of the year, if not ever. They all will have been sold as 'top level specials,' " he told The Sunday Telegraph. "The X Factor is by far the most highly prized programme of the year."
He said advertisers are prepared to pay a "huge premium" for adverts during The X Factor, because the show attracts an almost perfect demographic of largely middle-class families”
“The broadcaster is understood to have sold some 30-second advertising slots during the final between Rebecca Ferguson, One Direction and Matt Cardle for more than £250,000.
In what industry sources have likened to the broadcaster's "Super Bowl" moment – given the high demand for advertising spots – ITV was allowed to show up to 24 30-second adverts an hour during last night's two-hour final performance show and tonight's two-hour results show. It is understood that the minimum price of the highly sought-after slots was £200,000, with the first adverts of the commercial breaks during tonight's final attracting prices in excess of £8,000 a second.
Paul Rowlinson, head of audiovisual at media agency Mindshare, said: "They are the most expensive ads of the year, if not ever. They all will have been sold as 'top level specials,' " he told The Sunday Telegraph. "The X Factor is by far the most highly prized programme of the year."
He said advertisers are prepared to pay a "huge premium" for adverts during The X Factor, because the show attracts an almost perfect demographic of largely middle-class families”
Extract from the business pages of todays DT.
Kind of kills the chavs image of the X factor audience.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“I will admit the production values on TXF are excellent and it is a bit of harmless fun and, of course, delivers the sort of ratings last seen when Maggie was still PM. Ratings anoraks like me are delighted to see ratings not seen since Jason Donovan was number one.
As an interesting comparison, its ancestor, Opportunity Knocks, had Hughie Green not made his political remarks, could have run and run. Thames took a very strange decision to scrap the show, when all they needed to was either ignore Hughie's Labour bashing or replace him with someone like Bob Monkhouse, as nothing they put in its slot ever achieved the same ratings.”
“I will admit the production values on TXF are excellent and it is a bit of harmless fun and, of course, delivers the sort of ratings last seen when Maggie was still PM. Ratings anoraks like me are delighted to see ratings not seen since Jason Donovan was number one.
As an interesting comparison, its ancestor, Opportunity Knocks, had Hughie Green not made his political remarks, could have run and run. Thames took a very strange decision to scrap the show, when all they needed to was either ignore Hughie's Labour bashing or replace him with someone like Bob Monkhouse, as nothing they put in its slot ever achieved the same ratings.”
Remember though that big audiences were still fairly commonplace all through the nineties-the lowest audience I can find in the BARB top tens is 13.90 million, with the vast majority of the figures between 16 and 20 million. A few notables over 20 million.
Opportunity Knocks was very popular but, like alot of ITV shows, benefited from poor weekday schedules on BBC1. ITV would have needed to refresh the show -the "clapometer" would seem quite peculiar today. When it came back on BBC1 it did fantastically well in its first series but faded because of poor lead- ins thereafter and was quietly put to bed.
Edit-I can remember reading an interview where Bob Monkhouse talked about OK scheduling on BBC1. He didnt directly complain but suggested the Beeb had tried something which had not worked-I think this was scheduling films prior to OK which provided variable but often poorer lead-ins.
Further Edit-Amazing to see The Bill attaining 17.73 million on 26/3/93. I wonder if they could have ever forseen the shows fate at that stage.
Having looked at the audience breakdown for Take Me Out (for yesterday's episode and the first series episodes), it's no wonder ITV have doubled the episode order to 14 episodes this series. It's very popular in the advertiser-friendly 16-34 demographic - yesterday's breakdown being:
C4-15: 0.92m (15% of total audience)
A16-34: 1.79m (30%)
A35-44: 1.00m (17%)
A45-54: 0.95m (16%)
A55-64: 0.56m (9%)
A65+: 0.75m (12%)
To put that into perspective, even at series 1 levels (1.2m A16-34) it's as popular among 16-34s as big-hitters like SCD and DOI. It's particularly popular with 16-24s for which it had a 49% share of the total 16-24s watching TV at the time yesterday. Basically, using industry estimates TMO will make ITV as much ad revenue per hour this series as Dancing on Ice will.
C4-15: 0.92m (15% of total audience)
A16-34: 1.79m (30%)
A35-44: 1.00m (17%)
A45-54: 0.95m (16%)
A55-64: 0.56m (9%)
A65+: 0.75m (12%)
To put that into perspective, even at series 1 levels (1.2m A16-34) it's as popular among 16-34s as big-hitters like SCD and DOI. It's particularly popular with 16-24s for which it had a 49% share of the total 16-24s watching TV at the time yesterday. Basically, using industry estimates TMO will make ITV as much ad revenue per hour this series as Dancing on Ice will.
Originally Posted by jake lyle:
“Some seriously flawed analysis there
SCD ratings for the last 3 weeks
5/12/10 11.97m (45%)
28/11/10 11.26m (42.6%)
Last Night 10.6m (43.1%)
if it had its usual slot, it would have easily averaged around the same as the previous 2 weeks.”
“Some seriously flawed analysis there
SCD ratings for the last 3 weeks
5/12/10 11.97m (45%)
28/11/10 11.26m (42.6%)
Last Night 10.6m (43.1%)
if it had its usual slot, it would have easily averaged around the same as the previous 2 weeks.”
Its still near 1.5 million down and thats quite a momentum killer-some people havent felt the need to make an effort to watch when arguably the momentum should take it higher. I think stretching it over three days is not doing it any favours-there maybe some who lose the thread a bit if they didnt tune in on Friday and that might put them off Saturday too. The "Swingathon" didnt work imo. They should have had two dances last night and partially overlapped with XF which has happened so many times before. The Beeb are rather being lead by XF scheduling which dominates the whole weekend these days.
Originally Posted by dubsj:
“JLS 2.7m / 10.8%”
“JLS 2.7m / 10.8%”
I expected it to be bad, but that's atrocious. I'd have thought that the XF lift at the end would ensure it was over 3m. The first 45 minutes must have been painfully low.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Maybe TXF has peaked. If you use BB as a comparison it peaked in series six, then started a slow decline. Next year I reckon the average will be down to 11 million, then 9 million the next and possibly 7 million for the 2013 series, when Cowell will call it a day.
Perhaps the biggest killer for these sort of shows are when the redtops turn against them. Currently the Daily Star and The Sun worship TXF, but if they sense ratings are falling, then they turn against them and often their readers follow suit.”
“Maybe TXF has peaked. If you use BB as a comparison it peaked in series six, then started a slow decline. Next year I reckon the average will be down to 11 million, then 9 million the next and possibly 7 million for the 2013 series, when Cowell will call it a day.
Perhaps the biggest killer for these sort of shows are when the redtops turn against them. Currently the Daily Star and The Sun worship TXF, but if they sense ratings are falling, then they turn against them and often their readers follow suit.”
BB1: 4.5m
CBB1: 5.2m
BB2: 4.5m
BB3: 5.8m
CBB2: 4.2m
BB4: 4.6m
BB5: 5.1m
CBB3: 4.3m
BB6: 4.6m
CBB4: 4.9m
BB7: 4.7m
CBB5: 4.6m
BB8: 3.9m
BB9: 3.6m
CBB6: 3.3m
BB10: 2.5m
CBB7: 3.7m
BB11: 2.9m
UBB: 3.2m
However, I think losing Cowell & Cole would be a bit of a nightmare (though I doubt they'll both leave). They keep the tabloids happy and if they both go to the US show then there's a very high chance of the UK tabloids spending too much time talking about the US show and not enough time talking about the UK show. And if Dermot goes as well, the show is going to look completely different. Much as DS would love to believe it, Louis & Dannii aren't the X Factor's "poster boy/girl". And I think replacing the 2 judges (and even Dermot) will be extremely difficult.
Originally Posted by C14E:
“And I think replacing the 2 judges (and even Dermot) will be extremely difficult.”
“And I think replacing the 2 judges (and even Dermot) will be extremely difficult.”
The ratings will plummet if the newspaper reports are to be realised about James Corden being presenter.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Wasn't BB6 the most successful series overall, with an average of 6 million viewers and the final of BB3 the most watched? I know the decline started after BB6 and became really marked during BB9. I'm sure Cowell will know when to quit and I think 2013 will be the end of TXF.
However, hats off to Mr Cowell for bringing back ratings that were last seen in about 1989. Before BGT hit the stratosphere last year, most people would say only an England football match would attract over 15 million viewers.”
“Wasn't BB6 the most successful series overall, with an average of 6 million viewers and the final of BB3 the most watched? I know the decline started after BB6 and became really marked during BB9. I'm sure Cowell will know when to quit and I think 2013 will be the end of TXF.
However, hats off to Mr Cowell for bringing back ratings that were last seen in about 1989. Before BGT hit the stratosphere last year, most people would say only an England football match would attract over 15 million viewers.”
Nope, BB3 had an average of 5.8m, BB6 had an average of 4.6m.
But I do agree that sooner of later TXF will decline.
edit- whoops, didnt see the earlier post with BBs ratings
Originally Posted by ftv:
“I think you're rather over-simplifying the situation with Hughie Greene Glenn, he was under the impression he was running the network (if not the country) and no performer (who after all is only a hired hand) is going to be allowed to get away with that whether it's Thames or the BBC.”
“I think you're rather over-simplifying the situation with Hughie Greene Glenn, he was under the impression he was running the network (if not the country) and no performer (who after all is only a hired hand) is going to be allowed to get away with that whether it's Thames or the BBC.”
He should have heeded the warnings from Jeremy Isaacs, but didn't, but Thames were the long term loser as nothing they put in its slot attracted the same kind of ratings. However, his replacement, Kenny Everett, attracted a new audience to Thames.
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“Kind of kills the chavs image of the X factor audience.”
“Kind of kills the chavs image of the X factor audience.”
Yeah, TXF's audience is far from "chavvy" in spite of what some people might think. In terms of raw numbers, it is by far and away ITV's most popular show for the ABC1 demo (upmarket non "chav" viewers).
But even by skew, its audience is one of ITV's best skewing programmes towards ABC1. About 40% of TXF's audience are ABC1's - that's a higher skew than all but one entertainment show on ITV1 this year (Popstar to Operastar was 42%).
Even in terms of drama series (which you would expect to have a more upmarket audience than a reality show like TXF), only a few have skewed better than TXF in terms of ABC1s: Downton Abbey- 51%, Lewis- 47%, Bouquet of Barbed Wire- 42%, Married Single Other- 41%. Basically X Factor viewers aren't chavs
!
Originally Posted by C14E:
“However, I think losing Cowell & Cole would be a bit of a nightmare (though I doubt they'll both leave). They keep the tabloids happy and if they both go to the US show then there's a very high chance of the UK tabloids spending too much time talking about the US show and not enough time talking about the UK show. And if Dermot goes as well, the show is going to look completely different. Much as DS would love to believe it, Louis & Dannii aren't the X Factor's "poster boy/girl". And I think replacing the 2 judges (and even Dermot) will be extremely difficult.”
“However, I think losing Cowell & Cole would be a bit of a nightmare (though I doubt they'll both leave). They keep the tabloids happy and if they both go to the US show then there's a very high chance of the UK tabloids spending too much time talking about the US show and not enough time talking about the UK show. And if Dermot goes as well, the show is going to look completely different. Much as DS would love to believe it, Louis & Dannii aren't the X Factor's "poster boy/girl". And I think replacing the 2 judges (and even Dermot) will be extremely difficult.”
They will not both leave. In fact, I'd be surprised if either of them did.
How utterly predictable to be getting stories like this on XF final day. "It's Simon's last ever episode!" Yeah, right.
I'll believe it when I see it.My hunch is BGT might get dropped (partly or entirely) from his schedule - but he'll do both versions of TXF. And Cole isn't going to jack in the show that made her, risking everything that the Americans will take to her (and her accent).
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Yeah, TXF's audience is far from "chavvy" in spite of what some people might think. In terms of raw numbers, it is by far and away ITV's most popular show for the ABC1 demo (upmarket non "chav" viewers).
But even by skew, its audience is one of ITV's best skewing programmes towards ABC1. About 40% of TXF's audience are ABC1's - that's a higher skew than all but one entertainment show on ITV1 this year (Popstar to Operastar was 42%).
Even in terms of drama series (which you would expect to have a more upmarket audience than a reality show like TXF), only a few have skewed better than TXF in terms of ABC1s: Downton Abbey- 51%, Lewis- 47%, Bouquet of Barbed Wire- 42%, Married Single Other- 41%. Basically X Factor viewers aren't chavs!”
“Yeah, TXF's audience is far from "chavvy" in spite of what some people might think. In terms of raw numbers, it is by far and away ITV's most popular show for the ABC1 demo (upmarket non "chav" viewers).
But even by skew, its audience is one of ITV's best skewing programmes towards ABC1. About 40% of TXF's audience are ABC1's - that's a higher skew than all but one entertainment show on ITV1 this year (Popstar to Operastar was 42%).
Even in terms of drama series (which you would expect to have a more upmarket audience than a reality show like TXF), only a few have skewed better than TXF in terms of ABC1s: Downton Abbey- 51%, Lewis- 47%, Bouquet of Barbed Wire- 42%, Married Single Other- 41%. Basically X Factor viewers aren't chavs
!”
TXF appeals across the board and is especially popular with women with kids. At the end of the day, after the boring boot camp, it is an extremely well made entertainment show that attracts the kind of ratings last seen in the heyday of ITV Saturdays in the mid eighties. Remember £ 25 million will buy another two series of Downton Abbey.
TXF has been a godsend to ITV1 on Saturdays after the abysmal Saturday schedules in the early noughties where clapped out shows like Blind Date and Lisa Riley's You've Been Framed were the main attractions.
Haven't had anytime this week to post anything about the ratings so here goes...
I think it's fair to say that the Corrie week has been a huge success on many levels. The tram crash was very well executed and the LIVE episode went extremely well. I think the 14.0m overnight rating is excellent too. I knew it was never going to match the EE Live rating. It was on for double the time so it was unrealistic to say it would top EE. We'll leave that to TXF Final tonight.
The 12.1m average for Corrie for the whole week is very good and Friday's eps held up very well indeed. The officials will make for interesting reading. Hopefully some of the new viewers that joined this week will stick with Corrie as it's had abit of a bumpy year as Emmerdale and EE have both had excellent years. 2011 soap ratings will be interesting. Will they grow again?
I think it's fair to say that the Corrie week has been a huge success on many levels. The tram crash was very well executed and the LIVE episode went extremely well. I think the 14.0m overnight rating is excellent too. I knew it was never going to match the EE Live rating. It was on for double the time so it was unrealistic to say it would top EE. We'll leave that to TXF Final tonight.
The 12.1m average for Corrie for the whole week is very good and Friday's eps held up very well indeed. The officials will make for interesting reading. Hopefully some of the new viewers that joined this week will stick with Corrie as it's had abit of a bumpy year as Emmerdale and EE have both had excellent years. 2011 soap ratings will be interesting. Will they grow again?
Originally Posted by James J:
“First time ever am missing X Factor finale this year - Christmas do at work!
Shocker!”
“First time ever am missing X Factor finale this year - Christmas do at work!
Shocker!
”
Party on a Sunday? What an awful night lol!
I'd skip the party...
Just looking at the officials and I've got a question for anyone who might know.
In the last 2 weeks of October, why is The X Factor Results listed twice in ITV1 HD's top 10 for the same start time but with 2 different ratings?
In the last 2 weeks of October, why is The X Factor Results listed twice in ITV1 HD's top 10 for the same start time but with 2 different ratings?
Originally Posted by Roscoe Barnes:
“Party on a Sunday? What an awful night lol!
I'd skip the party...”
“Party on a Sunday? What an awful night lol!
I'd skip the party...
”
Couple of admirers there
Ah well someone will text me the result I'm sure.
Originally Posted by C14E:
“Just looking at the officials and I've got a question for anyone who might know.
In the last 2 weeks of October, why is The X Factor Results listed twice in ITV1 HD's top 10 for the same start time but with 2 different ratings?”
“Just looking at the officials and I've got a question for anyone who might know.
In the last 2 weeks of October, why is The X Factor Results listed twice in ITV1 HD's top 10 for the same start time but with 2 different ratings?”
I think the smaller figure for both is STV HD or something strange like that.
(don't add them together though, because I don't think that is correct)
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“Yes if you wanted ITV to have very low ratings on a Saturday night!”
“Yes if you wanted ITV to have very low ratings on a Saturday night!”
Uh oh, I've been rumbled!
I do believe the final could do better on a Sunday, and certain compromises could be worth making from ITV's point of view in order to accommodate that.
Originally Posted by dubsj:
“JLS 2.7m / 10.8%”
“JLS 2.7m / 10.8%”
Crikey, what a terrible rating for ITV1 to record on one of its biggest nights of the year. Good job it didn't get the slot after the final as previously suggested. That could have been very embarrassing!
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Not that I mind the show getting such huge figures [The X Factor], as it makes me feel nostalgic, but I do reckon it has peaked.”
“Not that I mind the show getting such huge figures [The X Factor], as it makes me feel nostalgic, but I do reckon it has peaked.”
Agreed. These rises are simply not sustainable any longer unless we see a further rise in the numbers watching TV. The 53% share that last night's programme recorded is equal to that recorded for the 2008 result, which averaged 13.2m.
Originally Posted by Roscoe Barnes:
“Haven't had anytime this week to post anything about the ratings so here goes...
I think it's fair to say that the Corrie week has been a huge success on many levels. The tram crash was very well executed and the LIVE episode went extremely well. I think the 14.0m overnight rating is excellent too. I knew it was never going to match the EE Live rating. It was on for double the time so it was unrealistic to say it would top EE. We'll leave that to TXF Final tonight.
The 12.1m average for Corrie for the whole week is very good and Friday's eps held up very well indeed. The officials will make for interesting reading. Hopefully some of the new viewers that joined this week will stick with Corrie as it's had abit of a bumpy year as Emmerdale and EE have both had excellent years. 2011 soap ratings will be interesting. Will they grow again?”
“Haven't had anytime this week to post anything about the ratings so here goes...
I think it's fair to say that the Corrie week has been a huge success on many levels. The tram crash was very well executed and the LIVE episode went extremely well. I think the 14.0m overnight rating is excellent too. I knew it was never going to match the EE Live rating. It was on for double the time so it was unrealistic to say it would top EE. We'll leave that to TXF Final tonight.
The 12.1m average for Corrie for the whole week is very good and Friday's eps held up very well indeed. The officials will make for interesting reading. Hopefully some of the new viewers that joined this week will stick with Corrie as it's had abit of a bumpy year as Emmerdale and EE have both had excellent years. 2011 soap ratings will be interesting. Will they grow again?”
At times Corrie's ratings have dropped to 7 million due to weak characters, dull plots and poor acting. I think the big audiences will subside this week and the show will average out at 9 million.
Actually there does seem to be a trend away from soaps towards entertainment. Strictly, IAC, TXF, BGT all rate higher than the soaps. Perhaps people want some entertainment instead of doom and gloom.
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“They will not both leave. In fact, I'd be surprised if either of them did.
How utterly predictable to be getting stories like this on XF final day. "It's Simon's last ever episode!" Yeah, right. I'll believe it when I see it.”
“They will not both leave. In fact, I'd be surprised if either of them did.
How utterly predictable to be getting stories like this on XF final day. "It's Simon's last ever episode!" Yeah, right.
I'll believe it when I see it.”
Indeed. Predictable, transparent and desperate.
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