Bored of the over-inflation of EastEnders figures. Had an idea for an ITV1 fantasy weekday schedule today (we haven't had one of them in a while ) It's quite radical so I'm ready for people to rip it to bits...

Monday-Friday
06:00- The Early News
06:30- Daybreak
10:00- This Morning
12:00- News at Noon
12:30- The Jeremy Kyle Show
13:30- Loose Women
14:30- House Gift
15:30- Midsomer Murders
17:00- News at Five
17:30- Regional News
18:00- The Paul O'Grady Show
19:00- Emmerdale

So what's going on here?

The 5.30am morning bulletin moves half an hour later to 6am, with Daybreak (merged with Lorraine, who has her own segment at 9.00am) at 6.30am. This Morning moves to 10am, with a News at Noon following it. Then, a new slot for Jeremy Kyle at 12.30pm, followed by Loose Women and standard daytime fodder.

The later news bulletin moves to the 5pm hour, with the National News at Five at 5pm followed by the Regional bulletins at 5.30pm, then The Paul O'Grady / Alan Titchmarsh shows at 6pm. The 6pm slot would become a new chatshow hour with lots of chatshows trialled and tested to provide good opposition to the BBC's News offerings.

The schedule spaces out the news bulletins, airing them at 6am, 12pm, 5pm and 10pm. People would scream and cry at the regional news moving but why bother trying to compete at 6pm? I'd totally overhaul the bulletins and rename them The Early News, News at Noon, News at Five and News at Ten respectively, lessening the ITV brand and going for a unified but distinct look and aim for a bit more of a reputation.

Emmerdale remains at 7pm five nights a week, dropping one episode. The rest of the schedule would be fluid and flexible depending on what's being commissioned, apart from Coronation Street airing as follows:

Monday- 7.30pm (30 mins)
Tuesday- 8.00pm (30 mins)
Thursday- 8.00pm (60 mins)
Friday- 7.30pm (30 mins)

The 8.30pm lead-ins are less important nowadays, we've seen plenty of flops following Corrie. This frees up the rest of the schedule for some experimentation and diversity. Ideally Corrie would air on Wednesdays but this isn't possible. Ideally it wouldn't clash with Holby City but I don't think the audiences cross too much and the BBC would eventually back down. It would be good for momentum and consistency across the schedule. Corrie would always air either directly before, or directly after EastEnders.

Tonight would return to twice a week and air at 7.30pm on Tuesday and Thursday. I'd trial out new sitcoms/comedies at 8.30pm on Tuesday, and some new hour-long alternatives to EastEnders (aimed at a different audience) for Monday and Friday at 8pm.

9pm is standard, they're getting there with that already. Dramas, comedies, etc. More themed nights like Thriller Mondays, etc. That's the least of the problems at the moment.

Like I said, pretty radical, but I think it offers a sense of logic not currently seen with the weeknight schedule and opens up doors for new opportunities (i.e. Chatshows in the 6pm hour, new formats in the Mon/Fri 8pm hours)

Now rip it apart guys!

Of course.
Had the BBC not shown the Repeat At 10:00pm then more people would catch it at 7:30pm/8:00pm

As we've seen from Clashing with Emmerdale the EastEnders repeat on BBC3 rates at around 1.5m+(or atleast it has done lately)

No matter how you look at it EastEnders gets more TV reach then anyother TV show week on week.

Corrie will beat EastEnders is rating but will it beat it in Total reach?

"ITVistas" is my preferred term for them.


Has George Dixon been relieved of his post yet, following Tuesday's fiasco?

If not, I reckon:

Silent Witness - BBC1, Wednesday 10.50pm
Hustle - BBC1, Saturday 3.30pm
Morecambe & Wise - BBC2, Tuesday 11.20pm

I don't buy MOTD at 11.30pm.

Are you sure it's not 1.30pm?

Does anyone know when Dixon does actually leave?

You tell me Dan!? Give me some figures? Oh wait...you just prefer to pluck random 10m, 11m and 12m ratings out of the air!

Thats fair enough but people shouldnt be proclaiming that Corrie is the number one soap on just first showings.

Eastenders as a lowest average will get 0.8m an episode (its regularly past 1m though) for the 10pm BBC3 repeat. Corrie as a high average will get 0.3m (Ive seen figures as low as 0.1m reported though) for a same night repeat.

IMO Corrie gets greater timeshifts than EE because more EE fans use the same night BBC3 repeat. You could argue these estimated repeat figures should be added but it depends what side your on.

I'm not on any sides. I'm generally interested in ratings and when people just pluck figures from nowhere claiming this, that and the other, I'd just like if they'd back it up with some actual figures like in did in my earlier post!

I dread to think what will happen next week with Corrie week and then Christmas. The soap fans will be arguing in their droves.

Lol! Maybe it would be better to move this to the Soap Ratings Thread!

Total Reach was around 22million and i don't even see Corrie get 19million total reach simply Becuase Unlike EastEnders very few People watch the repeat which is another factor of it timeshifting alot more.

Looking at the Old soap ratings thread for the Middle of Dec to mid Feb and all you can see is EastEnders coming out tops in overnights,The BBC3 repeat rating well and people making excuses for corrie

that is how I recall it.

I would go as far as to say, that based on history (not the past 12 months), EE: Live over preformed, and Corrie: Live may underpeform.

What's with the sudden concern about what EE was getting in December/January/February up to its live episode? Corrie and EE are two completely different shows. Since when has EE been a benchmark for Corrie? Corrie is FIFTY, it's been going for TWENTY FIVE more years, it should be totally pissing over EE's figures atm and the figures it had earlier this year yet it isn't. Corrie has been the number 1 soap since I can remember and it's only been the past year or so EE has gained on it but I'd still expect Corrie's consistent following to have emerged from the woodwork at this stage.

We should be seeing figures of 11/12m. EE was regularly topping 10m in the run up to its anniversary yet Corrie has only managed this a couple of times in recent weeks. If it wasn't for ITV supporting it on Thursdays atm we would be seeing it as low as 8m. You can't say oh it's figures are about even with EE or it's figures just about beat EE well what does that prove? It's still not good enough and underwhelming for a show that's about to celebrate its 50th anniversary! EE Live did amazingly well but Corrie should piss all over that easily. This is 50 years. It's the biggest TV event since the 80s.

We should be seeing reports of 18 million viewers on Friday morning next week - if EE which we're always told on here is an inferior show can manage 16m (officials, thought I'd point that out, the BARB ratings being a more accurate reflection, I know some on here like to change what they use to support their own view point hence D.M.N quoting the 14.8m full slot average for EE live, spin at its best) then Corrie can do that and some more! What EE is getting should no longer be relevant now until after next week! It should be about 5m behind Corrie all of next week. Corrie we're often told is the bigger programme. So where are these staggeringly good ratings people were expecting 'around the 50th' which now appear to be confined to one week only. Let's see what is said next week if any ep falls below expectations.

If EE has now become a benchmark for Corrie then ITV should be embarrassed by how much Corrie has fallen since it used to regularly top EE by about 2m on average night only a couple of years ago.

EE may have topped the overnights in January, 10.3m v 9.9m, but Corrie still topped it officially. I'm not denying the BBC3 repeats do well, but I'm just using the info in front of me. Anyway, probs best to rest this until next week. On a side note, I have no idea how Corrie will perform next week. It's either going to be something like 12/13m or something pretty special IMO.

Your average Corrie episode has numerous repeats to catch-up, more than Eastenders with multiple repeat broadcasts / omnibus editions across ITV2 & ITV1.

Each episode is shown about 6 times in total. You can't be comparing total reach without taking those combined figures into account.

I agree Corrie's performance should be judged on its own not by what EE is getting. It is doing well this week but nothing spectacular. I wonder what excuses we'll have next week if their live episode doesn't have a higher overnight rating than 15.6m? That's the real figure I believe. Not the one D.M.N quoted. I have no idea where that 14.8m came from but if we're to believe that then EE jumped over 1m in the officials to 16.5m. Doesn't seem possible.

Some on here are obsessed with Corrie vs EE. It's frankly embarrassing.

All it shows me is week on week most corrie Fans watch it 7:30pm/8:30pm
where as EastEnders seem to have more casual viewers or people that want to watch when they want to

The Sunday Omnibus Rates at around 1.7m most of the time and the BBC3 repeat is genually anything between 600,000 and over a million so therefore EAstEnders is the bigger programe interms of total reach.
These days there is so many ways of catching up and watching when you want and they should be taken into account.

you have it right.

As ive said, until this year, it was pretty clear that Corrie was #1 soap in the UK, and it would always out preform EastEnders, that just isnt the case this year.

Yes you can.
EastEnders can put an extra 2million+ onto their total reach with Both the sunday Omnibus and BBC 3 reapt getting over 1million most of the time (The Omnibus usually rates over 1.5million) where as Corrie's 6/7 repeats doesn't even come close

Corrie's repeat ratings can rate to aslow as 200,000
where as EastEnders very rarely dips below 500,000(BBC3 Repeat)

The fact it has become a competition between EE and Corrie does suggest a decline for Corrie more since it used to effortlessly beat it only 2 years back. However for a soap to reach half a century is a pretty amazing feat. so what EE/Corrie usually get in comparison to each other and what EE got for its silver anni should not really be comparable to Corrie's performance next week which should bring the highest soap ratings for many years. The fact there's been no massive uplift prior to next week does seem worrying. I was expecting some stonking figures for not just the 50th week itself but for the surrounding weeks too. This could have been huge if promoted right proper event TV but there has been endless promotion for weeks so I don't think we can blame the fact it's still only getting 9/10m on a lack of promotion.

Perhaps. But could you provide some figures combining the total reach across all Corrie episodes then please to support your claim ?

I seem to recall some years ago, Eastenders were in the ascendancy and had the upper hand for a number of months / year.

However, then it swung back towards Corrie, no ?

Come off it Corrie's all over the place atm
All over ITV,The papers,Bars of Soap,Tea bags
Everywhere.

IM not denying 50 Years is amazing for any tv and im not trying to slate Corrie or it's ratings here
But im getting annoyed by the way corrie fans are playing the ratings down

Most of the endless ITV2 showings don't make the BARB top 30. At max. Corrie gets about 300-400k for its highest rated ITV2 showing and then 900k for its weekend omnibus on ITV1. Neither the late same night showing and the omnibus do that great because they haven't picked up consistent followings. Corrie can be on any time between 11pm and 1am! You could attempt to add up as many ITV2 showings as possible but then you're not comparing like for like as Corrie is repeated more. I'm not sure if it would beat EE but with several showings it would probably run it close. More first time viewers are likely to be watching the same evening repeat.

Yeah I think the promotion has been heavy but obviously not the right kind of promotion as really the hype should be at fever pitch by now. I don't really feel any excitement at all but then I don't watch Corrie. I was planning to if the buzz excited me but it's just passed me by.

I was just thinking of same night repeats. Admittidley, if you say all repeats then it becomes a total guess then iPlayer/ITV Player numbers will be needed and it becomes impossible to judge total reach.

But, just using figures from the same night repeats should be managable when comparing the two soaps.

There was a post of here a whille back and all repeat's for Corrie were added up
The BBC has mentioned it a number of times too

Sometimes DS release Corrie's repeat ratings and the ones that are on the same evening (between 10-1:am) can rate very low and the sunday Omnibus has been axed by ITV before due to bad ratings
The Sunday Omnibus rates nowhere near that of EastEnders one.