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Psychologists - what kind of childhood produces someone like Gillian?
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francie
24-11-2010
Originally Posted by stickydatepud:
“There's a photo of her as a child in this article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...rmed-back.html

And a little bit about being bullied at school:”

Interesting to note that the 2 positive comments left under that article - both from the US.
snow.mountain
24-11-2010
Hmm ... interesting.

Once or twice I've seen her almost smirking, as if she's doing it all for a dare from someone back home.

Anyway, she's perplexing.
sutie
24-11-2010
Originally Posted by Ellef:
“One of the things I think is missing from the show is a psychologist giving the audience some insight into people's behaviour in the camp as the days go by. Or has that been done in a previous series and dropped?

There's certainly material there for an interesting study in Gillian's case. I'm beginning to believe that although when she collapses it isn't a medical "faint" Gillian herself believes that she is actually fainting, and I'd be willing to bet she's been doing it for years as a tactic to get attention or escape things she doesn't want to deal with. She did say after all that her family wouldn't be worried about the fainting because they've seen it happen loads of times.

I'm sure any day now people are going to start coming out of the woodwork and saying they worked with her years ago and she was doing it then.”


I would think it's far more likely that her family isn't worried because they are in on the 'tactics.'
mrsdidi
24-11-2010
I am afraid I am not at all sure about the claimed severity of her scoliosis, to lose 8 inches you would have to have a really large curve in both the thoracic and lumbar spine which would normally result in possibly breathing problems but most defiantly a very pronounced assymetry of the body. I have noticed that she does sometimes seem to be a little lopsided but no where near enough to cause as much height loss as she claims.

I suspect that she has a tendency to "exaggerate" things, possibly because she has learnt subconsciously that if "bad" things happened then she got the attention she craves, the bullying the health problems etc. I think she does have a genuine fear of things but its not a phobia it is just a fear and the hysterics are just her way of getting attention. I am petrified of spiders but its not a phobia and I dont have to get hysterical every time I see one maybe as a child I did but now i am an adult and whilst I still wouldn't go out of my way to find a spider I dont faint when I see one.
If it was a genuine phobia there is no way she would have even considered going into a place where there were going to be so many of the things she has a fear of
Caz42
24-11-2010
Originally Posted by gogledd:
“It's quite odd that, given how much agonizing pain her scoliosis causes her every day, we've never once heard her complaining about her back. Everything else, yes. Her back, not a peep.”

People who suffer with chronic pain have to live every minute of every day in pain. They have to learn how to eat, sleep and generally live a life through it....which is very difficult. They need to learn distraction techniques and how to cope with it or they could go mad with the pain. Therefore the last thing many want to do is talk about it. This does not mean she is not suffering.
Diamondl1fe
24-11-2010
Originally Posted by Lunasea:
“I thought it was interesting when she said that she thought her camp mates were worried by her alleged fainting, and that her family were "used to it".
She expressed the fact that her family reacted to her, what appears to be frequent stage fainting with indifference.
I am guessing that she saw a new audience, both with the camp mates, and the viewers to see if she could shock and gain the reaction she craves.
Just as she said in her interview that she thought they would be worrying about her wellbeing, when in fact they were laughing about how fake her collapse looked. She has a delusion that everything is about her, and that her actions elicit sympathy and worry.

Yet she shows no caring or empathy towards others, ever! When she upset Stacy she made her "apology" all about herself still, and somehow still managed to blame Stacy for the event.

She finds it hard to hide her glee and smugness when Bob has to go through the procedure with the oxygen etc. She gets positively giddy with giggling excitement when she recounts it.I think she desperately wants that reaction from her family but she has pulled the stunt so many times they no longer bat an eye to it!

I think she is about one thought away from munchausens syndrome! Now she has had a taste of it with Bob and his oxygen and wet cloth there may be no stopping her!”

Yes, I've noticed how she loves recounting the tale of the faint. Even when telling the others about feeling ill and weak and crying, she looks like she's really enjoying herself. I wonder if it's to make them think how brave she is.
pixieboots
24-11-2010
Originally Posted by Caz42:
“People who suffer with chronic pain have to live every minute of every day in pain. They have to learn how to eat, sleep and generally live a life through it....which is very difficult. They need to learn distraction techniques and how to cope with it or they could go mad with the pain. Therefore the last thing many want to do is talk about it. This does not mean she is not suffering.”

If you talk about it it get worse imo. I'd say the spinal pain is probably the only genuine thing about her various ailments, the rest is gravy for a round on the circuit discusiing "my jungle hell".
OhDamm
24-11-2010
Originally Posted by Lunasea:
“I thought it was interesting when she said that she thought her camp mates were worried by her alleged fainting, and that her family were "used to it".
She expressed the fact that her family reacted to her, what appears to be frequent stage fainting with indifference.
I am guessing that she saw a new audience, both with the camp mates, and the viewers to see if she could shock and gain the reaction she craves.
Just as she said in her interview that she thought they would be worrying about her wellbeing, when in fact they were laughing about how fake her collapse looked. She has a delusion that everything is about her, and that her actions elicit sympathy and worry.

Yet she shows no caring or empathy towards others, ever! When she upset Stacy she made her "apology" all about herself still, and somehow still managed to blame Stacy for the event.

She finds it hard to hide her glee and smugness when Bob has to go through the procedure with the oxygen etc. She gets positively giddy with giggling excitement when she recounts it.

I think she desperately wants that reaction from her family but she has pulled the stunt so many times they no longer bat an eye to it!

I think she is about one thought away from munchausens syndrome! Now she has had a taste of it with Bob and his oxygen and wet cloth there may be no stopping her!”

That's the one
OhDamm
24-11-2010
Originally Posted by stickydatepud:
“There's a photo of her as a child in this article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...rmed-back.html

And a little bit about being bullied at school:”

I'm reluctant to believe anything that comes out of her mouth. She comes across as a compulsive, over exaggerating liar
Daisy Bennyboots
24-11-2010
Originally Posted by vidalia:
“That actually sounds like a comprehension exercise written in school by pupils to demonstrate an understanding of the use of adjectives.”


....and every one designed to exaggerate pity for her...which is what she tries to do in the jungle!

I've known people like that before. Horrors. You end up pandering and mollycoddling them until you're emotionally drained and can't walk away. Exit their lives immediately!
Ellef
24-11-2010
Originally Posted by gogledd:
“It's quite odd that, given how much agonizing pain her scoliosis causes her every day, we've never once heard her complaining about her back. Everything else, yes. Her back, not a peep.”

Not yet ...
General Franco
24-11-2010
She is a horrible woman, however there is obviously something very wrong with her spine, but it is odd how her movements don't tie in with a fused back and her breathing is not affected.
di60
24-11-2010
I'm glad I'm not alone in considering munchausens syndrome as a possible reason for the lunacy of this woman.

I found this old article quite interesting:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandsty...drink.features

bit long and tedious, but insightful in parts.
Ellef
24-11-2010
Originally Posted by di60:
“I'm glad I'm not alone in considering munchausens syndrome as a possible reason for the lunacy of this woman.

I found this old article quite interesting:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandsty...drink.features

bit long and tedious, but insightful in parts.”

"I went to the producer and said: 'Whenever Anne is ill, I want to host the show.' They said "no". I don't know what was wrong with me that day, but I wouldn't take no for an answer. She walked away from me, and I ran after her. 'Why not? Why can't I host the show? I know I'm the health person, but there's more to me than that. Don't you run away from me. You stop.' She was never asked back."

Hahahahahhahaha
Agent Holly
24-11-2010
I don't think Gillian has Munchhausen's Syndrome. People with Munchhausen's want attention because of their 'illnesses' even going to extremes such as self harming to get it. If Gillian had this she would never have got on the program as she would have exaggerated her conditions beforehand. She uses her illnesses as an excuse to get her own way and then wants people to marvel how much she achieves in spite of her 'illnesses'.

I've said it on another thread and I'll say it again. She appears to me to be a textbook narcissist.
+Quattro+
24-11-2010
Originally Posted by vidalia:
“That actually sounds like a comprehension exercise written in school by pupils to demonstrate an understanding of the use of adjectives.”

Oh yes! Good call Vidalia, now that you've pointed it out that is exactly what it's like.
di60
24-11-2010
Originally Posted by Agent Holly:
“I don't think Gillian has Munchhausen's Syndrome. People with Munchhausen's want attention because of their 'illnesses' even going to extremes such as self harming to get it. If Gillian had this she would never have got on the program as she would have exaggerated her conditions beforehand. She uses her illnesses as an excuse to get her own way and then wants people to marvel how much she achieves in spite of her 'illnesses'.

I've said it on another thread and I'll say it again. She appears to me to be a textbook narcissist.”

she's manipulative enough not to have done that ^^ she wanted to get on the show at all costs.

I do agree with you about the narcism, but she seems beyond that

Having dealt with her personally, and I wish I could elaborate; I do believe that the primary reason she went on there is for the money, she is trying to use this 'act' to get out on medical grounds and still pick up the paycheck, which she needs to fund her inability to live within her means
Minxyloulou
24-11-2010
Originally Posted by Agent Holly:
“I don't think Gillian has Munchhausen's Syndrome. People with Munchhausen's want attention because of their 'illnesses' even going to extremes such as self harming to get it. If Gillian had this she would never have got on the program as she would have exaggerated her conditions beforehand. She uses her illnesses as an excuse to get her own way and then wants people to marvel how much she achieves in spite of her 'illnesses'.

I've said it on another thread and I'll say it again. She appears to me to be a textbook narcissist.”

I'd agree with this.

Just read the link kindly provided and throughout it screams NPD.
Agent Holly
24-11-2010
[quote=di60;45951854].

I do agree with you about the narcism, but she seems beyond that

QUOTE]

It's a matter of degrees. Murderers are often considered narcissists and there's a quote I heard once something like a narcissist could murder their parents and want leniency in court because they are an orphan...

I'm not suggesting Gillian is capable of murder but she does, again in my opinion, fit the criteria for a narcissist perfectly.
welshmam
24-11-2010
Originally Posted by mrsdidi:
“I suspect that she has a tendency to "exaggerate" things, possibly because she has learnt subconsciously that if "bad" things happened then she got the attention she craves, the bullying the health problems etc. I think she does have a genuine fear of things but its not a phobia it is just a fear and the hysterics are just her way of getting attention. I am petrified of spiders but its not a phobia and I dont have to get hysterical every time I see one maybe as a child I did but now i am an adult and whilst I still wouldn't go out of my way to find a spider I dont faint when I see one.
If it was a genuine phobia there is no way she would have even considered going into a place where there were going to be so many of the things she has a fear of”

I agree, she is showing fear but not Phobia, i laugh every time she says if you understood phobias , you understand me, when in reality she is the one who doesn't understand phobias, because if she did she would not of gone to the jungle, i do feel for people who do have phobias watching her make a mockery of them.
honeythewitch
25-11-2010
Originally Posted by tvsaddo:
“More importantly if this is normal behaviour for her. What kind of upbringing is it for her own children, if, as quoted they are home schooled, they will have limited social contact with their peers and she will be their model as normal!”

Not all home educated children have limited contact with their peers. Most parents, having taken the responsibility for their children's education will also ensure suitable socialising, usually with mixed ages rather than thirty other people exactly the same age as in schools.
There is no evidence at all that home educated children are any less gregarious than those who are schooled, and are usually considerably ahead of their peers.
Assuming that Gillian McKeith does not live in a jungle, her phobias probably do not have much impact on her family life, and i have seen nothing to suggest she is an inadequate parent.
Jaggedcat
25-11-2010
more interesting for me is what kind of childhood produces people who feel the need to make such negative personal verbal attacks against one person on a game show?
PhoebeJeebie
25-11-2010
"The boy who cried wolf " the traditional story to highlight to children the need to tell the truth and how lies can catch you out, is now to be officially replaced by the woman who said "I'm feeling faint........again"
Keyser Soze
25-11-2010
Not sure whether any particular type of childhood produces someone like that. One of my sisters is a bit like Gillian, but the rest of us are nothing like that. She will make up all kinds of illnesses/ailments or big dramatic things that she claims have happened. It's all for attention and very upsetting for the rest of us. It also means that when genuine things happen to her, people feel less sympathetic towards her. Interestingly, she is the least kind towards the rest of us if anything happens to any of us.
Ellef
25-11-2010
Originally Posted by Keyser Soze:
“Not sure whether any particular type of childhood produces someone like that. One of my sisters is a bit like Gillian, but the rest of us are nothing like that. She will make up all kinds of illnesses/ailments or big dramatic things that she claims have happened. It's all for attention and very upsetting for the rest of us. It also means that when genuine things happen to her, people feel less sympathetic towards her. Interestingly, she is the least kind towards the rest of us if anything happens to any of us.”

I used to have a colleague like that. No matter what had happened to you, she could always top it. If you told her you'd sprained your ankle, she'd come back with "yes, but wait 'til I tell you about the time I broke my leg in three places".

I'm sure memories of this woman (and others I've known like her) are part of my perverse enjoyment in watching Gillian suffer through the trials.
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