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Wagner got 4 yes's
From the 4 judges on his audition, so Cowell and his gang have no one to blame but themselves if he is still there .
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He deserved at least 5.
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I don't think they've wanted him gone yet.
He always has a late slot, big productions etc Be interesting to see what happens now there's only a few weeks to go. |
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He deserved at least 5.
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4 judges and he should have got 5 votes.
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I don't think they've wanted him gone yet.
He always has a late slot, big productions etc Be interesting to see what happens now there's only a few weeks to go. |
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You'll know when they want him to go because the coments will suddenly get positive. Simon and Cheryl aren't thick, they know by saying somthing negative it'll encourage votes and saying something positive will stop them.
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You'll know when they want him to go because the coments will suddenly get positive. Simon and Cheryl aren't thick, they know by saying somthing negative it'll encourage votes and saying something positive will stop them.
As it would be a reward for for the beaten down underdog. And the British love their underdogs. Jedward was undone not by the positive comments, but by sacrificing Lucie to create a backlash against them the following week. As Wagner has never been in the bottom 2/3 they haven't been able to play the controversial decision + backlash card for maximum interest and then the result they wanted shortly afterwards. He's basically dangerously close to the final in their eyes for there to be any right or wrong way to play it, either could backfire. |
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If they don't want the novelty acts to win they shouldn't put them in the competitions.
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Usually that would work, but Simon has been trying that spin to a degree already and so much negative stuff has been thrown against him for so many weeks now that positive comments could actually galvanise support.
As it would be a reward for for the beaten down underdog. And the British love their underdogs. Jedward was undone not by the positive comments, but by sacrificing Lucie to create a backlash against them the following week. As Wagner has never been in the bottom 2/3 they haven't been able to play the controversial decision + backlash card for maximum interest and then the result they wanted shortly afterwards. He's basically dangerously close to the final in their eyes for there to be any right or wrong way to play it, either could backfire. |
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Wagner should remember that - if he wins he will no longer be an underdog he will be a winner and the British like nothing more than building someone up only to knock them down again, or worse, forget about them altogether.
If he won, he'd be an Anti-Hero, a cult figure, and as such pretty immune to everything. Controversy powers those sort of characters, not destroy them. Which is why nothing in the press has stuck to him. |
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If they don't want the novelty acts to win they shouldn't put them in the competitions.
Cowell and his team deliberately pick the novelty/dud acts to audition in the first place. |
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But Cowell is on a winner no matter what happens. He pretends he does but he doesn't care who wins once the Xfactor show tops the ratings, gets loads of advertising for ITV, and more millions to add to his multi million bank balance.
Cowell and his team deliberately pick the novelty/dud acts to audition in the first place. He played with a fire a bit this year to maximise ratings and controversy (which worked) but also misjudged the appeal of most of the contestants and underestimated the likeability of Wagner. He also couldn't foresee how well Wagner would actually play the show at it's own game, "embracing the madness" and knowing exactly how to respond to things like the boo'ing crowd and Cheryl etc. The signs things weren't going to plan were made clear as soon as they dumped the double-eliminations after 2 weeks. The expected favourites weren't being received as well as he thought they would, and basically everyone has underperformed to varying degrees and the theme weeks have shown up their ability. So into this vacuum of talent and likeability has stepped Wagner, and all these weeks on he's still there when according to the script he should have been toast by now. If he makes the final, he will most likely win it. |
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Not really the same sort of situation, because they've tried to knock him down to the floor already. He can only go up. The British like knocking down over-hyped stuff, not being told what to do or who to like.
If he won, he'd be an Anti-Hero, a cult figure, and as such pretty immune to everything. Controversy powers those sort of characters, not destroy them. Which is why nothing in the press has stuck to him. |
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That never works for more than three weeks when it is a Simon Cowell related, reality talent contest induced anti-hero. He is just cannon fodder for Mr Cowell and his organisation.
And Cowell being the money-man he is would actually make a small fortune off corporate events booking Wagner. Unlike say Leon would would struggle to be booked at even the opening of a school fete. Wagner will do very well out of all this no matter how Cowell chooses to play it. He said all he wanted from this was "to be in showbusiness", well he's got that and played the game like a master so far. |
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From the 4 judges on his audition, so Cowell and his gang have no one to blame but themselves if he is still there .
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has anyone not thought that they might even want him to win,yes i know it sounds mental,but last years RATM campaign showed that a portion of the people in the country don't want the singer singing a identikit cover every year,so perhaps they are hoping Wagner wins,releases a novelty single at Christmas,it either goes well or tanks(if it tanks,Simon then says,i gave the British people a choice and they screwed up" ,if it goes well Simon takes the credit
Its a mad theory but its possible |
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Doesn't matter what Cowell wants to do with him, he will be remembered LONG after the others have faded. And will probably be bought a drink in every pub he walks into for the rest of his life.
And Cowell being the money-man he is would actually make a small fortune off corporate events booking Wagner. Unlike say Leon would would struggle to be booked at even the opening of a school fete. Wagner will do very well out of all this no matter how Cowell chooses to play it. He said all he wanted from this was "to be in showbusiness", well he's got that and played the game like a master so far. |
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has anyone not thought that they might even want him to win,yes i know it sounds mental,but last years RATM campaign showed that people don't want the singer singing a identikit cover every year,so perhaps they are hoping Wagner wins,releases a novelty single at Christmas,it either goes well or tanks(if it tanks,Simon then says,i gave the British people a choice and they screwed up" ,if it goes well Simon takes the credit
Its a mad theory but its possible And the 'big surprise' will the final will be Wagner being finally allowed to perform a song suited to him. With the judges falling out of their chairs in shock at how good it is. It would make great television, which at the end of the day is all that X-Factor is about. |
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I suspect it will not last to the next series when he will be temporarily remembered before the next 'cult' is paraded before the public to be worshipped.
Faced with the added blow to credibility that Must Be The Music has done in only it's first attempt, you'll either see a rebranded X-Factor (most likely) or it will just further implode in it's attempt to out-do this year. This year's X-Factor is Big Brother 7, Wagner is your Nikki, and it was all downhill for the show from there when they tried and failed to catch lightning in a bottle again. Wagner is very much a one-off, because he's captured exactly what the show has become while also being aware of it at the same time. He's played the people who were playing him. So you have a protest vote combo'd with a likeability vote combo'd with a 'none of the above' vote. You won't get the same circumstances again, and as such he will be remembered for a long time. |
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Depends what rebranding is done to the show before then, because it's morphing into BGT and taking the illusion of a flagship show away from X-Factor. And that illusion is all part of Cowell's illusion as music maestro. At the end of the day, no matter how he spins it, he didn't find any one with enough talent and X-Factor to be able to steal the show this year. Wagner did.
Faced with the added blow to credibility that Must Be The Music has done in only it's first attempt, you'll either see a rebranded X-Factor (most likely) or it will just further implode in it's attempt to out-do this year. This year's X-Factor is Big Brother 7, Wagner is your Nikki, and it was all downhill for the show from there when they tried and failed to catch lightning in a bottle again. Wagner is very much a one-off, because he's captured exactly what the show has become while also being aware of it at the same time. So you have a protest vote combo'd with a likeability vote combo'd with a 'none of the above' vote. You won't get the same circumstances again, and as such he will be remembered for a long time. I'll meet you back here in a year and we can compare notes! |
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You have obviously thought it through and analysed it far more than I have and so you could very well be right but I have my doubts.
I'll meet you back here in a year and we can compare notes! Cowell is much more protective of brands though than Endemol were, Endemol literally thrived on car-crash television until they drove it into a wall. If Wagner does win, it will be interesting to see what happens after and what form X-Factor takes next year. We can indeed compare notes =) |
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has anyone not thought that they might even want him to win,yes i know it sounds mental,but last years RATM campaign showed that a portion of the people in the country don't want the singer singing a identikit cover every year,so perhaps they are hoping Wagner wins,releases a novelty single at Christmas,it either goes well or tanks(if it tanks,Simon then says,i gave the British people a choice and they screwed up" ,if it goes well Simon takes the credit
Its a mad theory but its possible Simon is launching the show in the states Wagner would not be a good 'advert' for the show. Particularly if the press take the protest vote angle for him winning. I think in the US he has to start on the premise it is a serious talent search. |
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I don't think they would want him to win.
Simon is launching the show in the states Wagner would not be a good 'advert' for the show. Particularly if the press take the protest vote angle for him winning. I think in the US he has to start on the premise it is a serious talent search. |
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