It appears to me that Wagner is being used to somehow try and make Simon look ridiculous. Wagner has no talent and certainly has no x factor and he is also a benefits cheat. Rebecca and Matt have real talent and have the x factor and have a real chance of going global.

How do you know Wagner's a benefits cheat?

Apart from the fact that there isn't one artist in this year's competition (including Wagner) who could "multiple CD's and perform in concerts all over the world", you and Simon are absolutely correct.

Mary will sell more CDs than the rest of them put together. From behind the till at Tescos that is.

Wagner as short as 6-1. Rebecaa now as long as 6-1. If he gets through tomorrow I can see him edging into third in the odds.

Well if what you say is true, then people have got more money than sense. So you are saying that people are voting 100 times, at £35 a week, that is obscene!

Well as I have not voted hardly at all, just a few votes here and there I will be storing my votes up to get Wagner out. There is no way that he will win!

I think that you will find that whoever is in the final and even if Wagner is lucky enough to get there, the majority would rather see anybody else win rather than Wagner and I for one will always vote for that other person in the final other than Wagner!

If there is 17 million people watching and at least 10 million vote, do you really think that Wagner will win. So your efforts and the likes will be totally wasted!

I would definitely vote for Rebecca, Cher, Matt and One Direction over Wagner and I think that you will find many others would as well!

By the way, the only person that will be laughing all the way to the bank will be Simon Cowell. So for all of your and other Wagner fans, that want to get back at Simon, it will always be you and them that have egg on their faces, not Simon.

So enjoy the ride while it lasts!

And many others would vote him to win if they are bitter over their act leaving OR if they want the biggest laugh in years!

exactly...up yours simon...and you miss tweedy..your divorced now so why still call yourself cole ..

But what you are missing is the fact that many people like Matt, Rebecca and Cher, so even if two of them go and the one left standing is against Wagner all of the other twos votes will go to that one person and not Wagner!

As I have said, it will definitely be Simon having the last laugh, he will have a winner that HE wants and with all that money that the likes of you and other Wagner fans have lined his pockets with! So keep throwing your money away!

I think Rebecca fans would vote for Wagner after she said she would vote for him, i'm expecting Wagner fans to vote Rebecca if he goes out first

Err...but you explained above how you'll be voting to keep Wagner from winning. So you'll also be throwing your money away right? Logic is your friend.

If i had placed a bet on him, I would certainly be voting for him to, to protect my investment :O

Nobody understands reverse psychology here do they? lol

This is an important year for him, as he wants to build the show's credibility up in the States, Wagner winning certainly wouldn't do that, Simon will survive sure, but the shows credibility won't, he really doesn't like it when the show is made a joke out of, its his baby.

Back in 2005 he had a right go at Louis (when it wasn't so fixed) for putting Chico through and that he was making a mockery of the show.

Hence why he said it wouldn't effect him it would effect the good acts of getting a contract, are they that dumb enough not to use the exposure off the show by going to other labels by sending demo tapes or recordings? - He used that line last year, he can have the phone vote money of course, but seeing his/Danniis/Cheryls face every time Wagner progresses is priceless, he's got further than Jedward, amazing.

If his fans get Wagner through this double eviction and into the semis they will have done very well and made their point. To get him into the final would be an amazing achievment and would certainly write some headlines and boost viewing figures. He wont win, I'd bet my pension on that, but it will be fascinating to see how much further he can go.

He has to have 3 below him tonight or he's toast. Could be Mary, Cher and Katie in the bottom 3, thats the only combination I can see saving Wagner this week, but it could happen.

How can Wagner take fame and fortune away from the other contestants, is he not a contestant, and does he not have the same rights as all the others ? The show is poor this year with all the favouritism, and crying. The man deserves a chance, good luck Wagner.

Simon doesn't have to take Wagner, unless he wants to encourage American weirdos to apply but there are more than enough of those already.

He can showcase with Alexandra, Leona and JLS.

The only act guaranteed to be tied to Simon is the winner. Anyone else he can offer a contract, so I don't see how they will miss out. One possibility is that simon wouldn't sign any of them unless he was forced to, perhaps he should be asked to make it clear.

You can count me in this year.

The show this year has become a joke and its all down to Simon manipulating and treating the public like fools.

I used to think he was a savvy chap who knew what the public wanted.................but, as often happens, hes gotten greedy and is putting that greed above all else.

Wagner will get my votes this year.....and I have never voted before.

Chico was not Louis's act.

Last year a group was set up that vowed to make sure that the X Factor winner did not get the Christmas No 1.

They won.

They took on X Factor supporters when critics yelled "Its a waste of time and your money".....and they won.

You should never under-estimate the power behind such groups.

Yep, with no thought whatsoever given to the fact that these are real people's lives they are dealing with.

People doing this are not doing Wagner any favours (unless they intend to also support his "music career" afterwards which I doubt, win or lose they will forget all about him as soon as the final is over) are not hurting Simon OR the show in any way whatsoever, in fact they are increasing the voting profits, and also in my opinion are totally up themselves thinking that they have any right to attempt to dictate what should or shouldnt be in the charts/ what sort of music everyone else likes or wants to listen too.

But hey, when you only have one brain cell I guess its hard to actually think coherently.

I hope Wagner doesnt win for his own sake.

Yup, will the people voting for Wagner in their thousands go out and buy his cds in their thousands? Don't think so. How cruel

Having been one of the people who set up a Wagner facebook site, I would just like to reply to the people who are against it. I've just picked the previous quote to comment on but this goes the same for all the other people bleating on about the same thing.

Yes, it is real peoples lives, as with anything - but a) they chose to go on the show (or were asked to go on the show in some cases) - if they want to be in showbiz, they'll have to
get used to the ups and downs.
b) You don't have to win the X Factor to make a career - look at all the others who have done well. Wagner winning WILL NOT stop those with genuine talent getting their deals, in fact it might be better for them as they then won't be tied to Simon, and can find whats best for them.

So, we are not doing Wagner any favours - I'td be better just to put him out of his misery now? Is that what you mean? Give him his deal, let him win, let him have the fun.

As for hurting the show or Simon, haven't they done that enough to themselves already, with all the scandals, Gamu, buying Katie out of her contract and consistently keeping her in because of that, even when the public want her out. They try to manipulate the show and the voting so its the acts they want in the spots they want, not respecting the public voting at all. I actually think the shows great and respect Simon in the fact that he is a good buisnessman and if he makes good money out of vthis - so what? It's just that the show has become unfair, both to the contestants and the viewing public and, although we might shake it up a bit this year, the aim (for myself anyway) is to show them it shouldn't be a show about 4 judges and their ego, it should be a show about giving all the talent a fair go and listening to the voice of the public! If they consistently try to fix the show - we need to show them that we will not stand for it and we will fix the show instead!

As for dictating what should or shouldn't be in the charts - isn't that Simons job? And, as these are public facebook pages, we are not forcing anyone to vote any way - it's up to the public to decide whether or not they join and vote Wagner - so it's not 'dictating the charts' (never heard such a silly statement!

And if he wins you will buy his winners single? Continue to support him if he gets the contract? If so, fair enough. If not, why vote for him? The mentality is wrong.

Of course not everyone voting for Matt would buy his single, but many would, whereas with Wagner you get the feeling that only his true fans would - and there really isnt that many of them it seems. So Wagner wins, then fades into obscurity,not for definite but one would think it likely. He may not mind, perhaps he is just enjoying this for what it is, in which case no harm no foul. But he MAY believe that he is truly popular, that people want to buy his music and that will be a hard pill to swallow.

Other winners have faded into obscurity, and you are right that the truly talented will get a career without winning. I just think its truly sad that people feel the need to vote for Wagner just to "stick it to the man". I mean why? Whats the point? Especially as its not even sticking it to the man, its just making him richer.

It won't affect the chances of X Factor USA being successful either.

It just baffles me. But everyone can vote as they please, however stupid it is I guess.

Amazing.

I'd say it's far more up yourself to make sweeping generalisations about thousands of people only having one braincell because they are doing something you don't understand or like something you don't like.

It's also rather up yourself to patronise Wagner, just because you can't see past the 'joke' label the show put on him and the role he was expected to play. You don't credit the man with enough intelligence, because I'm guessing his knowing sense of humour is lost on you in your scramble to proclaim him and everyone who votes for him idiots.

In short, stop being so up yourself and dictating what people should like, and what they should do. Because that is the very thing you are apparently complaining about

That would be worth all the money it cost.