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Old 28-11-2010, 09:58
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Amazing.

I'd say it's far more up yourself to make sweeping generalisations about thousands of people only having one braincell because they are doing something you don't understand or like something you don't like.

It's also rather up yourself to patronise Wagner, just because you can't see past the 'joke' label the show put on him and the role he was expected to play. You don't credit the man with enough intelligence, because I'm guessing his knowing sense of humour is lost on you in your scramble to proclaim him and everyone who votes for him idiots.

In short, stop being so up yourself and dictating what people should like, and what they should do. Because that is the very thing you are apparently complaining about
No indeed do as you like. I just feel sorry for the Wagner one if it turns out that all his "support" is just for fun.
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Old 28-11-2010, 10:08
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And if he wins you will buy his winners single? Continue to support him if he gets the contract? If so, fair enough. If not, why vote for him? The mentality is wrong.

Of course not everyone voting for Matt would buy his single, but many would, whereas with Wagner you get the feeling that only his true fans would - and there really isnt that many of them it seems. So Wagner wins, then fades into obscurity,not for definite but one would think it likely. He may not mind, perhaps he is just enjoying this for what it is, in which case no harm no foul. But he MAY believe that he is truly popular, that people want to buy his music and that will be a hard pill to swallow.

Other winners have faded into obscurity, and you are right that the truly talented will get a career without winning. I just think its truly sad that people feel the need to vote for Wagner just to "stick it to the man". I mean why? Whats the point? Especially as its not even sticking it to the man, its just making him richer.

It won't affect the chances of X Factor USA being successful either.

It just baffles me. But everyone can vote as they please, however stupid it is I guess.

Your argument would make sense if the 6 previous X Factor winners still had top music careers, but they don't.

People voted for Steve, Leon, Joe and Shane in their millions but that support didn't translate into continued single and album sales.

So people not buying your album is par for the course in X Factor, but at least Wagner will be able to treasure the memory of winning forever.
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Old 28-11-2010, 10:12
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No indeed do as you like. I just feel sorry for the Wagner one if it turns out that all his "support" is just for fun.
Fun is quite a good thing to have actually, it makes life more enjoyable.

And if you'd read what Wagner had said this week, about embracing the madness and thanking people for voting for him you'd realise he is having a lot of fun as well. If that wasn't obvious enough already. He is in on the joke, and out-playing the show at it's own game.

He's a grown man, and more than capable of deciding what is or isn't a good thing for him. There is no need to patronise him by feeling sorry for him, when he has stated there is no need to. All he wanted to achieve from this is to "be in showbusiness", and he's doing a bloody good job of that so far by handling all the madness with class and being the most talked about person in the country.

Who you should feel sorry for is all the other contestants who will just be chewed up and spat out, as has already happened and will happen over and over again. And the ones who break down in tears at every opportunity believing this is the single most important moment of their lives and will change everything for the better.

THEY are the ones being exploited, not Wagner.
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Old 28-11-2010, 10:57
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There are people on social network sites and forums voting hard to keep him in. Many people want to give Simon the finger this year.

Didnt you hear what Simon said? He said it wont make any difference to him if Wagner wins. He also went on to say that it will just take it away from the contestants who have genuine talent. In other words money will roll in for Simon no matter who wins but for the other contestants who could go on to sell multiple CD's and perform in concerts all over the world they are the ones who are going to miss out. I think thats a real shame.
Not really. They will give contracts out no matter who wins. They are probably having their lawyers drawing them up as we speak. One set if they win, another if they don't.

TBH, I think the only vote worth its salt this year is the one for Wagner. The rest are meaningless.
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Old 28-11-2010, 11:11
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Going on the X factor ruins real talent of ever being very sucessful anyway, When pop idol/xfactor started Im sure it was all about the longevity and those that have been around for ever (madonna etc)
these shows have failed to produce anythign like that, so being part of the show limits you before you start, if you are really that good you would have success without it.
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Old 28-11-2010, 11:16
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It always makes me laugh when Simon asks auditionees "Where do you see yourself in 5 years time?"

The sad fact is most X Factor winners dreams are over after the first year.
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Old 28-11-2010, 11:18
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I don't believe Simon for a second if he's said it wouldn't bother him if Wagner wins.

Of course he'll make money out of any winner - but he's going to make a damn site more out of Wand Erection - merchandise, tours, appearances, album sales etc simply because the teen market will spend on that sort of stuff.

Although at the age of 30, I would buy a Wagner pencil case and sharpener , I'm sure there are many, many more 7 to 15-year-olds who would want Zain's ugly little mug on their...well... mug, t-shirt, wall, CD player, rucksack, schoolbooks and pencil tins.

Sure, he'd make a packet out of Wagner - but not even half as much as he would 1D.
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Old 28-11-2010, 11:24
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Yup, will the people voting for Wagner in their thousands go out and buy his cds in their thousands? Don't think so. How cruel
Oh, for God's sake. Joe got 6 million votes in the final last year, and sold a grand total of 40,000 copies of his album in the first week. Assuming that each voter voted an average of twice, and that not one person bought his album and didn't vote for him, that translates to one in seventy-five of his voters buying his album when it was released.

Did you complain about people voting for him last year, and tell them that it was cruel to do it to him if they weren't planning to buy his album as well? Bet you didn't.
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Old 28-11-2010, 11:26
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You might as well face it, you're addicted to loaf!
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Old 28-11-2010, 11:26
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I don't believe Simon for a second if he's said it wouldn't bother him if Wagner wins.

Of course he'll make money out of any winner - but he's going to make a damn site more out of Wand Erection - merchandise, tours, appearances, album sales etc simply because the teen market will spend on that sort of stuff.

Although at the age of 30, I would buy a Wagner pencil case and sharpener , I'm sure there are many, many more 7 to 15-year-olds who would want Zain's ugly little mug on their...well... mug, t-shirt, wall, CD player, rucksack, schoolbooks and pencil tins.

Sure, he'd make a packet out of Wagner - but not even half as much as he would 1D.
Zain - ugly? He's a beautiful looking kid.
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Old 28-11-2010, 11:29
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No indeed do as you like. I just feel sorry for the Wagner one if it turns out that all his "support" is just for fun.
Having read the entirety of this thread it's not Wagner or his supporters in need of help. Seriously, whooooooooooooosh!!
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Old 28-11-2010, 11:30
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Oh, for God's sake. Joe got 6 million votes in the final last year, and sold a grand total of 40,000 copies of his album in the first week. Assuming that each voter voted an average of twice, and that not one person bought his album and didn't vote for him, that translates to one in seventy-five of his voters buying his album when it was released.

Did you complain about people voting for him last year, and tell them that it was cruel to do it to him if they weren't planning to buy his album as well? Bet you didn't.
Excellent point and what about the flop that is Leon Jackson
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Old 28-11-2010, 11:30
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There are people on social network sites and forums voting hard to keep him in. Many people want to give Simon the finger this year.
Didnt you hear what Simon said? He said it wont make any difference to him if Wagner wins. He also went on to say that it will just take it away from the contestants who have genuine talent. In other words money will roll in for Simon no matter who wins but for the other contestants who could go on to sell multiple CD's and perform in concerts all over the world they are the ones who are going to miss out. I think thats a real shame.[/quote]

I get what your saying & think Cowel wont loose no matter who wins Financially!

The fact some peeps think Cowel doesn't care I find hard to believe, I think he cares very much, His ego is taking a Bashing & with all the Money in the world Cowel can't buy that or Respect!...
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Old 28-11-2010, 11:34
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Keep voting wagnets! Make it happen!!! Wagz for the WIN
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Old 28-11-2010, 11:36
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There are people on social network sites and forums voting hard to keep him in. Many people want to give Simon the finger this year.
Didnt you hear what Simon said? He said it wont make any difference to him if Wagner wins. He also went on to say that it will just take it away from the contestants who have genuine talent. In other words money will roll in for Simon no matter who wins but for the other contestants who could go on to sell multiple CD's and perform in concerts all over the world they are the ones who are going to miss out. I think thats a real shame.[/quote]

If they are any good then they still will have their share of success.

Leon winning hasn't stopped Rhydian
Alex winning hasn't stopped JLS or Diane
Joe winning hasn't stopped Ollie.
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Old 28-11-2010, 11:41
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One way it WILL make a very real and damaging hit to Simon, is the way that the top 3 are automatically signed to exclusivity contracts for 3 months with SYCO, wether he wants them or not. This means he stands the chance of losing one of his favourites if Wagner beats them into the top three, as they will have the opportunity to sign to another label. This should be good news for Rebecca/Cher fans.
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Old 28-11-2010, 11:44
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You might as well face it, you're addicted to loaf!
People shouldnt get me wrong. I like Wagner. I just don't think he should be the focus of a "campaign to get a joke winner" because that turns him into a joke.

He isnt a joke, but he IS fun.

I even hope he makes the semi finals. Then I'd like to see him go home. All the wagnerites would only have one week without the Wagner then AND he would be there on the night.
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Old 28-11-2010, 11:50
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Zain - ugly? He's a beautiful looking kid.
In your opinion
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Old 28-11-2010, 11:52
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What's Joe's album called? Is it out? I didnt know
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Old 28-11-2010, 13:15
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and also in my opinion are totally up themselves thinking that they have any right to attempt to dictate what should or shouldnt be in the charts/ what sort of music everyone else likes or wants to listen too.

But hey, when you only have one brain cell I guess its hard to actually think coherently.
You mean like Simon Cowell? And like you for that matter?

I wouldn't say your argument is coherent when you criticise people for doing just what you do, and make points that have no logic behind them.

However I wouldn't say you only have one brain cell...because the majority of Wagnerians don't stoop down into the gutter for their arguments.

What you don't understand, and as everyone has pointed out, is that all the Wagner arguments about supporting the act after the final could apply to most winners. Yet people like you never add the caveat...'are you going to buy Matt's records?' for example.
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