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A vote for Wagner is a vote for the Matt's of the future
We all agree the format of XFactor needs to change as its long in the tooth and has become complacent/manipulative/smug - delete as appropriate!
The show needs to embrace talent again and divorce the vested interests of the judges. Consistent voting for Wagner resulting in a top 3 result (ideally a win) will force Cowell to sit up and take note that the public want a proper singing talent show not another Britain's Got Talent joke show. Cowell thinks the public will keep on lapping up whatever he keeps dishing out to them. But no more. The rise of WagnerMania has shown him there's a huge appetite for change. So, a vote for Wagner is actually a vote for Matt - or rather the Matt's of the future. If Wagner goes now, Cowell wins and the 'song remains the same'. VOTE FOR WAGNER, VOTE for FUTURE TALENT. |
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So a vote for someone who can't sing and belongs on BGT is a vote for talent? Where is this logic coming from? Another solar system?
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So a vote for someone who can't sing and belongs on BGT is a vote for talent? Where is this logic coming from? Another solar system?
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Ha-ha..nice spin. You should be in politics.
The way I see it is the more popular you all make Wagner, the more money you put in Simon's pockets by voting for him, the more LIKELY you are to have more Wagner types in the future....not less. |
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We all agree the format of XFactor needs to change as its long in the tooth and has become complacent/manipulative/smug - delete as appropriate!
The show needs to embrace talent again and divorce the vested interests of the judges. Consistent voting for Wagner resulting in a top 3 result (ideally a win) will force Cowell to sit up and take note that the public want a proper singing talent show not another Britain's Got Talent joke show. Cowell thinks the public will keep on lapping up whatever he keeps dishing out to them. But no more. The rise of WagnerMania has shown him there's a huge appetite for change. So, a vote for Wagner is actually a vote for Matt - or rather the Matt's of the future. If Wagner goes now, Cowell wins and the 'song remains the same'. VOTE FOR WAGNER, VOTE for FUTURE TALENT. |
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the more LIKELY you are to have more Wagner types in the future....not less.
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Consistent voting for Wagner resulting in a top 3 result (ideally a win) will force Cowell to sit up and take note that the public want a proper singing talent show not another Britain's Got Talent joke show.
If you want a credible talent show, Vote for talent. If joke acts got no votes and went out week 1. Simon wouldn't bother putting them in the show. Why do Wagner supporters cling to this idea that they will upset Cowell by doing exactly what he wants them to do. |
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So what do you reckon the format should be?
Answered your question? Vote for Wagner and vote for the desperate changes needed. |
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We all agree the format of XFactor needs to change as its long in the tooth and has become complacent/manipulative/smug - delete as appropriate!
The show needs to embrace talent again and divorce the vested interests of the judges. Consistent voting for Wagner resulting in a top 3 result (ideally a win) will force Cowell to sit up and take note that the public want a proper singing talent show not another Britain's Got Talent joke show. Cowell thinks the public will keep on lapping up whatever he keeps dishing out to them. But no more. The rise of WagnerMania has shown him there's a huge appetite for change. So, a vote for Wagner is actually a vote for Matt - or rather the Matt's of the future. If Wagner goes now, Cowell wins and the 'song remains the same'. VOTE FOR WAGNER, VOTE for FUTURE TALENT. |
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Actually it's quite the opposite, The X Factor is seeing huge ratings this year. All that voting for Wagner will achieve is the show will become less and less about talent.
If you want a credible talent show, Vote for talent. If joke acts got no votes and went out week 1. Simon wouldn't bother putting them in the show. Why do Wagner supporters cling to this idea that they will upset Cowell by doing exactly what he wants them to do. |
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Actually it's quite the opposite, The X Factor is seeing huge ratings this year. All that voting for Wagner will achieve is the show will become less and less about talent.
If you want a credible talent show, Vote for talent. If joke acts got no votes and went out week 1. Simon wouldn't bother putting them in the show. Why do Wagner supporters cling to this idea that they will upset Cowell by doing exactly what he wants them to do. ![]()
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Actually it's quite the opposite, The X Factor is seeing huge ratings this year. All that voting for Wagner will achieve is the show will become less and less about talent.
If you want a credible talent show, Vote for talent. If joke acts got no votes and went out week 1. Simon wouldn't bother putting them in the show. Why do Wagner supporters cling to this idea that they will upset Cowell by doing exactly what he wants them to do. |
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While I can fully understand where the 'Wagner' campaigners are coming from I don't like the fact that it hurts other contestants along the way. These contestants are people and its not somethng that is credible. Still one cannot change a mind that has been set on a straight and narrow road one can just let those follow and find out for themselves that nothing is b&w
![]() ![]() Whats meant for the contestants wont get by them...as they say. |
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Whilst I can fully understand where the 'Wagner' campaigners are coming from I don't like the fact that it hurts other contestants along the way. These contestants are people and its not somethng that is credible. Still one cannot change a mind that has been set on a straight and narrow road one can just let those follow and find out for themselves that nothing is b&w
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you obviously don't get it,so why even try to explain it to you
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Because to be quite frank with you, I'm sick of Cowell running these shows. Its time for a change. A big change. I wish someone like Gary Barlow would launch a rival show that showcased talent. Many of us supporting Wagner are sick to the back teeth of being manipulated and spoonfed hackneyed formats from Cowell. A vote for talent in the current format ensures that Cowell remains in the driving seat nonetheless. At least someone like Wagner doing well might persuade Cowell to move over and focus on the US only...giving us someone new to take over. Thats my hope anyway, had enough of the Cowell years now.
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So what do you reckon the format should be?
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The best change they could make to the show (apart from removing the judges from being mentors too), would be to switch how the voting is done.
On the Saturday night, after the final act has performed, the judges decide on the three poorest acts on the night, and put those three up for the public vote... then the public decide who to ditch from those deemed most worthy to be in trouble, but still with the power to save an eccentric act like Wagner or Jedward, if they wish. The judges would've given marks out of 10 during the Saturday show, and those three with the lowest overall totals would be up for the chop. This way, you wouldn't get as much of the moaning about supposedly talented acts going instead of a joke act, as if they were any good they'd have impressed the judges in the first place...
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The thought that voting for Wagner might be a vote for the Matts of the future might actually make me consider not voting for Wagner.
(But I will anyway, due to Wagner's awesomeness.) |
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I am not a ~SC lover by any means and think your idea of another talent show would be fantastic. I however won't put the talent of others on the line just to satisfy my needs to have things the way I want them.I cannot stand the katie situation that annoys me no end. However what right have I to throw the other contestants to the wolves? I would feel dreadful knowing I had done that.
![]() ![]() Donbon - you dont seem to understand the depth of anti-manipulative vitriol against Cowell. Sounds like you want status-quo (not the band) and more of the same. I, for one, dont, and for me like many others, Wagner has become a symbol of change. Wagner winning wont create more Wagners because Cowell will be persuaded to change the format to focus on talent, and also importantly reduce the amount of perceived manipulation going on because this is the other huge issue. Its not just about the talent, but stopping the public being treated as mugs within the current format (sing-offs, vested interests, blatant choice of characters over talent at judges houses - eg, Gamu vs Katie). |
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If they are good enough they will have a career whether Wagner wins or not. They ahve been given an amazing platform. It's only those that fear they cant cut it without the winners title that are annoyed he's still there.
Poor Wagner what about him, he will eventually find out the real reason that people voted for him and that is even more dangerous.![]()
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er, the clue was in my next sentence. Divorce judges from being mentors and the ridiculous vested interests the programme creates. This is the root of the main problem and why American Idol still works really well, ie talent is showcased - you dont get Wagner's on American Idol live finals. Enough changes could be made to divorce this but still keep away from Fuller's Idol patent. I would also allow the acts to play instruments more (again as Idol is doing). I would also bring back the hotel auditions, not the large live auditions that dont syphon out the bad acts as well as they now have backing tracks and the audience behind just cheers on character acts as they do on BGT.
Answered your question? Vote for Wagner and vote for the desperate changes needed. I agree about going back to the hotel auditions rather than the big public ones - they are obviously more about the pure voice than the big showy public ones. |
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The thought that voting for Wagner might be a vote for the Matts of the future might actually make me consider not voting for Wagner.
(But I will anyway, due to Wagner's awesomeness.) ![]()
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The thought that voting for Wagner might be a vote for the Matts of the future might actually make me consider not voting for Wagner.
(But I will anyway, due to Wagner's awesomeness.) 1. He's actually quite likeable and a character/performer - you wonder what he'll do each week (vs. Rebecca...zzzzzzzzz) 2. It'll make Cowell think about nurturing talent better in future 3. It'll make Cowell think twice about the show being so manipulative in the way it works So, not just about Matts of the future but just wanted to highlight that here and you cant fit all that into the title...lol. |
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don't worry "I get it" - I just happen to think it's idiotic
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