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Scott and Pamela Voting Fiasco
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Richwood
28-11-2010
Originally Posted by strictlylicious:
“Loving Scott's dancing and that amazing jive of his previously
Pamela - how good is she and her drive is amazing!
But...two nines for Scott's routine was outrageous and it took him a point collectively above Patsy. A fair mark..6 or 7? 8 at generosity's tops?
Pamela's Charleston was blatantly out of time with shaky landings - how could - in any stretch of the imagination - that score a 9 and Alesha and Bruno, come on - two 10s!!????

Such a blatant voting to save the 'better' dancers ahead of the public favs really soured last night's show..”

Agree on dodgy scoring for Scott and Pamela. I think something like the following would have been right :

Pamela 36
Kara 34
Matt 34
Scott 30
Patsy 28
Gavin 22
Ann 14


However, the Big Four occupy the top four positions and anything that kept Ann and Gavin in the bottom two places is OK by me. If the GBP can play silly beggars by voting for no-hopers why shouldn't the judges do the same thing so that those of us who enjoy real talent can see it get its just reward.
sonic157
28-11-2010
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“I agree.

And while some of the votes may have been a bit high, it didn't really matter as we got pretty much the correct order on the judges' leader board.

So I don't get the hysteria at all. Anything that puts everyone else ahead of Ann is fine by me ... ”

I don't agree that anything that puts Ann at the bottom is fine. Ann is going to be bottom every week that she stays - and I'll give her just two more weeks - but the other six were not in the correct order imo and the judges constantly move the goalposts.
sonic157
28-11-2010
Originally Posted by Richwood:
“
Pamela 36
Kara 34
Matt 34
Scott 30
Patsy 28
Gavin 22
Ann 14
”

There has to be a subjective element here. For me Matt's dance was the dance of the night and I cringed at the Charleston (remember Chris & Ola's and even Ali and Brian's and Layla & Anton's - all better than Pamela & James's). I couldn't believe what I was hearing from the judges. I enjoyed Patsy's dance more than Pamela's or Scott's. My order: Matt, Kara, Scott, Patsy, Pamela, Gavin, Ann.
Servalan
28-11-2010
Originally Posted by sonic157:
“I don't agree that anything that puts Ann at the bottom is fine. Ann is going to be bottom every week that she stays - and I'll give her just two more weeks - but the other six were not in the correct order imo and the judges constantly move the goalposts.”

But what difference would the order you would have preferred them to be in have made?

Unless Patsy had done the AT to end all ATs, her fate was pretty much sealed.

Matt and Scott both have significant public support so, again, they'd qualify for next week anyway.

Kara and Pamela are the only two other contestants who are vulnerable and, as they both performed well, I have no problem with the order in which they ended up.

Anyone with a beef about Matt's scores needs to take a chill pill. It's well-known he's topping the public vote and will most probably win - unless he has to face Ann in the final, in which case his chances will nosedive ...
Servalan
28-11-2010
Originally Posted by sonic157:
“There has to be a subjective element here. For me Matt's dance was the dance of the night and I cringed at the Charleston (remember Chris & Ola's and even Ali and Brian's and Layla & Anton's - all better than Pamela & James's). I couldn't believe what I was hearing from the judges. I enjoyed Patsy's dance more than Pamela's or Scott's. My order: Matt, Kara, Scott, Patsy, Pamela, Gavin, Ann.”

In that case, you may want to revisit that list you just posted!
-Sid-
28-11-2010
Originally Posted by sonic157:
“. My order: Matt, Kara, Scott, Patsy, Pamela, Gavin, Ann.”

I'd have had Scott after Pamela but otherwise I agree.
bobajot
28-11-2010
Originally Posted by Tangerine_82:
“While I feel slightly like a cheat for saying so, I agree. If I could trust the public to vote on dancing talent, I would say that it's a disgrace the judges are trying to save certain contestants. But I can't trust the public - they vote for the Chris Hollins and John Sergeants and Ann Widdecombes of the world. So yes, I hope the judges continue to do everything they can to keep the good dancers in the competition. The public can moan as much as they like about how unfair it is, I couldn't care less, it's their fault we have to resort to this in the first place.”

But the public are PAYING!!!!!!$$$$££££££*******.
This is reality TV and OFCOM needs to get a grip of these so called judges. Somebody's favourite cannot be saved because of their corrupt practices. I don't care if AW wins or not that's down to the public but people that voted for Patsy were short changed by at least two of the judges. We have Dobbin the carthorse top of the shop and the whinger who didn't deserve 3's.
ianswaiting
28-11-2010
Originally Posted by sonic157:
“I don't agree that anything that puts Ann at the bottom is fine. Ann is going to be bottom every week that she stays - and I'll give her just two more weeks - but the other six were not in the correct order imo and the judges constantly move the goalposts.”

They haven't done 'anything' that keeps She Who Must Not Be Named at the bottom. She has done that herself by being the worst there. If she doesn't want to be bottom then she just has to put in a bit more effort and dance better than Gavin. Shouldn't be that hard, it isn't as if he is good.

The judges order: Pamela, Kara, Matt, Scott, Patsy, Gavin, She Who Must Not Be Named

Personally I would have had Kara and Matt the other way around but the judges order seems perfectly logical to me.
ianswaiting
28-11-2010
Originally Posted by bobajot:
“But the public are PAYING!!!!!!$$$$££££££*******.
This is reality TV and OFCOM needs to get a grip of these so called judges. Somebody's favourite cannot be saved because of their corrupt practices. I don't care if AW wins or not that's down to the public but people that voted for Patsy were short changed by at least two of the judges. We have Dobbin the carthorse top of the shop and the whinger who didn't deserve 3's.”

That is ridiculous. Anyone's favourite can be saved if the public give them enough votes.

The fact that the judges preferences are different to yours doesn't make their preferences wrong or corrupt. Patsy was not, in my opinion and apparently that of the judges better than any of the big 4 last night.

It is all very well complaining that they are giving good, and arguably too high, scores to the better dancers (and so they should) but they don't have any scope to mark them lower because they don't score She Who Must Not Be Named lower than a 5 (Craig excepted). If they all gave She Who Must Not Be Named 1's (which lets face it is what she should be getting) then they would be able to score the big 4 in the 5/6 range and not upset the correct order of performance. They can't do this because they would be lucky to get out of the studio alive.
bobajot
28-11-2010
Originally Posted by ianswaiting:
“That is ridiculous. Anyone's favourite can be saved if the public give them enough votes.

The fact that the judges preferences are different to yours doesn't make their preferences wrong or corrupt. Patsy was not, in my opinion and apparently that of the judges better than any of the big 4 last night.

It is all very well complaining that they are giving good, and arguably too high, scores to the better dancers (and so they should) but they don't have any scope to mark them lower because they don't score She Who Must Not Be Named lower than a 5 (Craig excepted). If they all gave She Who Must Not Be Named 1's (which lets face it is what she should be getting) then they would be able to score the big 4 in the 5/6 range and not upset the correct order of performance. They can't do this because they would be lucky to get out of the studio alive.”

No it isn't ridiculous. The judges look at the previous weeks public vote and mark accordingly. Nothing to do with celeb's performance just corruption. If they want to give AW all 1's fine I'll start voting for her.
ianswaiting
28-11-2010
Originally Posted by bobajot:
“No it isn't ridiculous. The judges look at the previous weeks public vote and mark accordingly. Nothing to do with celeb's performance just corruption. If they want to give AW all 1's fine I'll start voting for her.”

And your evidence for this is?
chachachavvy
28-11-2010
Katya complained that Craig was taking notes during her dance with Gavin, but maybe this is a sign that Craig is the only judge who is actually marking the performance he is witnessing before him and that, perhaps, the other judges have already decided upon what they are going to say when watching the dress rehearsal.
bobajot
28-11-2010
Originally Posted by ianswaiting:
“And your evidence for this is?”

The performing monkey on the right who was Pam's dance tutor admitted as much.
ianswaiting
28-11-2010
Originally Posted by bobajot:
“The performing monkey on the right who was Pam's dance tutor admitted as much.”

Thanks for confirming that. I didn't think you had any, and it seems I was right.
ianswaiting
28-11-2010
Originally Posted by chachachavvy:
“Katya complained that Craig was taking notes during her dance with Gavin, but maybe this is a sign that Craig is the only judge who is actually marking the performance he is witnessing before him and that, perhaps, the other judges have already decided upon what they are going to say when watching the dress rehearsal.”

I have noticed them all take notes. Craig possibly more than others but if you are busy writing notes, you aren't watching the performance so perhaps it is better if they write less and watch more.
Spidey
28-11-2010
Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“ .... until this series, 10s were special and that charleston will be held up as the best charleston of the series when it so patently wasn't.




Never in a million years did she deserve those 10s, it didn't have the double bounce and swivel that the judges go on and on and on about being a fundamental of the dance.

I would have had no problem with 8s or 9s for it as she sold it very well, but technically it was terrible. ”

Totally agree!
yenston
28-11-2010
Agree with others that Pamela didn't deserve 10's. I don't think she deserved them last week either. But this week was nothing special and she stumbled so obviously that I felt sure she would be marked down. Having her dance last though was a sure sign 10's were on the way. It didn't really matter how she danced she would have got 10's. It's all becoming so predictable. They certainly seem to value Pam over Kara. Can't understand why as Kara is far and away the best dancer.
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