That may be true - although I think a 5 would have been fairer - but what annoys me is not the score but the comparison with Ann. She really does not dance - just walks about vaguely waving her arms. In fact she doesn't even walk properly - she is all hunched over and often looking at the ground. I agree Gavin is not a natural dancer but I do think he has been trying hard and danced the jive with a lot of energy and attack. Craig really is being unfair here.

I don't think Craig is particularly biased. It isn't his fault that the other judges overmark most of the time. The other judges gave Gavin a 6 or a 7 - very high marks for a deeply flawed routine. I think the highest mark for it should have been a 5, and that's being generous.

Craig is harsh, yes. I think he is the fairest judge though. He did give Ann a 1 on Saturday.

To be fair, she has deserved a 1 for every one of her dances. Craig has been generous to her in that sense.

Then Craig was wrong and as a judge should concentrate on what's being danced not on his pithy/witty remarks. Why have any judges at all if they can't see what is going on including judges who compensate in their marking and don't mind admitting it.

Craig is instructed to use his 'pithy remarks'. He's a character on that show now, people expect him to be the harshest, expect him to be crude with his remarks. If Craig suddenly started being very nice and marking poor routines highly because of 'the effort put in' like Len would do, people would be all over him for being biased or false, or suggesting he's been told to do it by the producers. He's like a pantomime villain. Everyone will boo him, but they wouldn't have him any other way.

I also thought the 3 was a fair score too.

Of course Craig is the master of the pithy/witty remark and I realise that but no one has agree with his of any of the judges scores that aside if a judge can't see what is being danced it is a problem.

Sorry but Gavin's jive was one of the most cringe worthy things I've seen in a long time - god he was so so bad, it was just so embarrassing. To make it even worse he couldn't acknowledge that it was so bad - he kept saying he thought it was okay! The man is a fool.

Perhaps you're right. It all depends on perspective I guess. I generally find myself agreeing with nearly all of Craig's marks. But then again, to paraphrase the man himself, it depends on your background. I'm from a theatrical one like him, so maybe I look for similar things.

Gavin's no fool he's just not an excellent dancer but he is a dancer who tries. Gavin probably did think it was okay if it was what Katya had taught him and he hadn' t made any mistakes in the routine. How does anyone know?

Katya strikes me as being the pro who takes this competition the least seriously. I'm not saying she doesn't want to win and do well, it's just when you see the training, she seems to spend more time trying to make Gavin come on to her than worrying about perfecting the routine.

She's like the quintessential sex kitten.

Goodness only knows.


I agree part of the problem is the over marking of the other judges. But given Ann dances virtually no steps and scores 1 point, to give Gavin 3 for a routine with loads of steps - some of which were not bad at all - then it seems low to me. I wouldn't have moaned at a 5.


I think that is definitely part of the problem and I suspect Katya not being totally honest with Gavin about his standard of dancing is probably the only way she can get a routine done every week. Gavin's nerves and confidence are shaky enough.


I think Katya is one of the most competitive pros, but she is a sex kitten too!

I think the fairest thing anyone could do for Gavin is to send him back to Wales with a 'faulty' sticker on his feet ! How on earth he managed to survive on Saturday was a complete miracle ! At least Patsy could do a passing impression of a dance !

They'll all go back to where they came from at some point. If you're making Patsy the point she obviously didn't get the votes and although I thought it was Patsy best dance that has nothing to do with Gavin.

Gavin was improving, he seems to be going backwards now but I do think Craig could have been a little more constructive with his remarks.

I wasn't making Pasty the point, I was using Pasty as a tool to illustrate that, IMHO, Craig is being more than fair because Gavin can't dance and no amount of funny trousers and goofy glasses is going to change that, on other forums people are concerned that AW might force out a good dancer, my view is that Gavin is in the same boat as AW, neither of them should force out a good dancer and whilst Pasty wasn't up there with Matt or Scott, she was holding her own.

Mine too.

The others are in a different league. It's all very well saying Gavin is trying, but the end result is pretty woeful. I'm not sure he has improved all that much anyway - he's fluctuated depending on whether it's a dance he likes the feel of or not.

I'm not against people voting for him, but it's no different to voting for Ann in my opinion.

But if you look at the last few weeks, it had gone from Gavin being behind Patsy on points (by some way) to being equal on points, to Gavin being ahead by one point and then behind by one point to what happened on Saturday.

Honestly, I think Gavin will be out this week ... and in a way I'm glad he stayed over Patsy this week. She had the chance to go out doing a dance she had always wanted to do and after giving a good performance and I'd like Gavin to have the same opportunity as Felicity and Patsy and go out knowing that he had done a good 'un, just to round the experience out and not leave in a cloud of frustration.

If anything he is too kind to him. Sure he is a lovely bloke but 0/10 for personality and 1/10 for his dancing