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Old 29-11-2010, 18:59
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Whoops, posted this in the appreciation thread... by accident.

Very quickly bypassed on "It Takes Two" this evening with the following statement from Alesha...

(paraphrased a little...)

"I normally agree with Craig's scoring, I'm just nicer with the comments. Watching it back, it might have been an 8 instead of a 9. My 9 evened out Craig's 6."

Once again, paraphrasing a bit, but honestly - your job is to score the dancing love, not sugar-coat the "true" judges' scores with a throwaway 9 for the sake of it...

What the hell, next week start up your "points for wearing pink" campaign again?

Clarity Alesha, not charity...
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Old 29-11-2010, 19:03
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"your job is to score the dancing love" you forgot to add, from the perspective of an ex-contestant. That bit is pretty important

They all have their roles.
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Old 29-11-2010, 19:04
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Alesha doesn't seem to realise that "charity" marks are unfair to the other contestants. I think she's a bit of a joke as a judge.
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Old 29-11-2010, 19:06
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If Alesha wants to be nice she could give encouraging and constructive comments to the contestants but then at least attempt to give a realistic score.

Strange how her niceness never extends to all the dancers.
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Old 29-11-2010, 19:11
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If Alesha wants to be nice she could give encouraging and constructive comments to the contestants but then at least attempt to give a realistic score.

Strange how her niceness never extends to all the dancers.
True that. Like last year she has her fav's. It's not like she's Dannii from xfactor and is the same to all of them, regardless.

I think TBH, people have learnt to live with her even though she's pretty useless as a judge. She doest come across as very articulate when she's given critique as well.
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Old 29-11-2010, 19:14
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I thought it was quite brave of Alesha to come on with Craig and explain herself. I don't agree with her scoring but I still like her.
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Old 29-11-2010, 19:15
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True that. Like last year she has her fav's. It's not like she's Dannii from xfactor and is the same to all of them, regardless.

I think TBH, people have learnt to live with her even though she's pretty useless as a judge. She doest come across as very articulate when she's given critique as well.
I agree. Craig Kelly's Cha Cha Cha:

"You ain't as good as you think you are, innit?"

Alright, I made up the "innit" part, but that came out of nowhere last year - but just shows how she can swing the knife both ways I suppose.

Ex-contestant or not, it's her job to still score a dance in relation to how well it is DANCED. And even from an ex-contestant's point of view, Scott's dance was not a 9.
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Old 29-11-2010, 19:30
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Watching the slow-motion recording of Scott's errors made Alesha's score appear all the more ridiculous.
But there again, Craig and Alesha's comments about Pamela were equally absurd..in my opinion. Were the lifts dangerous ?..didn't appear so to my un-trained eyes, no more so than many others we've seen anyway. I thought Pamela looked ungainly, I know some of that may have been intentional (the Charleston contains elements of comedy) but it did not merit a 10..again, in my opinion.
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Old 29-11-2010, 19:43
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Alesha is a judge because she won Strictly in the past. She is not a professional dancer/instructor or judge. She is there to give her own personal and unique view. Each judge was chosen from their own field and for there own take on the dances. I do not want to watch 4 judges liking and disliking identical things, giving identical comets and scoring identical marks.
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Old 29-11-2010, 19:51
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I thought it was quite brave of Alesha to come on with Craig and explain herself. I don't agree with her scoring but I still like her.
Brave or daft?

I thought tonight's ITT merely served to highlight what a poor judge Alesha is.

I'm surprised the producers exposed her bizarre marking so openly given how hard they've tried in the past to convince us that she's worthy of her judge status.
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Old 29-11-2010, 19:53
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Alesha is a judge because she won Strictly in the past. She is not a professional dancer/instructor or judge. She is there to give her own personal and unique view. Each judge was chosen from their own field and for there own take on the dances. I do not want to watch 4 judges liking and disliking identical things, giving identical comets and scoring identical marks.
Hi Jinx,

Is that not a crucial aspect of judging though? Inter-rater reliability?

If the panel can't agree, how on earth are we supposed to take them seriously? To trust them? Who are we to believe?
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Old 29-11-2010, 19:54
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I thought it was quite brave of Alesha to come on with Craig and explain herself. I don't agree with her scoring but I still like her.
Except in my opinion she didn't explain herself - just made it worse by admitting that she wasn't marking the dance she saw she was marking to compemsate for what she thought was harsh marking from Craig!!

Totally hopeless. She is being paid to judge the dancing not arrange the leaderboard as SHE thinks it should look. She has totally discredited the judging system. What a stupid woman.
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Old 29-11-2010, 19:56
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I definitely wouldn't describe her as brave, neither do I think it was a wise move. I don't think it did her any favours at all.
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Old 29-11-2010, 19:57
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Alesha is a judge because she won Strictly in the past. She is not a professional dancer/instructor or judge. She is there to give her own personal and unique view. Each judge was chosen from their own field and for there own take on the dances. I do not want to watch 4 judges liking and disliking identical things, giving identical comets and scoring identical marks.
Neither do I, but I would hope that they can see when someone completely cocks up a dance and be impartial enough to give marks that are fair and deserved.
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Old 29-11-2010, 20:04
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She is there to give her opinion as a past contestant, simple as. Yes, she may have been mistaken for giving Scott a 9 (although I think a 10 for Pamela was totally justified) but haven't all the judges over or under marked over the years at some point. She is looking at in the eyes of a past contestant. People need to stop being rude. The comment about her intelligence was totally unwarranted and i know for a fact she is incredibly smart and wise.
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Old 29-11-2010, 20:08
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And still none mentions the elephant in the corner , FGS , only Craig has the guts to say how simply bloody awful Ann really is .Are they all scared of mentioning it or what ,
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Old 29-11-2010, 20:11
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And still none mentions the elephant in the corner , FGS , only Craig has the guts to say how simply bloody awful Ann really is .Are they all scared of mentioning it or what ,
Possibly. Slagging of the elephant in the room backfired on them when it was John Sargeant.
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Old 29-11-2010, 20:11
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And still none mentions the elephant in the corner , FGS , only Craig has the guts to say how simply bloody awful Ann really is .Are they all scared of mentioning it or what ,
I thnk they're wise not to antagonise Ann's fans Abba. When the whole panel laid into John Sergeant week after week, there was quite a backlash against the judges.

They have learnt not to make the same mistake again. The last thing they want is for Ann to get the sympathy vote as well.
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Old 29-11-2010, 20:14
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Possibly. Slagging of the elephant in the room backfired on them when it was John Sargeant.
I thnk they're wise not to antagonise Ann's fans Abba. When the whole panel laid into John Sergeant week after week, there was quite a backlash against the judges.

They have learnt not to make the same mistake again. The last thing they want is for Ann to get the sympathy vote as well.
Yes , I know but its hugely frustrating now to see them gloss over it and pretend its not even happening . I really need to get a life dont I ?
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Old 29-11-2010, 20:16
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I agree. Craig Kelly's Cha Cha Cha:

"You ain't as good as you think you are, innit?"

Alright, I made up the "innit" part, but that came out of nowhere last year - but just shows how she can swing the knife both ways I suppose.

Ex-contestant or not, it's her job to still score a dance in relation to how well it is DANCED. And even from an ex-contestant's point of view, Scott's dance was not a 9.
So why should she be perfect when head judge Len is far from consistent or even fair with his scoring?

Aha, there has been a shortage of 'I hate Alesha' threads this year (thank goodness) so now let's fit this in all quickly before the finals are over.
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Old 29-11-2010, 20:23
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Yes , I know but its hugely frustrating now to see them gloss over it and pretend its not even happening . I really need to get a life dont I ?
I reckon they probably realise it's stating the obvious so don't bother.

Much more interesting listening to how they distinguish between the top four where the differences in quality are less clear and more important because they can affect the order.
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Old 29-11-2010, 20:26
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So why should she be perfect when head judge Len is far from consistent or even fair with his scoring?

Aha, there has been a shortage of 'I hate Alesha' threads this year (thank goodness) so now let's fit this in all quickly before the finals are over.
Len's scoring is fairly consistent overall. Yes, all of the judges have their moments and Len has been fairly bad this year. However, Alesha is doling out tens like they're going out of fashion.

The fact that she said she agrees with Craig's scores doesn't make sense when her scores are vastly different. She seems to be giving out high marks because she feels sorry for people, which is crazy.

I don't hate Alesha, I hate her scoring a lot of the time. Turning this into a "fans v haters" debate is silly. Alesha's scores weren't fair on Saturday and people have a right to say so. Bruno has been almost as bad this year, but he's been a bit better than Alesha.
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Old 29-11-2010, 20:31
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I reckon they probably realise it's stating the obvious so don't bother.

Much more interesting listening to how they distinguish between the top four where the differences in quality are less clear and more important because they can affect the order.
I listen with interest to them and am non the wiser !!
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Old 29-11-2010, 20:33
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At least Aleysha tried to explain herself. Craig just acted insufferably smug, as usual.
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Old 29-11-2010, 20:36
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I listen with interest to them and am non the wiser !!
That's because the judges (especially Alesha), often don't have very credible arguments to back up their dodgy scores!

Hence threads like this....

I couldn't believe they sat there criticising Kara's timing and Matt's tense face, and then ooohed and ahhhed as we saw Pamela's manic face and heavy footing during the replay of her Charleston. It's those sorts of inconsistencies that make us question the judges (and reading back the ITT thread, it seems I'm not alone!).
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