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Alesha's Gloss-Over
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olivej
29-11-2010
Originally Posted by reclinewithme:
“I thought it was quite brave of Alesha to come on with Craig and explain herself. I don't agree with her scoring but I still like her.”

I dont think she explained herself at all!
HeidiB
29-11-2010
The problem is that Alesha clearly doesn't have the experienced eye which would allow her to watch the dance, whilst noticing faults and slip ups. On top of this ignorance she is changing her marks to counterbalance the marks of a superior judge.

She could wreck the balance of the show and could alter the result of an elimination.
Stockingfiller
29-11-2010
Perhaps Aleysha and Bruno had been advised to save Scott.
jinx2
29-11-2010
Hi Sid,

If the judges had the same backgrounds and taught/danced in the same style using the same disciplines then I would expect Inter-rater reliability. Each judge has there own area of expertise, one may see something they love while the other sees meritocracy. It's up to the viewer to decide what they looking for and which judge they agreed with most.
Philly1234
29-11-2010
Originally Posted by jinx2:
“Hi Sid,

If the judges had the same backgrounds and taught/danced in the same style using the same disciplines then I would expect Inter-rater reliability. Each judge has there own area of expertise, one may see something they love while the other sees meritocracy. It's up to the viewer to decide what they looking for and which judge they agreed with most.”

The way you said this was a bit convoluted but you're still the new voice of reason in this thread.
rita1
29-11-2010
The worst thing to me about Alesha tonight was the casual way she tried to dismiss the whole incident as of no real importance. I'm sure she would have been devastated if she had been the victim of such manipulation when she was a contestant. Shame on you Alesha.
SunnyMushroom
29-11-2010
Len, Alesha and Bruno were all at fault on Saturday.

I am sure Len and Bruno will come up with their own dippy explanations of why they decided not to score properly.

In the mean time I have to say that I like Alesha's gloss over. It makes her lips all red and kissable.
Bonnie96
29-11-2010
Originally Posted by PasoHardly:
“Ex-contestant or not, it's her job to still score a dance in relation to how well it is DANCED. And even from an ex-contestant's point of view, Scott's dance was not a 9.”

Originally Posted by jinx2:
“Alesha is a judge because she won Strictly in the past. She is not a professional dancer/instructor or judge. She is there to give her own personal and unique view. Each judge was chosen from their own field and for there own take on the dances. I do not want to watch 4 judges liking and disliking identical things, giving identical comets and scoring identical marks.”

I agree with BIB.

2 Judges gave Scott a 9 - I haven't seen the more experienced Bruno Tonioli taken to task
bloggingbelle
29-11-2010
Bruno at least did not score Scott higher than Matt - though that is his only defence.

Alesha realises what a fool she looks and is trying to back pedal - the footage of Scott on ITT just reinforces how bad it was- but Alesha would have still have given him an eight.

Give me strength!
miss_minervois
29-11-2010
Vive La Revolution. CRH is the only one I pay any attention to. The other 3 are off their respective trolleys*, but what bothers me slightly is their God complexes as to how they manipulate the leader board.

* apart from Len on the odd occassion when he's actually talking about technique.
Italiangirl
29-11-2010
Originally Posted by Philly1234:
“The way you said this was a bit convoluted but you're still the new voice of reason in this thread.”

Voice of reason??? Give me strength. Whether they are professional judges or not they should be able to see glaring mistakes. Natalie was having to drag Scott into position a couple of times and he admitted himself he forgot most of the routine. I have completely lost respect for Alesha - I can't believe she didn't see the mistakes; for some reason she didn't want to see them. Unfair and ridiculous behaviour.
Tissy
29-11-2010
Originally Posted by Bonnie96:
“I agree with BIB.

2 Judges gave Scott a 9 - I haven't seen the more experienced Bruno Tonioli taken to task ”

Alesha does seem to be getting more stick than Bruno for exactly the same error
Caro07
29-11-2010
Originally Posted by sammyvine:
“True that. Like last year she has her fav's. It's not like she's Dannii from xfactor and is the same to all of them, regardless.

I think TBH, people have learnt to live with her even though she's pretty useless as a judge. She doest come across as very articulate when she's given critique as well.”

I have been a fan of Alesha but I think this is true.
Her favourite is Kara (a 10 for a smooth without hold!) and she (relatively speaking) undermarks Matt because she sees him as a threat to Kara, (Matt was the only person she didn't give higher marks than Craig did).
She doesn't think that Scott or the others are a threat to Kara so she feels she can freely overmark them.
Italiangirl
29-11-2010
Originally Posted by Tissy:
“Alesha does seem to be getting more stick than Bruno for exactly the same error ”

1. Everyone knows Bruno is a nutter.

2. She actually gave Scott's disaaaasterous dance a higher mark than Matt's. This has - understandably - annoyed some people!
Italiangirl
29-11-2010
Originally Posted by Caro07:
“I have been a fan of Alesha but I think this is true.
Her favourite is Kara (a 10 for a smooth without hold!) and she (relatively speaking) undermarks Matt because she sees him as a threat to Kara, (Matt was the only person she didn't give higher marks than Craig did).
She doesn't think that Scott or the others are a threat to Kara so she feels she can freely overmark them.”

That's an interesting idea, but I don't really think it can be right. Why doesn't she think Scott is a threat to Kara?? Judging by the marks he has been getting he is a definite threat!
Caro07
29-11-2010
Originally Posted by Italiangirl:
“That's an interesting idea, but I don't really think it can be right. Why doesn't she think Scott is a threat to Kara?? Judging by the marks he has been getting he is a definite threat! ”

Because he is inconsistant, one week he is good, the next not so much.
Italiangirl
29-11-2010
Originally Posted by Caro07:
“Because he is inconsistant, one week he is good, the next not so much.”

But that's quite normal, surely? I remember when Mark Ramprakash won he had several not very good weeks - this is positive....it makes the public think the contestant has been on a j*****y!
Sultrydiva
29-11-2010
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“Brave or daft?

I thought tonight's ITT merely served to highlight what a poor judge Alesha is.

I'm surprised the producers exposed her bizarre marking so openly given how hard they've tried in the past to convince us that she's worthy of her judge status.”

Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“Hi Jinx,

Is that not a crucial aspect of judging though? Inter-rater reliability?

If the panel can't agree, how on earth are we supposed to take them seriously? To trust them? Who are we to believe?”

Originally Posted by tinselgirl:
“Except in my opinion she didn't explain herself - just made it worse by admitting that she wasn't marking the dance she saw she was marking to compemsate for what she thought was harsh marking from Craig!!

Totally hopeless. She is being paid to judge the dancing not arrange the leaderboard as SHE thinks it should look. She has totally discredited the judging system. What a stupid woman.”

Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“That's because the judges (especially Alesha), often don't have very credible arguments to back up their dodgy scores!

Hence threads like this....

I couldn't believe they sat there criticising Kara's timing and Matt's tense face, and then ooohed and ahhhed as we saw Pamela's manic face and heavy footing during the replay of her Charleston. It's those sorts of inconsistencies that make us question the judges (and reading back the ITT thread, it seems I'm not alone!).”

Emm...mmm! - this thread sounds like an excuse to bash Alesha to me. Her comments will never please because she's not a trained dancer or judge and she has suspect grammer. Would it have mattered how she'd explained herself today, she would still have been slated and this thread would probably have been titled the same.

It has been noted that all the judges except craig have been a little erratic with their marks yet it always seems to be Alesha who is singled out. I admit her marks are sometimes a little generous though that can also be said of Bruno and Len depending on their bias tendencies.

Len likes tradition so he marks accordingly - if he sees something too modern he will mark it down though he too has admitted that he can be generous because he wants to be supportive. Bruno likes drama as well as technique but bottom line is it has to 'float his boat'.

I don't agree that all the judges need to agree as they are individuals coming from different perspectives. What should be more impressive is when they all agree with their marks as that should tell how good or how bad the dance was. Also quite frankly if they agreed all the time what would we on this board have to talk about! It's obvious we all like to moan!
bobajot
29-11-2010
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“That's because the judges (especially Alesha), often don't have very credible arguments to back up their dodgy scores!

Hence threads like this....

I couldn't believe they sat there criticising Kara's timing and Matt's tense face, and then ooohed and ahhhed as we saw Pamela's manic face and heavy footing during the replay of her Charleston. It's those sorts of inconsistencies that make us question the judges (and reading back the ITT thread, it seems I'm not alone!).”

Yes Craig winced again when Dobbin landed. Alesha is complete crud when it comes to judging.
*stargazer*
29-11-2010
I loved her judging rationale. Giving people high marks because she feels sorry for them or they look cute. And some people defend her on here? Oh dear...
labasheedy
29-11-2010
Originally Posted by rita1:
“The worst thing to me about Alesha tonight was the casual way she tried to dismiss the whole incident as of no real importance. I'm sure she would have been devastated if she had been the victim of such manipulation when she was a contestant. Shame on you Alesha.”



absolutely!
I just felt like shouting, stop laughing!
How would you like this done to you!
Stop laughing!
SCD-Observer
29-11-2010
It's both a shame and shameful for Alesha for saying what she said.
Bonnie96
29-11-2010
There has been a distinct lack of Alesha-bashing threads this year - until this week, even though she has been over-marking every week since the series started.
This week she was 1 of 2 Judges giving exactly the same mark for exactly the same dance.

I wonder if it's more to do with who was not perceived as being over-marked as opposed to who was?
gorlagon
29-11-2010
The impression I got was that Alesha had missed all Scott's mistakes, pressed the 9 button on her little pad at the end of the dance, and ended up having to make up some waffle about 'keeping going' after she'd heard Len and Craig's comments.

Mind you, quite where that leaves the 9 from Bruno, I can't imagine...

I just keep seeing Natalie getting poor Scott in that headlock halfway through in my mind's eye and - mean though it is - you have to admit it was funny!
labasheedy
29-11-2010
I don't think they saw that mess down in the corner properly.

Craig said he watched it again and thought he should have given a 5 or 6!
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