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I don't think they saw that mess down in the corner properly.
Craig said he watched it again and thought he should have given a 5 or 6! I think they often miss bits. |
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yes, in order to see the top left hand corner, they might block each others view as their stand is almost on the dancefloor isnt it?
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What can I say folks, I love the girl. Its so nitpicking to pounce on her for the most trivial of things. Its nitpicking at its ugliest imo.
In any case her judging is extremely intelligent it seems in comparison to the 'know-it-all' GBP who keeps voting to keep Widders in. |
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trivial?
Her voting scores? What's the important part of her job then..
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Alesha isn't as bad as she used to be. With Bruno and Len going a bit bonkers, she does not seem as far out of her depth as she used to.
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I didn't see her on ITT tonight, but from what I've read on here isn't it possible she meant that now she's watched it back it might have been an 8, but that her 9 balanced out Craig's score anyway? Not that she deliberately voted higher for that reason, but that that's how it worked out? I think it could easily be taken that way. I'm not really a fan of Alesha as a judge - well as anything really - but that's how it sounds to me, unless she's misquoted in this thread anyway!
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She is there to give her opinion as a past contestant, simple as. Yes, she may have been mistaken for giving Scott a 9 (although I think a 10 for Pamela was totally justified) but haven't all the judges over or under marked over the years at some point. She is looking at in the eyes of a past contestant. People need to stop being rude. The comment about her intelligence was totally unwarranted and i know for a fact she is incredibly smart and wise.
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I agree with BIB.
2 Judges gave Scott a 9 - I haven't seen the more experienced Bruno Tonioli taken to task |
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I imagined her comment would cause uproar.
To be fair, the other judges are probably doing the same (balancing out Craig's marks), but at least Alesha admitted this. I have more of a problem with Len who seems to think his generally higher scores are defensible on grounds of merit/dance skill assessment alone. He would not say (I don't think) that he scores that way to balance Craig's marks but rather because he believes the dance deserves that score. That is surely more worrying. If Alesha adds a mark or two "to be nicer" for every contestant, it makes no relative difference. Annoying though the inconsistency is, the litmus test is the judges' leaderboard, and - by-and-large - it's not usually that bad. |
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In any case her judging is extremely intelligent it seems in comparison to the 'know-it-all' GBP who keeps voting to keep Widders in. |
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I have been a fan of Alesha but I think this is true.
Her favourite is Kara (a 10 for a smooth without hold!) and she (relatively speaking) undermarks Matt because she sees him as a threat to Kara, (Matt was the only person she didn't give higher marks than Craig did). She doesn't think that Scott or the others are a threat to Kara so she feels she can freely overmark them. She disliked Matt and the actress who was in footballers wives (can't remember her name), Remember the drunken rag doll comment. |
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She is there to give her opinion as a past contestant, simple as. Yes, she may have been mistaken for giving Scott a 9 (although I think a 10 for Pamela was totally justified) but haven't all the judges over or under marked over the years at some point. She is looking at in the eyes of a past contestant. People need to stop being rude. The comment about her intelligence was totally unwarranted and i know for a fact she is incredibly smart and wise.
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Emm...mmm! - this thread sounds like an excuse to bash Alesha to me. Her comments will never please because she's not a trained dancer or judge and she has suspect grammer. Would it have mattered how she'd explained herself today, she would still have been slated and this thread would probably have been titled the same.
It has been noted that all the judges except craig have been a little erratic with their marks yet it always seems to be Alesha who is singled out. I admit her marks are sometimes a little generous though that can also be said of Bruno and Len depending on their bias tendencies. Len likes tradition so he marks accordingly - if he sees something too modern he will mark it down though he too has admitted that he can be generous because he wants to be supportive. Bruno likes drama as well as technique but bottom line is it has to 'float his boat'. I don't agree that all the judges need to agree as they are individuals coming from different perspectives. What should be more impressive is when they all agree with their marks as that should tell how good or how bad the dance was. Also quite frankly if they agreed all the time what would we on this board have to talk about! It's obvious we all like to moan! ![]() ![]() |
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What can I say folks, I love the girl. Its so nitpicking to pounce on her for the most trivial of things. Its nitpicking at its ugliest imo.
In any case her judging is extremely intelligent it seems in comparison to the 'know-it-all' GBP who keeps voting to keep Widders in. |
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I have been a fan of Alesha but I think this is true.
Her favourite is Kara (a 10 for a smooth without hold!) and she (relatively speaking) undermarks Matt because she sees him as a threat to Kara, (Matt was the only person she didn't give higher marks than Craig did). She doesn't think that Scott or the others are a threat to Kara so she feels she can freely overmark them. Alesha doesn't undermark Matt because she sees him as a threat to Kara. Matt is topping the public vote - which means he is top of the public and judges' leaderboards combined. So he's pretty much safe whatever happens. He will probably win SCD8 and Kara will be lucky if she makes the final. She poses no threat to Matt whatsoever. And Scott is a threat to Kara given that he is also more popular with the public than she is. So that blows that theory. Scott isn't the only celeb to have lost the plot then not got bad scores from the judges. As I recall, Len was quite kind to Matt di Angelo when he gave up in the middle of a dance and just sat on the steps (which is a lot worse than what Scott did). Frankly, it doesn't matter at all if Alesha (and Bruno) gave Scott more points than Matt. Both of them are in any case safe from being in the bottom two given their public support - so, as Matt was above Scott on the leader board, what's the problem? Matt was never in danger. This isn't the first time in SCD history that the judges have scored erratically. And at least this wasn't a long-term set-up job that cost one of the series' best dancers their place in the competition, as we have seen in the past (exhibit A: Snowdonia). This hysteria is a storm in a teacup and any fan of Matt's 'incensed' about it should get wise and start worrying about the prospect of Ann reaching the final - because that's much more of a threat to their favourite than any overmarking on the judges' part. |
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What can I say folks, I love the girl. Its so nitpicking to pounce on her for the most trivial of things. Its nitpicking at its ugliest imo.
In any case her judging is extremely intelligent it seems in comparison to the 'know-it-all' GBP who keeps voting to keep Widders in. On the basis of your arguement anyone could judge better than the GBP - although Len giving Ann a 7 calls his judgement into question - rightly so - but it doesn't defend Alesha. Most of Alesha's crtics probably aren't voting for Ann. |
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Undermarking/overmarking/general marking doesnt matter anyway. Viewers don't take to it, if so Anne would have been out in the 2nd week.
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Sorry, but your argument doesn't hold water.
Alesha doesn't undermark Matt because she sees him as a threat to Kara. Matt is topping the public vote - which means he is top of the public and judges' leaderboards combined. So he's pretty much safe whatever happens. He will probably win SCD8 and Kara will be lucky if she makes the final. She poses no threat to Matt whatsoever. And Scott is a threat to Kara given that he is also more popular with the public than she is. So that blows that theory. Scott isn't the only celeb to have lost the plot then not got bad scores from the judges. As I recall, Len was quite kind to Matt di Angelo when he gave up in the middle of a dance and just sat on the steps (which is a lot worse than what Scott did). Frankly, it doesn't matter at all if Alesha (and Bruno) gave Scott more points than Matt. Both of them are in any case safe from being in the bottom two given their public support - so, as Matt was above Scott on the leader board, what's the problem? Matt was never in danger. This isn't the first time in SCD history that the judges have scored erratically. And at least this wasn't a long-term set-up job that cost one of the series' best dancers their place in the competition, as we have seen in the past (exhibit A: Snowdonia). This hysteria is a storm in a teacup and any fan of Matt's 'incensed' about it should get wise and start worrying about the prospect of Ann reaching the final - because that's much more of a threat to their favourite than any overmarking on the judges' part. |
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Matt DA did not give up - he blanked and couldn't salvage it and he came back the next week and did better - as a Matt DA fan it annoys me when people imply that he just couldn't be bothered and he could have done something about it. Yes Len and Bruno chronically over-marked him because they were being kind but they did so in the knowledge he would be bottom of the leaderboard no matter what mark they gave - it's still wrong but it had less effect. Yes Matt DA messed up worse than Scott but it's the same shame of someone good having a bad night - although with Scott what is concerning is the problem is more endemic - unless Scott's shooting schedule eases up he could have the same problem next week. However hard it is to do the judges' (and I understand how it could be to mark down a really good dancer and leave him to the mercy of a public which votes back Widdy in every week) should mark what's in front of them - it's up to the public to save people out of sympathy.
I only raised it as an example as Len (and Bruno - thank you for reminding me) being kind to a celeb who forgot his routine.Totally agree wth you re Scott's EE schedule and Moira Ross should have been on the phone to Bryan Kirkwood yesterday to try and sort it out. It's not in SCD8's interests to lose one of its best celeb contestants. |
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I hope I am not accused of Alesha-bashing, but I think the main problem is she is not articulate enough to defend her judging decisions. I think she also lacks articulacy in her feedback to the contestants/dancers, whether they be good or bad. She also lacks the histrionics of Bruno (therefore adding less comedy/drama) and as she is mostly giving the same scores as him I find her role a bit superfluous. And seldom does she say anything witty which can add to the entertainment value to the show. Without sounding horrible, I think the production team should see how she does at the more backstage type of work like Karen Hardy (although Hardy does have technical expertise to contribute), but I think they would not want to lose face over having selected Alesha as a judge for the show in the first place.
And I don't know whether it is to do with social or professional backgrounds, but I definitely feel that Alesha (and to some extent Len) 'click' much more easily with Scott and Kara than say other contestants like Matt and Felicity, which seems to be conducive to the awarding of higher marks irrespective of technical issues in the performance. This is not to say Scott and Kara don't deserve their high marks, but they should given based on the performances on the night. |
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Apologies if I chose the wrong words that upset you re Matt DA - not my intention.
I only raised it as an example as Len (and Bruno - thank you for reminding me) being kind to a celeb who forgot his routine.Totally agree wth you re Scott's EE schedule and Moira Ross should have been on the phone to Bryan Kirkwood yesterday to try and sort it out. It's not in SCD8's interests to lose one of its best celeb contestants. I agree totally on Scott's EE schedule although perhaps it might not be easy to change in time they should try at least - it's filmed months ahead so perhaps they could fudge something that gives him a break for a month. Re-schedule some of his scenes or something. |
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I think that Alesha hit the nail on the head on ITT last night when she said that it's the come down after the Blackpool show. It was fairly evident that the slebs had lost their sparkle, it was all the pros could do to keep some of them awake. Actually, the pros weren't much better, I've yet to see a decent pro dance on this series yet, they're old fashioned and lacklustre and the costumes are pretty dire; I think at this stage in the competition the odd mis-marking is the least of the shows problems !
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Well the best thing that can come out of it is that maybe it will make her more careful in future.
If I were Craig, I'd be quite cross that she was effectively trying to control his score as well as her own. Talk about over-confidence! |
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Well the best thing that can come out of it is that maybe it will make her more careful in future.
If I were Craig, I'd be quite cross that she was effectively trying to control his score as well as her own. Talk about over-confidence! |
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Well the best thing that can come out of it is that maybe it will make her more careful in future.
If I were Craig, I'd be quite cross that she was effectively trying to control his score as well as her own. Talk about over-confidence! |
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