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A problem for Strictly 2011
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Ceroc-ker
29-11-2010
On the Chris Evans Breakfast Show this morning was an interesting exchange between Chris, Jonny (Sport) and Moira (News). An interesting point was made:



Next year the BBC will be approaching various celebs, can you imagine the conversation?



BBC: “Please give up a few months of your life, work ‘til you’re dead on your feet and be scored every week by one person who is firm but fair, and three people who are completely inconsistent. Oh, and by the way, we’ve also asked someone to compete who won’t try anywhere near as hard as you, will treat it as a joke, be rude and arrogant and probably beat you – not that you should feel humiliated by that, because it’s all in the name of entertainment. Now, do you want to sign up?”



Celeb (thinks for a nano second): “Err, no, that’s okay. I’ll pass.”
Shinyteapot
29-11-2010
BBC: Look how much we'll pay you to do it

Celeb: Oh okay then
jinx2
29-11-2010
Celebrities have been saying "Yes" ever since Christopher Parker and they will be saying yes long after Ann.
StevieBlunder
29-11-2010
Of course they'll do it.

It's fun, raises their profile and pays well.
boddism
29-11-2010
Originally Posted by Shinyteapot:
“BBC: Look how much we'll pay you to do it

Celeb: Oh okay then”

You ust be kidding??!! I thought the money wasnt THAT good??
sparky2010
29-11-2010
Originally Posted by jinx2:
“Celebrities have been saying "Yes" ever since Christopher Parker and they will be saying yes long after Ann.”

Quite right and the situation with Ann proves nothing.
1 If they are in it for the money they won't care as they will be out sooner and get the cash and free to do other things.(I wonder if John Sargeant still got paid even though he 'quit')
2. If they are in it for the dancing and are good, they can still progress to the end of the run even if there is an Ann or John type team. For example Matt will continue on Judges votes alone even if he got no phone votes.
3. The situation with Patsy being moody proves nothing. She knew the rules and way the public votes combine with the judges vote. The snub would have been water off a ducks back to Ann.
4. The public gets what the public wants. If they didn't want Ann in the show, they wouldn't vote for her!
5. As I've said elsewhere this isn't a serious dancing competition! To borrow a phrase, its full of washed up celebs who want the publicity + the fee and don't want to eat bugs in the jungle or can't iceskate. Do we care or remember who was in the show two years ago, other than John Sargeant

Everyone who is protesting against Ann should ask the BBC to run a contest for amateur professional dancers with hosts who don't crack jokes(brucie!) which is how the show used to be run. I would take that show seriously and vote for the best dancers.
ilovesooty
29-11-2010
Yes, I remember/know/care who was in the show two years ago other than JS.
Dorabella14
29-11-2010
Originally Posted by jinx2:
“Celebrities have been saying "Yes" ever since Christopher Parker and they will be saying yes long after Ann.”

Yes and an awful lot of them say No and boast about this afterwards.

So far for next year I only know of Peter Andre and Barbara Windsor who would say yes.
But if you put in a Giddy Widdy mark II, just see how fast Barbara would pull out!!!
jake lyle
29-11-2010
Some people are so Naive on this thread its hilarious. Of course they'll do it, most need the publicity or need wider exposure to advance in their careers.
jake lyle
29-11-2010
Originally Posted by Dorabella14:
“Yes and an awful lot of them say No and boast about this afterwards.

So far for next year I only know of Peter Andre and Barbara Windsor who would say yes.
But if you put in a Giddy Widdy mark II, just see how fast Barbara would pull out!!!”

Or maybe Barbara won't take it as seriously as you and some of the forumites do.
ExVernonJohnson
29-11-2010
Originally Posted by Dorabella14:
“Yes and an awful lot of them say No and boast about this afterwards.

So far for next year I only know of Peter Andre and Barbara Windsor who would say yes.
But if you put in a Giddy Widdy mark II, just see how fast Barbara would pull out!!!”

i think babs could be next year'sWiddy
dancingbearbear
29-11-2010
Originally Posted by Dorabella14:
“Yes and an awful lot of them say No and boast about this afterwards.

So far for next year I only know of Peter Andre and Barbara Windsor who would say yes.
But if you put in a Giddy Widdy mark II, just see how fast Barbara would pull out!!!”

I don't understand this comment

How can you possibly know what decision may be made in the future by any of the hundreds of as yet unspecified celebs / zelebs the BBC may choose to approach regarding appearing in a future series?
Dorabella14
29-11-2010
Originally Posted by jake lyle:
“Or maybe Barbara won't take it as seriously as you and some of the forumites do.”

I think she's a professional through and through and, like Felicity, would see SCD as a job to do. So she wouldn't muck it up deliberately. She's be more like Gloria Hunniford who competed with Darren some years ago.
Dorabella14
29-11-2010
Originally Posted by dancingbearbear:
“I don't understand this comment

How can you possibly know what decision may be made in the future by any of the hundreds of as yet unspecified celebs / zelebs the BBC may choose to approach regarding appearing in a future series?”

Peter went on record saying that he would have loved to have done Strictly this year, but the BBC approached him too late and he couldn't change his fixed schedule.

Barbara has stated in an interview (and has dropped massive hints in ITT in recent years) that she would love to do Strictly; But our Babs is no giddy Widdy - she's a thorough professional, and would bring in some Queen Vic discipline - I wonder if face slaps are permitted in ballroom?
Pentax20
29-11-2010
I don't think that any celeb looking to further their career would want to be remembered as having lost to A2 in a dance contest......
number six
29-11-2010
I would imagine that they are already thinking about Contestants for next year, so that they can try and sign them before the take on other work. Alan Titchmarsh says he gets approached every year but he can't spare the time, maybe just as well as he might be the male equivelent of AW and would get the cuddly vote from the Nations housewives and members of the WI
Dorabella14
29-11-2010
http://entertainment.stv.tv/tv/21268...dancing-dream/


so she's professional enough to say - 'I'll be in Strictly Grannies'
thenetworkbabe
29-11-2010
Originally Posted by Shinyteapot:
“BBC: Look how much we'll pay you to do it

Celeb: Oh okay then”

The BBC pay isn't high enough to compete though. Panto would pay many more and there's an overlap in time so it should be a choice of one or the other. Its also the case that you have to do well on the show to get noticed for anything else, and the negative voting bock and lack of dance off means that you can now do the work, do well and still go early. Its even worse now they have introduced stay related pay as you can't rely on getting more for working harder.

Its showing this series already. Ann is there on some post career psychological urge , at least three people tried to do it doing their day jobs at the same time, another couple, at least, had new jobs starting before the show ended and the celebs have become older and several are past retirement age. Its hard enough getting people who might be able to dance well already and they are making their potential pool of dancers smaller and smaller and increasingly suffering from people doing the show part time. At the same time . they are making the show more attractive for the clowns, the people who want to do panto without having to work as hard and the non triers.
dancingbearbear
30-11-2010
Originally Posted by Dorabella14:
“Peter went on record saying that he would have loved to have done Strictly this year, but the BBC approached him too late and he couldn't change his fixed schedule.

Barbara has stated in an interview (and has dropped massive hints in ITT in recent years) that she would love to do Strictly; But our Babs is no giddy Widdy - she's a thorough professional, and would bring in some Queen Vic discipline - I wonder if face slaps are permitted in ballroom?”

Yes, but my point is you can't know how many other people have been approached by the BBC and have given a yay or nay. PW & BA may be the only two 'celebs' who have spoken publicly about their negotiations, but surely you don't know how many celebs are out there champing at the bit to take part. To suggest that PA & BW are the only two 'who would say yes' implies that you know that the BBC have been turned down by every single other person they have considered for next year.

That's what confused me ~ the way your comment was phrased made me wonder for a moment if you worked in production at the BB and had insider knowledge that only two people of those approached would say yes and every single other candidate had said no.
mindyann
30-11-2010
Originally Posted by Pentax20:
“I don't think that any celeb looking to further their career would want to be remembered as having lost to A2 in a dance contest......”

Ah, but they could dine out (possibly at after dinner speaking events and for a mutually agreeable fee ) for a couple of years or so on being the 'good dancer wot woz robbed by the entertainment factor'
Doug P
30-11-2010
Nobody is going to lose out by being eliminated before Ann. Strictly will be fine for volunteers,,,,,
Gill P
30-11-2010
Originally Posted by mindyann:
“Ah, but they could dine out (possibly at after dinner speaking events and for a mutually agreeable fee ) for a couple of years or so on being the 'good dancer wot woz robbed by the entertainment factor' ”

But I haven't seen any entertainment coming from AW. Anton is trying his best but it is falling completely flat. It is only the props which made the Titanic routine faintly interesting.
katmobile
30-11-2010
Originally Posted by Shinyteapot:
“BBC: Look how much we'll pay you to do it

Celeb: Oh okay then”

And all the free publicity you'll get with if you're any good the possiblity of doing a West End show.

Yes I think that Widdy's surivival is a travesty and have everything possibly crossed we won't win but winning isn't everything on SCD.
80sQueen
30-11-2010
It's got McKeith written all over it!!!
number six
30-11-2010
Originally Posted by 80sQueen:
“It's got McKeith written all over it!!!”

paired with Brendan
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