I've went right off liz after that last scene tonight. There was no need to talk to Stella like that in front of everyone. And her "Laura will be missed" comment was childish - not to mention confusing since she was the one who chose Laura to come back into the boardroom!
Liz is a bit bitchy isn't she?
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Liz badly managed the task, she didn't focus on the market rate for any product or tell them what price cut they should be looking for.
Jamie for all his faults did that, by suggesting 70% he was going for cost prices.
Jamie for all his faults did that, by suggesting 70% he was going for cost prices.
Finally a bit of fight in Liz - and I'm loving it 
Affirmed her position as my favourite to win after that.
Affirmed her position as my favourite to win after that.
I can't believe people are getting so upset about this. I think it's the best bitch fight in apprentice history and I for one am looking forward to the frostiness between the two on subsequent episodes. Given the strength of both candidates I expect this to last a while. Best thing to happen in Apprentice history in my opinion. So often people bitch and then pretend as if nothing has happened but call each other behind their backs. This time there's no hiding the grudge.
I liked Liz right up until she came back to the house. What a bitch - I have gone right off her. Stella to win out of the girls!!
Originally Posted by LadyMinerva:
“ I don't think Stella lied in the boardroom. Liz wasn't a great manager...bourne out by a) the fact they lost, and b) the fact the the main reason for their loss was the lack of focus on price...and let's face it, the task was about buying...not nec the whole list, but for the cheapest price. In my opinion that comes down to poor strategy, which was liz's responsibility as pm.”
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I don't think Stella lied in the boardroom. Liz wasn't a great manager...bourne out by a) the fact they lost, and b) the fact the the main reason for their loss was the lack of focus on price...and let's face it, the task was about buying...not nec the whole list, but for the cheapest price. In my opinion that comes down to poor strategy, which was liz's responsibility as pm.”
They lost on negotiating, something Laura at least tried to do yet Stella found rude and embarrassing.
It wasn't about building up repeat custom or making friends which is what Stella seemed to want to do.
She rolled her eyes when Laura suggest they get out of Kensington then acted smug when her phonecall (to reservations lol) was connected.
Had Stella not got the pricing so wrong for the Truffles and been a bit more open to negotiation they could have easily saved £70.
Stella made the most mistakes so resorted to trying (and failing) to pick faults in someone else and rightfully Liz took issue with it.
That kind of thing in the boardroom is the sort of thing which could come back in a week or two in the boardroom "Evidence that you can't lead people" and cost Liz her place in the show, so she has every right to be angry and say her piece.
Originally Posted by rivercity_rules:
“Yes thanks, since season 1 I've watched the show, and every week they big themselves up and play down their mistakes and pass the blame. They do not tend to make things up, as Stella did to cover her own arse because she knew she was responsible for the loss. She rolled her eyes as Laura pleaded to get out of kensington, she completely caved in the tartan shop and she knew it. She couldn't attack Laura because Laura was with her all day and knew those faults were down to Stella, so she made up something about Liz being crap.
Usually they understand the badmouthing is all part of the game, but clearly Stella is doing everything to rub the others up the wrong way, and Liz stood up to her for it, unlike the others bitching behind Stella's back.
Stella couldn't properly defend herself which was proof enough she lied.”
“Yes thanks, since season 1 I've watched the show, and every week they big themselves up and play down their mistakes and pass the blame. They do not tend to make things up, as Stella did to cover her own arse because she knew she was responsible for the loss. She rolled her eyes as Laura pleaded to get out of kensington, she completely caved in the tartan shop and she knew it. She couldn't attack Laura because Laura was with her all day and knew those faults were down to Stella, so she made up something about Liz being crap.
Usually they understand the badmouthing is all part of the game, but clearly Stella is doing everything to rub the others up the wrong way, and Liz stood up to her for it, unlike the others bitching behind Stella's back.
Stella couldn't properly defend herself which was proof enough she lied.”
Are you a member of Liz's family or something! You keep accusing Stella of making up 'lies' but what she gave is an OPINION. Her opinion was Liz did not manage the task well. You could accuse her of clutching at straws, having a false opinion, etc, but 'lies'. Considering how Liz and Laura were just ganging up on Stella right through the boardroom, I thought she was relatively quite nice to them actually.
Always been a fan of Liz and Stella but on Team Stella after tonight.
The comments and looks from Liz were totally unecessary. People usually leave the boardroom and what has been said in there and move on.
The comments and looks from Liz were totally unecessary. People usually leave the boardroom and what has been said in there and move on.
Liz needs to stop taking everything so personally and realise that it's a competition for a job which they all crave. When it's your turn to be in the boardroom your fighting for your life and will use any negative aspect however big or small to score points against those in there with you. Its no place to get offended and hold grudges but a place to come out strong and show you deserve to be there despite the mistakes you made. Personally I think Liz came across so bitchy because she feels insecure and slightly inferior to Stella and sees her as her main competitor for the job. She'd have not cared one bit about what Stella said had she been fired over Laura.
Originally Posted by rivercity_rules:
“They lost on negotiating, something Laura at least tried to do yet Stella found rude and embarrassing.
It wasn't about building up repeat custom or making friends which is what Stella seemed to want to do.
She rolled her eyes when Laura suggest they get out of Kensington then acted smug when her phonecall (to reservations lol) was connected.
Had Stella not got the pricing so wrong for the Truffles and been a bit more open to negotiation they could have easily saved £70.
Stella made the most mistakes so resorted to trying (and failing) to pick faults in someone else and rightfully Liz took issue with it.
That kind of thing in the boardroom is the sort of thing which could come back in a week or two in the boardroom "Evidence that you can't lead people" and cost Liz her place in the show, so she has every right to be angry and say her piece.”
“They lost on negotiating, something Laura at least tried to do yet Stella found rude and embarrassing.
It wasn't about building up repeat custom or making friends which is what Stella seemed to want to do.
She rolled her eyes when Laura suggest they get out of Kensington then acted smug when her phonecall (to reservations lol) was connected.
Had Stella not got the pricing so wrong for the Truffles and been a bit more open to negotiation they could have easily saved £70.
Stella made the most mistakes so resorted to trying (and failing) to pick faults in someone else and rightfully Liz took issue with it.
That kind of thing in the boardroom is the sort of thing which could come back in a week or two in the boardroom "Evidence that you can't lead people" and cost Liz her place in the show, so she has every right to be angry and say her piece.”
Liz was rubbish at negotiating as well.
Liz didn't lead she just sent them out with no direction of what they should offer other than a bit less than they were asking.
Its obvious really. If Stella had gone then Liz has got arguably the closest rival out of the way, whereas now the weakest of the girls and arguably the boys (Bragg aside) has now gone.
She wasn't being bitchy , she was having a huge girl-sulk!!
She wasn't being bitchy , she was having a huge girl-sulk!!
Originally Posted by Jeromeboi22:
“Finally a bit of fight in Liz - and I'm loving it
Affirmed her position as my favourite to win after that.”
“Finally a bit of fight in Liz - and I'm loving it
Affirmed her position as my favourite to win after that.”
I'm the opposite, she's gone down in my estimation because one of the things I really liked about her was that she seemed one of the most professional and least likely to bitch and backstab. Disappointing.
What happens in the baordroom should stay in the boardroom.
Liz showing her true colours there - she's been all nicey nice up til now, but she's got an ugly side.
They were all gunning for Stella. They clearly see her as a major threat. I hope she wins now.
Liz showing her true colours there - she's been all nicey nice up til now, but she's got an ugly side.
They were all gunning for Stella. They clearly see her as a major threat. I hope she wins now.
Originally Posted by parthy:
“I'm the opposite, she's gone down in my estimation because one of the things I really liked about her was that she seemed one of the most professional and least likely to bitch and backstab. Disappointing.”
“I'm the opposite, she's gone down in my estimation because one of the things I really liked about her was that she seemed one of the most professional and least likely to bitch and backstab. Disappointing.”
But it wasn't backstabbing was it?
The complete opposite in fact. Say it how it is and to their face
I would've disliked her if she did it behind Stella's back though.
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“What happens in the baordroom should stay in the boardroom.
Liz showing her true colours there - she's been all nicey nice up til now, but she's got an ugly side.
They were all gunning for Stella. They clearly see her as a major threat. I hope she wins now.”
“What happens in the baordroom should stay in the boardroom.
Liz showing her true colours there - she's been all nicey nice up til now, but she's got an ugly side.
They were all gunning for Stella. They clearly see her as a major threat. I hope she wins now.”
Absolutely!
Originally Posted by rivercity_rules:
“They lost on negotiating, something Laura at least tried to do yet Stella found rude and embarrassing. .”
“They lost on negotiating, something Laura at least tried to do yet Stella found rude and embarrassing. .”
Liz wasn't much better at the negotiating.
She spent almost twice as much as she should have on the sewing machine, for example.
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“Liz wasn't much better at the negotiating.
She spent almost twice as much as she should have on the sewing machine, for example.”
“Liz wasn't much better at the negotiating.
She spent almost twice as much as she should have on the sewing machine, for example.”
and still ended up paying nearly double the boys paid
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“What happens in the baordroom should stay in the boardroom.
Liz showing her true colours there - she's been all nicey nice up til now, but she's got an ugly side.
They were all gunning for Stella. They clearly see her as a major threat. I hope she wins now.”
“What happens in the baordroom should stay in the boardroom.
Liz showing her true colours there - she's been all nicey nice up til now, but she's got an ugly side.
They were all gunning for Stella. They clearly see her as a major threat. I hope she wins now.”
Totally agree Sid!
My opinion of Liz went up because of that. She was totally right that Stella exaggerated to try and save herself. I found Stella more bitchy personally.
She was totally right that Stella exaggerated to try and save herself. I found Stella more bitchy personally.
Originally Posted by Jeromeboi22:
“But it wasn't backstabbing was it?
The complete opposite in fact. Say it how it is and to their face
I would've disliked her if she did it behind Stella's back though.”
“But it wasn't backstabbing was it?
The complete opposite in fact. Say it how it is and to their face
I would've disliked her if she did it behind Stella's back though.”
Fair enough, but it was bitchy.
Originally Posted by LadyMinerva:
“Absolutely!”
“Absolutely!”
Originally Posted by drbolognaise:
“Totally agree Sid!”
“Totally agree Sid!”
High 5 ladies!
Originally Posted by Ethereal:
“My opinion of Liz went up because of that. She was totally right that Stella exaggerated to try and save herself. I found Stella more bitchy personally.”
“My opinion of Liz went up because of that.
She was totally right that Stella exaggerated to try and save herself. I found Stella more bitchy personally.”
Exaggeration in the boardroom? Never!
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