Nothing in the last episode was as funny as Liz trying not to say she'll "take it onboard" again in the boardroom. It was almost as if her mouth was moving in slow motion.
Funniest moment of tonight's episode
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Originally Posted by evil dipsy:
“Nothing in the last episode was as funny as Liz trying not to say she'll "take it onboard" again in the boardroom. It was almost as if her mouth was moving in slow motion.”
“Nothing in the last episode was as funny as Liz trying not to say she'll "take it onboard" again in the boardroom. It was almost as if her mouth was moving in slow motion.”
Oh yes! That was hysterical.
Originally Posted by Jepson:
“Perhaps having the film crews arrive and set up gives them a clue.
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“Perhaps having the film crews arrive and set up gives them a clue.
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You can see that some of them are up, and some remain in bed. They are still in bed when whoever answers the phone rousts them.
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“Yes, because, of course, they are going to risk that happening and delaying everything rather than doing the obvious in a filmed production and telling someone it's their turn to answer the phone and to get ready for a cue.”
“Yes, because, of course, they are going to risk that happening and delaying everything rather than doing the obvious in a filmed production and telling someone it's their turn to answer the phone and to get ready for a cue.”
They allow for some slippage in the schedule. Frankly, if it takes an extra 5 minutes because no-one answers the phone straight away and the crew have to wake them up, it's small beer. If you think it really only takes those women 30 minutes to prepare themselves for the camera, you're the naive one.
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“Why do you persist in believing that that they are going to trust to happenstance in a filmed scenario when we already know that they cheat and (for example) film all the 'fired candidate leaving' shots in one go. (Which is why they all look as if they have been fired on the coldest day of the decade
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“Why do you persist in believing that that they are going to trust to happenstance in a filmed scenario when we already know that they cheat and (for example) film all the 'fired candidate leaving' shots in one go. (Which is why they all look as if they have been fired on the coldest day of the decade
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Partly because it's easier. There's need for the camera crew to pick who answers the phone. Partly because, in a reality show, seeing who gets up first is part of the fun. If it doesn't go smoothly, that's just more drama for the show.
Originally Posted by Shappy:
“The funniest moment was when Jamie said "Hi, I'm Jamie" and the old guy replied, "I'm Jamie." It was obviously a nervous mistake, and then Jamie went, "You're Jamie too?" And the guy had to admit he wasn't!
It's like once when I said happy birthday to someone, and they said happy birthday back! Then got embarrased.”
“The funniest moment was when Jamie said "Hi, I'm Jamie" and the old guy replied, "I'm Jamie." It was obviously a nervous mistake, and then Jamie went, "You're Jamie too?" And the guy had to admit he wasn't!
It's like once when I said happy birthday to someone, and they said happy birthday back! Then got embarrased.”
LOL I thought I heard that. What made me laugh was just how completely pointless that moment was.
Jamie was thinking he'd found a great conversation starter to kick off his sweet-talking but then had to gloss over the awkwardness of it.
Wasn't the old guy called Cyril or something, he really didn't look like a Jamie I have to say.
Originally Posted by brangdon:
“You can see that some of them are up, and some remain in bed. They are still in bed when whoever answers the phone rousts them.”
“You can see that some of them are up, and some remain in bed. They are still in bed when whoever answers the phone rousts them.”
Right.
There's no way that any of that could be staged for the camera.
You've got people moving about the house and a full camera crew operating outside (and inside - Jamie was shown when the phone rang) the bedroom from which one person has already emerged and the camera focuses on someone who seems bewildered that that they've been woken up.
Do me a favour!
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“They allow for some slippage in the schedule. Frankly, if it takes an extra 5 minutes because no-one answers the phone straight away and the crew have to wake them up, it's small beer. If you think it really only takes those women 30 minutes to prepare themselves for the camera, you're the naive one.”
“They allow for some slippage in the schedule. Frankly, if it takes an extra 5 minutes because no-one answers the phone straight away and the crew have to wake them up, it's small beer. If you think it really only takes those women 30 minutes to prepare themselves for the camera, you're the naive one.”
You are rather making my point for me.
If they lie to us about the amount of time they have to get ready, why do you insist no believing that there is this one sacrosanct piece of reality?
In the real world - if it was truly; 'as it happens' you would find that there were one or two 'early morning' people who would always be answering the phone because they are already firing on all cylinders whilst the rest were still groggy.
The fact that the answering duties are spread over all the candidates is a dead give away that it's not unstaged.
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“There's need for the camera crew to pick who answers the phone.”
“There's need for the camera crew to pick who answers the phone.”
I expect it would be the director rather than the crew. It's not necessarily that someone tells them - they may well decide amongst themselves.
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“Partly because, in a reality show, seeing who gets up first is part of the fun. If it doesn't go smoothly, that's just more drama for the show.”
“Partly because, in a reality show, seeing who gets up first is part of the fun. If it doesn't go smoothly, that's just more drama for the show.”
Sometimes it's just a little bit too smooth!
This week, for example, Stella was apparently up and washing her hair and yet choose to interrupt that task and go and answer the phone whilst Jamie, who was clearly shown awake (but, bizarrely, seemed puzzled that anyone was phoning) lay in bed.
Originally Posted by brangdon:
“If you think it really only takes those women 30 minutes to prepare themselves for the camera, you're the naive one.”
“If you think it really only takes those women 30 minutes to prepare themselves for the camera, you're the naive one.”
It is not possible for 8 women to get up, have a shower (in what I assumed are shared bathrooms and not one per person), dry their hair, straighten it, dress, apply professional style make-up and then be out of the house in half an hour. Just not possible. Maybe for one woman in her own house with full access to one bathroom and her own bedroom - but in shared conditions - no way!
Originally Posted by Shappy:
“It is not possible for 8 women to get up, have a shower (in what I assumed are shared bathrooms and not one per person), dry their hair, straighten it, dress, apply professional style make-up and then be out of the house in half an hour. Just not possible. Maybe for one woman in her own house with full access to one bathroom and her own bedroom - but in shared conditions - no way!”
“It is not possible for 8 women to get up, have a shower (in what I assumed are shared bathrooms and not one per person), dry their hair, straighten it, dress, apply professional style make-up and then be out of the house in half an hour. Just not possible. Maybe for one woman in her own house with full access to one bathroom and her own bedroom - but in shared conditions - no way!”
Exactly.
The whole house would be more like a film set than a residence.
Which makes it all the more bizarre that some people think that in the midst of all this organisation the one thing that is random is who answers the phone!
Stella's mistake in forgetting to answer the (almost certainly silent) phone is another indication that this is all staged.
Surely the best bit was the look on the Girls Faces when the heard the lads only had 5 items, they were sure (as were we all) they had won,
...,then the look when the were told theyd lost.
Which made for good viewing, but made a mockery of the competition, as you could have won with no items
...,then the look when the were told theyd lost.
Which made for good viewing, but made a mockery of the competition, as you could have won with no items
Originally Posted by Jepson:
“There's no way that any of that could be staged for the camera.”
“There's no way that any of that could be staged for the camera.”
It could be, but doesn't need to be. You seem to be suggesting they get out of bed at 4 am, get dressed, then decide who will answer the phone, then the others get back into bed so they can act all sleepy when the phone rings at 5am. It's not credible.
Nor is it necessary. The phone gets answered by whoever gets to it first. There's no need to fake it and no value in doing so.
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“If they lie to us about the amount of time they have to get ready, why do you insist no believing that there is this one sacrosanct piece of reality?”
“If they lie to us about the amount of time they have to get ready, why do you insist no believing that there is this one sacrosanct piece of reality?”
I've already answered that. Because it's simpler and more plausible.
What bothers me is the people who suppose that because one element is contrived for the convenience of filming, everything must be. It's misapplied cynicism.
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“In the real world - if it was truly; 'as it happens' you would find that there were one or two 'early morning' people who would always be answering the phone because they are already firing on all cylinders whilst the rest were still groggy.”
“In the real world - if it was truly; 'as it happens' you would find that there were one or two 'early morning' people who would always be answering the phone because they are already firing on all cylinders whilst the rest were still groggy.”
Some years that happens.
Originally Posted by brangdon:
“It could be, but doesn't need to be. You seem to be suggesting they get out of bed at 4 am, get dressed, then decide who will answer the phone, then the others get back into bed so they can act all sleepy when the phone rings at 5am. It's not credible.
Nor is it necessary. The phone gets answered by whoever gets to it first. There's no need to fake it and no value in doing so.
I've already answered that. Because it's simpler and more plausible.”
“It could be, but doesn't need to be. You seem to be suggesting they get out of bed at 4 am, get dressed, then decide who will answer the phone, then the others get back into bed so they can act all sleepy when the phone rings at 5am. It's not credible.
Nor is it necessary. The phone gets answered by whoever gets to it first. There's no need to fake it and no value in doing so.
I've already answered that. Because it's simpler and more plausible.”
OK, so what you're basically saying is that you have a house that will be something like a very cramped film set with camera, lighting and sound all setting up in normal domestic corridors and, together with the director and other supernumeraries blocking the landings and trying not to get in each other's and the candidate's ways.
And in amongst this barely controlled mayhem a phone rings (actually, it probably doesn't even do that), and one random person decides to pick their way to said phone and pretend to take a call?
Believe that if you wish but I'm going with Occam's razor. If you have a completely set up environment it's far simpler to believe that the person who answers the call is predetermined waiting just off shot and not someone who will have to negotiate all the paraphernalia of the film crews and their bodies to get to the phone.
It also explains why the phone answering duties are rarely (if ever) clustered around the same 'early birds' as they definitely would be if things were left to chance.
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“What bothers me is the people who suppose that because one element is contrived for the convenience of filming, everything must be. It's misapplied cynicism.”
“What bothers me is the people who suppose that because one element is contrived for the convenience of filming, everything must be. It's misapplied cynicism.”
Except that, for the reasons outlined above, it isn't misapplied.
It's not even a major, important, or particularly dishonest deception. Just something that would make sense in the environment in which they are operating.
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