..and what exactly would you have said? I thought it was a curtious and polite way to deal with an old man kissing your hand. Perhaps you'd have rather she recoiled in horror or yanked her hand back shouting eeuurgh! I work with the elderly and react much the same way Liz did when the old ladies flirt with me. It's by far the most pleasant way to avoid an awkward situation.
Liz has blown it
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^^^I don't see anything wrong with what she said or did either, LOL. It was probably quite awkward - and certainly unexpected - so she had to handle it the best way she could.
If only we were shown the shot of her wiping the spit off her hand on the street outside going "ewww, that was gross" 
Originally Posted by evil dipsy:
“..and what exactly would you have said? I thought it was a curtious and polite way to deal with an old man kissing your hand. Perhaps you'd have rather she recoiled in horror or yanked her hand back shouting eeuurgh! I work with the elderly and react much the same way Liz did when the old ladies flirt with me. It's by far the most pleasant way to avoid an awkward situation.”
“..and what exactly would you have said? I thought it was a curtious and polite way to deal with an old man kissing your hand. Perhaps you'd have rather she recoiled in horror or yanked her hand back shouting eeuurgh! I work with the elderly and react much the same way Liz did when the old ladies flirt with me. It's by far the most pleasant way to avoid an awkward situation.”
It was OTT. I would have just laughed (in a nice way). I found it cringeworthy. What else would you like me to say?
Even though I'm deeply suspicious of editing, it does seem that Liz has popular girl syndrome. How dare anyone criticise her! She's perfect!
Originally Posted by Mister Maganese:
“Even though I'm deeply suspicious of editing, it does seem that Liz has popular girl syndrome. How dare anyone criticise her! She's perfect!”
“Even though I'm deeply suspicious of editing, it does seem that Liz has popular girl syndrome. How dare anyone criticise her! She's perfect!”
I've accepted long ago that these shows are edited and have made my peace with it. Agree with what you said about Liz. I knew girls like her in school. I'm sure we ALL did.
No they shouldnt have negotiated together. Even in a subteam one has to be declared as the leader. It is possible they thought they couldnt get it elsewhere. But what were they phoning around all morning about. Since truffles is a dear article that would be the first thing to phone about. Liz should have warned them on the phone not to pay over £100, or at least to say only phone back if its over £100. She did not do her duty as PM. If I was PM and my job on the line, I would ask to be phoned over every article and would trust no one. It also helps the negotiation if the trader thinks that you have to ask a higher authority before you buy. He realises you may go without (which never seems to happen) and will go down accordingly.
Originally Posted by Sweet FA:
“But Stella said she couldn't get through as opposed to lack of signals. Also you could tell she wasn't happy about notifying her by the objections she raised inially thus I'd be willing to bet she didn't bother trying.
And in any case what was she thinking buying truffles from an end user, i.e. a restaurant?
Even the normally useless Laura knew this was a stupid idea.”
“But Stella said she couldn't get through as opposed to lack of signals. Also you could tell she wasn't happy about notifying her by the objections she raised inially thus I'd be willing to bet she didn't bother trying.
And in any case what was she thinking buying truffles from an end user, i.e. a restaurant?
Even the normally useless Laura knew this was a stupid idea.”
I don't know why everyone is blaming Stella for trufflegate.
If you look at the clip it was Laura who started the price at £200 - and then - it was Laura who grabbed the guys hand and shook on it as quickly as possible.
Even if Stella wanted to object to the price it was too late.
Originally Posted by meglosmurmurs:
“Think someone needs to tell Liz this then.
Girl thought she was as safe as houses until Stella soiled her good name, then the claws came out.”
“Think someone needs to tell Liz this then.
Girl thought she was as safe as houses until Stella soiled her good name, then the claws came out.”
Liz had already come in for criticism in the boardroom on the DVD task. She knew she was at risk here too, especially as she was PM.
As some of the other candidates said, if anyone was complacent, it was Stella. Stella had 2 wins as PM and had never been in the boardroom to that day. It was the first time Liz, or anyone, had seen how she coped with that pressure. Obviously Liz wasn't impressed.
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“Clearly she's feeling vulnerable now, and if that's how she responds to criticism then she's going to have a hard time working with Lord Sugar.
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“Clearly she's feeling vulnerable now, and if that's how she responds to criticism then she's going to have a hard time working with Lord Sugar.
”
A key point is whether Stella believed her criticisms of Liz, or whether she was jumping on Lord Sugar's bandwagon to save her own bacon. Liz believed the latter. In other words, it wasn't the criticism Liz minded so much as their dishonest and mendacious nature. Where-as the criticisms made of Stella were sincere and deserved.
I don't know whether Liz was justified in this; ie, whether Stella did sincerely think Liz was a poor manager. I'm sort-of biased because I think Liz was a good manager here, but Stella might have disagreed. Interesting that her first response to Liz was not, "But you were a bad manager", but "We all had a go at each other", as if the boardroom context justified anything she'd said. But then later she did claim it was a difference of opinion. There's no way to tell.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“Liz's problem is that, like Kate, she doesn't have enough PM wins and she has had more chances than Kate.”
“Liz's problem is that, like Kate, she doesn't have enough PM wins and she has had more chances than Kate.”
Liz has one win and one loss. That's the same as two other winners, Simon and Michelle. Another winner, Tim, had a single win and no loss as PM.
Stella has 2 wins, but at least one of them was very poor. I don't think it gives her much advantage. Joanna has an interesting trajectory. 1 PM win, then a boardroom where she was told to be less aggressive, then a big improvement and no boardrooms since, as if she'd learned from Lord Sugar's advise. If she performs well as PM next task, she ought to have it in the bag on that record.
Originally Posted by evil dipsy:
“This is a frequent problem for PM's. They elect to spend time with their mates, in Liz's case, Joanne,”
“This is a frequent problem for PM's. They elect to spend time with their mates, in Liz's case, Joanne,”
Although it sounded like Laura was also her mate. I know some of what she said after was just to get at Stella, but I think some of it was sincere. She hadn't wanted to lose Laura. She may have assessed Laura higher than we do. Laura is right about a lot of stuff; for example on this occasion she was right about not buying the truffles from the most expensive resturant in the city.
Liz may have rated Stella highly, too, going in: her record is good, 2 wins as PM and never blamed for a loss.
Originally Posted by brangdon:
“Liz has one win and one loss. That's the same as two other winners, Simon and Michelle. Another winner, Tim, had a single win and no loss as PM.
Stella has 2 wins, but at least one of them was very poor. I don't think it gives her much advantage. Joanna has an interesting trajectory. 1 PM win, then a boardroom where she was told to be less aggressive, then a big improvement and no boardrooms since, as if she'd learned from Lord Sugar's advise. If she performs well as PM next task, she ought to have it in the bag on that record.”
“Liz has one win and one loss. That's the same as two other winners, Simon and Michelle. Another winner, Tim, had a single win and no loss as PM.
Stella has 2 wins, but at least one of them was very poor. I don't think it gives her much advantage. Joanna has an interesting trajectory. 1 PM win, then a boardroom where she was told to be less aggressive, then a big improvement and no boardrooms since, as if she'd learned from Lord Sugar's advise. If she performs well as PM next task, she ought to have it in the bag on that record.”
Tim also had one win (flowers task - week one) and one loss (Harrods - week four), it's just that the end Boardroom for the Harrods task was aborted because Adele jumped before she could be pushed.
I think it's interesting to note that, if Joanna wins as PM next week, her overall record will actually be better than Stella's. Same number of task wins, same number of PM wins, and fewer appearances in the Boardroom.
I think the most important part of a candidate's record, in terms of winning, is how many times they get brought back into the Boardroom by a losing PM. If you survive losing as a PM, I think it usually more or less gets written off, whereas being elected to be brought back sticks in his brain more. None of the first 4 winners were ever brought back. Yasmina was brought back once, but by the time we reached interviews, so had everybody else, at least.
Out of the remaining candidates though, all this does is rule out Chris and Stubags. Everyone else is on one time a-piece.
Stella was being frank and saying that in the boardroom, she'll do whatever it takes to avoid being sacked and that she wouldn't expect Liz to do any different. Liz could have gone for the insubordination angle to - although Laura took the fall for the price. a financial genius like Stella should have sussed that 2k per kilo is £100 for 50g because 2k/kilo = 1k per 500g and 50g =10% of that. they should have asked where they could buy trade.
Liz said to call in prices, but we didn't see them trying to do so.
Jamie may have made mistakes, but his salesmanship/ordering was good this week.
Stella and Liz are both strong and Liz forgot it was a game to be won.
Liz said to call in prices, but we didn't see them trying to do so.
Jamie may have made mistakes, but his salesmanship/ordering was good this week.
Stella and Liz are both strong and Liz forgot it was a game to be won.
Originally Posted by brangdon:
“A key point is whether Stella believed her criticisms of Liz, or whether she was jumping on Lord Sugar's bandwagon to save her own bacon. Liz believed the latter. In other words, it wasn't the criticism Liz minded so much as their dishonest and mendacious nature. Where-as the criticisms made of Stella were sincere and deserved.
I don't know whether Liz was justified in this; ie, whether Stella did sincerely think Liz was a poor manager. I'm sort-of biased because I think Liz was a good manager here, but Stella might have disagreed. Interesting that her first response to Liz was not, "But you were a bad manager", but "We all had a go at each other", as if the boardroom context justified anything she'd said. But then later she did claim it was a difference of opinion. There's no way to tell.”
“A key point is whether Stella believed her criticisms of Liz, or whether she was jumping on Lord Sugar's bandwagon to save her own bacon. Liz believed the latter. In other words, it wasn't the criticism Liz minded so much as their dishonest and mendacious nature. Where-as the criticisms made of Stella were sincere and deserved.
I don't know whether Liz was justified in this; ie, whether Stella did sincerely think Liz was a poor manager. I'm sort-of biased because I think Liz was a good manager here, but Stella might have disagreed. Interesting that her first response to Liz was not, "But you were a bad manager", but "We all had a go at each other", as if the boardroom context justified anything she'd said. But then later she did claim it was a difference of opinion. There's no way to tell.”
I don't think there was any dishonesty on Stella's part. Liz as PM fell into the same trap as the rest of her team; she just wasn't pushing hard enough for reductions. Stella accepted that she was guilty of this too, but obviously she wasn't going to fall on her sword. Her criticisms of Liz were valid.
Originally Posted by DavetheScot:
“I don't think there was any dishonesty on Stella's part. Liz as PM fell into the same trap as the rest of her team; she just wasn't pushing hard enough for reductions. Stella accepted that she was guilty of this too, but obviously she wasn't going to fall on her sword. Her criticisms of Liz were valid.”
“I don't think there was any dishonesty on Stella's part. Liz as PM fell into the same trap as the rest of her team; she just wasn't pushing hard enough for reductions. Stella accepted that she was guilty of this too, but obviously she wasn't going to fall on her sword. Her criticisms of Liz were valid.”
Stella was bang out of order for calling into question Liz's PM'ship when she was blatantly insubordinate...which is why I can understand Liz taking exception to the comment.
Originally Posted by Sweet FA:
“Stella was bang out of order for calling into question Liz's PM'ship when she was blatantly insubordinate...which is why I can understand Liz taking exception to the comment.”
“Stella was bang out of order for calling into question Liz's PM'ship when she was blatantly insubordinate...which is why I can understand Liz taking exception to the comment.”
When was Stella insubordinate?
Liz has lost it big time...she just can't take critism at all!! if you make a mistake, it should be addressed and hopefully you will learn by it...Stella admitted her mistake with the truffles and despite this she is still in the running!!
Originally Posted by DavetheScot:
“Liz as PM fell into the same trap as the rest of her team; she just wasn't pushing hard enough for reductions.”
“Liz as PM fell into the same trap as the rest of her team; she just wasn't pushing hard enough for reductions.”
Liz and Joanna did get some significant reductions. 33% off the Blue Book, and a cheaper price than Jamie's team. 50% off the work top. Their 17% off the sewing machine wasn't too shabby, and although they only got 9% off the dinner plates, they got a cheaper price than Jamie's team.
The poor negotiation was mainly Stella and Laura.
Originally Posted by RAINBOWGIRL22:
“What happens in the boardroom should stay in the boardroom IMO so in that respect I think Liz was a little bitchy to bring it up, especially in front of everyone?
Although Stella really doesn't seem to be liked? she even said it herself last night (when she came back after Laura was fired and apologised for still being there
)”
“What happens in the boardroom should stay in the boardroom IMO so in that respect I think Liz was a little bitchy to bring it up, especially in front of everyone?
Although Stella really doesn't seem to be liked? she even said it herself last night (when she came back after Laura was fired and apologised for still being there
)”
I agree. It was totally inappropriate to bring that back to the house. Imagine if they all did that.
Originally Posted by totalwise:
“i think you created an image of Liz to be some angelic figure,
She's not, she human, and above all else she's a businesswoman, I think she did good with how she handled stella, stella just tried to screw her over and blame liz for the failure of the task,”
“i think you created an image of Liz to be some angelic figure,
She's not, she human, and above all else she's a businesswoman, I think she did good with how she handled stella, stella just tried to screw her over and blame liz for the failure of the task,”
To be fair both her and the one that got fired, ganged up on Stella in the boardroom.
Everyone who chose not to stab a friend in the back in the boardroom is now out of the contest.
Liz should understand that and let it go until next time in the boardroom.
Originally Posted by ItJustMyOpinion:
“I agree. It was totally inappropriate to bring that back to the house. Imagine if they all did that.”
“I agree. It was totally inappropriate to bring that back to the house. Imagine if they all did that.”
Luckily only three of the girls have done it (Stella, Laura and Liz)
Not saying anything about coincedences
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