I'm undecided really, I have tried Android so know what to expect with that, Windows phone 7 is a bit unknown, Camera doesn't really bother me, but i'd ideally like to use the phone as an MP3 player aswell which makes me think Mozart must have something to do with music.
What would you go for, Desire HD or HTC 7 Mozart?
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WP7 comes with Zune onboard; Microsofts Media player/software. Its very intuitive once you get used to it and learn how it works. The camera on Mozart is pretty good but not amazing, but then again HTC cameras tend to be a bit behind compared to the competition, so youll not be getting super amazing results with either handset. I went for the Omnia 7 and im so glad. There are a few missing elements, but these will be added by the first major update coming in January. Desire HD is also a step down when it comes to the screen quality - its a bit worse than the Desire. I recommend you go play with both and see which you prefer. Desire HD has more customisation options but I personally felt it was a bit of a novelty anytime I had an android handset.
Buying now I would get the Desire HD as Android is much more mature than WP7. However WP7 could turn into a viable option in time and it is a bit of a risk at the moment - who knows it could flop. Personally I hope it succeeds as I might be interested in 10 months when my contract is up. Don't like the sound that WP7 isn't customisable though.
It is a tough one this, if you are a fan of android and the HTC sense then the Desire is a great option however if you are looking for something new in an OS then WP7 i think is a treat at the moment.
I am using the Trophy 7 at the moment and i am enjoying every minute of it, just hope that update comes early on in January to add functionality soon! games are a little expensive tho however it seems there are better quality games on WP7 at the moment than on Android although i have not really explored the android catalogue.
I am using the Trophy 7 at the moment and i am enjoying every minute of it, just hope that update comes early on in January to add functionality soon! games are a little expensive tho however it seems there are better quality games on WP7 at the moment than on Android although i have not really explored the android catalogue.
Originally Posted by BoBaDoB:
“It is a tough one this, if you are a fan of android and the HTC sense then the Desire is a great option however if you are looking for something new in an OS then WP7 i think is a treat at the moment.
I am using the Trophy 7 at the moment and i am enjoying every minute of it, just hope that update comes early on in January to add functionality soon! games are a little expensive tho however it seems there are better quality games on WP7 at the moment than on Android although i have not really explored the android catalogue.”
“It is a tough one this, if you are a fan of android and the HTC sense then the Desire is a great option however if you are looking for something new in an OS then WP7 i think is a treat at the moment.
I am using the Trophy 7 at the moment and i am enjoying every minute of it, just hope that update comes early on in January to add functionality soon! games are a little expensive tho however it seems there are better quality games on WP7 at the moment than on Android although i have not really explored the android catalogue.”
What is the camera and battery life like on the Trophy? I'm thinking of getting it but not too sure. The microsd card slot is a bit weird, someone said it's really hidden. Can you change the texting so it's a number pad style rather than qwerty?
I have the Desire HD and have tried a few WP7 phones and would pick the Desire HD simply because the UI is much better and you have multitasking. WP7 is basically whee the iphone was a few years back.
Originally Posted by finbaar:
“Buying now I would get the Desire HD as Android is much more mature than WP7. However WP7 could turn into a viable option in time and it is a bit of a risk at the moment - who knows it could flop. Personally I hope it succeeds as I might be interested in 10 months when my contract is up. Don't like the sound that WP7 isn't customisable though.”
“Buying now I would get the Desire HD as Android is much more mature than WP7. However WP7 could turn into a viable option in time and it is a bit of a risk at the moment - who knows it could flop. Personally I hope it succeeds as I might be interested in 10 months when my contract is up. Don't like the sound that WP7 isn't customisable though.”
Apparently Windows Phone 7 sales are dire and showing no signs of improvement. It may well go the way of the unloved Kin and you would be stuck with an orphan. Go for the Android.
I wouldn't touch Windows Phone 7 with a barge pole.
Originally Posted by Vallhund:
“Apparently Windows Phone 7 sales are dire and showing no signs of improvement. It may well go the way of the unloved Kin and you would be stuck with an orphan. Go for the Android.
I wouldn't touch Windows Phone 7 with a barge pole.”
“Apparently Windows Phone 7 sales are dire and showing no signs of improvement. It may well go the way of the unloved Kin and you would be stuck with an orphan. Go for the Android.
I wouldn't touch Windows Phone 7 with a barge pole.”
Theres no way that would happen. Kin was never really a huge product and it didnt get off to a great start. WP7 has been on the cards for years and the infrastructure alone will keep it afloat for a good while. Kin was pretty terrible from the start, WP7 gets great reviews and will get even better scores once the update comes in January. Give it time - try not to write it off so quickly.
Originally Posted by dawndavenport:
“Theres no way that would happen. Kin was never really a huge product and it didnt get off to a great start. WP7 has been on the cards for years and the infrastructure alone will keep it afloat for a good while. Kin was pretty terrible from the start, WP7 gets great reviews and will get even better scores once the update comes in January. Give it time - try not to write it off so quickly.”
“Theres no way that would happen. Kin was never really a huge product and it didnt get off to a great start. WP7 has been on the cards for years and the infrastructure alone will keep it afloat for a good while. Kin was pretty terrible from the start, WP7 gets great reviews and will get even better scores once the update comes in January. Give it time - try not to write it off so quickly.
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For years? I don't think so. MS would have continued with the old Windows Mobile, but iOS and Android gave Redmond a kick (a missile) up the backside and WP 7 a response to that. I'm not saying it is a bad OS, but these days a product has to have traction and predictions are that WP 7 will spiral into irrelevancy very quickly.
Quote:
“Microsoft's introduction of Windows Phone 7... will barely move the needle on the company's dismal share of the smartphone OS market, according to new data released Wednesday by industry analysts at Gartner.
Gartner predicts the release of Windows Phone 7 will help bump Microsoft's share of the worldwide market from 4.7% in 2010 to 5.2% in 2011, but says the company's share will ultimately decline to just 3.9% by 2014.”
“Microsoft's introduction of Windows Phone 7... will barely move the needle on the company's dismal share of the smartphone OS market, according to new data released Wednesday by industry analysts at Gartner.
Gartner predicts the release of Windows Phone 7 will help bump Microsoft's share of the worldwide market from 4.7% in 2010 to 5.2% in 2011, but says the company's share will ultimately decline to just 3.9% by 2014.”
Originally Posted by Vallhund:
“For years? I don't think so. MS would have continued with the old Windows Mobile, but iOS and Android gave Redmond a kick (a missile) up the backside and WP 7 a response to that. I'm not saying it is a bad OS, but these days a product has to have traction and predictions are that WP 7 will spiral into irrelevancy very quickly.”
“For years? I don't think so. MS would have continued with the old Windows Mobile, but iOS and Android gave Redmond a kick (a missile) up the backside and WP 7 a response to that. I'm not saying it is a bad OS, but these days a product has to have traction and predictions are that WP 7 will spiral into irrelevancy very quickly.”
Predictions are just that - predictions. Its not got off to an amazing start, however its not in the same league as Kin, your original comparison. I think MS were ridiculously stupid to leave out some important features, however with the update in January, all these and more will be rectified. I think WP7 will be a slow burner for a while but MS are clearly dedicated, much more so than they were to Kin.
Originally Posted by dawndavenport:
“Predictions are just that - predictions. Its not got off to an amazing start, however its not in the same league as Kin, your original comparison. I think MS were ridiculously stupid to leave out some important features, however with the update in January, all these and more will be rectified. I think WP7 will be a slow burner for a while but MS are clearly dedicated, much more so than they were to Kin.”
“Predictions are just that - predictions. Its not got off to an amazing start, however its not in the same league as Kin, your original comparison. I think MS were ridiculously stupid to leave out some important features, however with the update in January, all these and more will be rectified. I think WP7 will be a slow burner for a while but MS are clearly dedicated, much more so than they were to Kin.”
The Kin was only a $1Billion white elephant and cost Ballmer his bonus.
"slow burner indeed". Think of the smartphone competition as a race and you will see that a slow start isn't desirable in any way.
Originally Posted by Mrstimmy:
“What is the camera and battery life like on the Trophy? I'm thinking of getting it but not too sure. The microsd card slot is a bit weird, someone said it's really hidden. Can you change the texting so it's a number pad style rather than qwerty?”
“What is the camera and battery life like on the Trophy? I'm thinking of getting it but not too sure. The microsd card slot is a bit weird, someone said it's really hidden. Can you change the texting so it's a number pad style rather than qwerty?”
In general you don't get user expandable memory or WP7, it was one of microsofts specs - users shouldn't be allowed to change the memory themselves.
Apparently its possible, but nothing but a WP7 device will be able to read the memory cards once they've been formatted for use in the WP7 device.
Originally Posted by Vallhund:
“The Kin was only a $1Billion white elephant and cost Ballmer his bonus.
"slow burner indeed". Think of the smartphone competition as a race and you will see that a slow start isn't desirable in any way.”
“The Kin was only a $1Billion white elephant and cost Ballmer his bonus.
"slow burner indeed". Think of the smartphone competition as a race and you will see that a slow start isn't desirable in any way.”
Its healthy to have competition, and clearly its only natural that people will be so negative so early on. The reviews are 90% positive and the users are all happy - I doubt itll fail. Its not like Palm who are hardly a generally well known brand - MS are clearly focused on getting WP7 out there.
Vallhund- why do you feel the strong urge to enter every WP7 thread and troll needlessly? We get it- you hate Microsoft and you hope their phone OS is a spectacular failure. We all know- you don't need to keep reminding us every week.
WP7 has got off to a slow start, but it's not like that's a big deal. Android got off to a much slower start and only really picked up momentum about a year after the OS' launch with the HTC Hero handset. By late last year, the Android OS was looking like a far more attractive challenger to iOS, and that's why a bunch of manufacturers jumped aboard the bandwagon, and this year the platform has grown like crazy (its US market share has grown exponentially, its app count has gone from around 20,000 at the start of the year to over 100,000 today and its worldwide popularity will probably see it overtake Symbian in 2011). However, there are several factors that stand in Microsoft's favour for 2011.
Firstly, they are geared up to put up a huge challenge in 2011. We've already heard how Samsung will be prioritising WP7 handsets next year (two-thirds of their new releases will feature WP7), the OS will become much more refined after two or three big updates in the first few months of the new year, it has 15,000 app developers on board (meaning its app marketplace should have a healthy and competitive app selection numbering into the tens of thousands by the summer), its unique integration capabilities should really become advanced and very popular(i.e. Zune, X-Box, Office), and the live tile concept has immense potential that, once fully realised over the coming months, will makethe static front screen appearance of the iPhone look old and dated by comparison.
Secondly, there's this thing called word of mouth. Forget huge marketing campaigns. They help, sure, but it's the word on the street and the buzz that really helps products to gather momentum. A year ago, Android meant very little in the UK mobile phone marketplace, but twelve months on, it's the in-thing. This is not because Google and its manufacturing partners have spent zillions of squid on advertising their handsets all over the place- it's because they released some very good handsets earlier in the year which created a buzz, and with subsequent handsets in the latter half of 2010, it has translated into big-time sales for the likes of the Galaxy S, Desire HD and Xperia. Similarly, the Omnia 7, Mozart and HD7 are beginning to create a stir on the street (this week, the Metro newspaper compared the Omnia 7 to the Desire HD, and actually recommended the WP7 handset over the Android one), so when better and more impressive WP7 handsets release in the spring and summer months of 2011, I'm confident that they'll be doing some pretty nifty business.
So before you decide to troll any further WP7 threads in future, give the whole broken record act a rest and let time prove you right or wrong.
WP7 has got off to a slow start, but it's not like that's a big deal. Android got off to a much slower start and only really picked up momentum about a year after the OS' launch with the HTC Hero handset. By late last year, the Android OS was looking like a far more attractive challenger to iOS, and that's why a bunch of manufacturers jumped aboard the bandwagon, and this year the platform has grown like crazy (its US market share has grown exponentially, its app count has gone from around 20,000 at the start of the year to over 100,000 today and its worldwide popularity will probably see it overtake Symbian in 2011). However, there are several factors that stand in Microsoft's favour for 2011.
Firstly, they are geared up to put up a huge challenge in 2011. We've already heard how Samsung will be prioritising WP7 handsets next year (two-thirds of their new releases will feature WP7), the OS will become much more refined after two or three big updates in the first few months of the new year, it has 15,000 app developers on board (meaning its app marketplace should have a healthy and competitive app selection numbering into the tens of thousands by the summer), its unique integration capabilities should really become advanced and very popular(i.e. Zune, X-Box, Office), and the live tile concept has immense potential that, once fully realised over the coming months, will makethe static front screen appearance of the iPhone look old and dated by comparison.
Secondly, there's this thing called word of mouth. Forget huge marketing campaigns. They help, sure, but it's the word on the street and the buzz that really helps products to gather momentum. A year ago, Android meant very little in the UK mobile phone marketplace, but twelve months on, it's the in-thing. This is not because Google and its manufacturing partners have spent zillions of squid on advertising their handsets all over the place- it's because they released some very good handsets earlier in the year which created a buzz, and with subsequent handsets in the latter half of 2010, it has translated into big-time sales for the likes of the Galaxy S, Desire HD and Xperia. Similarly, the Omnia 7, Mozart and HD7 are beginning to create a stir on the street (this week, the Metro newspaper compared the Omnia 7 to the Desire HD, and actually recommended the WP7 handset over the Android one), so when better and more impressive WP7 handsets release in the spring and summer months of 2011, I'm confident that they'll be doing some pretty nifty business.
So before you decide to troll any further WP7 threads in future, give the whole broken record act a rest and let time prove you right or wrong.
Originally Posted by Vallhund:
“Apparently Windows Phone 7 sales are dire and showing no signs of improvement. It may well go the way of the unloved Kin and you would be stuck with an orphan. Go for the Android.
I wouldn't touch Windows Phone 7 with a barge pole.”
“Apparently Windows Phone 7 sales are dire and showing no signs of improvement. It may well go the way of the unloved Kin and you would be stuck with an orphan. Go for the Android.
I wouldn't touch Windows Phone 7 with a barge pole.”
Of course you wouldn't.
You're only ever in an Apple thread to only say how fabulous everything Apple is... and you're only in a thread associated with Microsoft to say how bad everything Microsoft is. Sometimes you pretend to show objectivity by saying Windows 7 isn't bad.A little objectivity would be welcome. I can't take anybody seriously when they blindly love every product by one organisation and are never unable to criticise anything, at all.
Somebody has already called you a troll and sadly (and I'm geniune in that) have to agree that you're leaning that way.
In answer to the OP. I'd go for a Desire HD but I have seen that the battery life is really quite bad. My cousin upgraded to an HD from his iphone and it lasts all day, but doesn't leave him much by mid evening. Mrs Elway has a Desire which is fantastic and the HD is certainly an upgrade with an amazing screen and incredible features.
Originally Posted by Mo Chatra:
“its app count has gone from around 20,000 at the start of the year to over 100,000 today”
“its app count has gone from around 20,000 at the start of the year to over 100,000 today”
No doubt that means another 79,000 or so crap ones.
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“No doubt that means another 79,000 or so crap ones.”
“No doubt that means another 79,000 or so crap ones.”
The Android market place is a bit like the wild west.
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“No doubt that means another 79,000 or so crap ones.”
“No doubt that means another 79,000 or so crap ones.”
iOS is the only marketplace with apps worth having. Android apps are far from perfect - far far from perfect.
Android apps are unrestricted so that's why they often offer more function.
MyPlayer is a good example.
MyPlayer is a good example.
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“Android apps are unrestricted so that's why they often offer more function.
MyPlayer is a good example.”
“Android apps are unrestricted so that's why they often offer more function.
MyPlayer is a good example.”
And why theres a very high number of awful, buggy and useless apps.
Originally Posted by John_Elway:
“Of course you wouldn't. You're only ever in an Apple thread to only say how fabulous everything Apple is... and you're only in a thread associated with Microsoft to say how bad everything Microsoft is. Sometimes you pretend to show objectivity by saying Windows 7 isn't bad.
A little objectivity would be welcome. I can't take anybody seriously when they blindly love every product by one organisation and are never unable to criticise anything, at all.
Somebody has already called you a troll and sadly (and I'm geniune in that) have to agree that you're leaning that way.”
“Of course you wouldn't.
You're only ever in an Apple thread to only say how fabulous everything Apple is... and you're only in a thread associated with Microsoft to say how bad everything Microsoft is. Sometimes you pretend to show objectivity by saying Windows 7 isn't bad.A little objectivity would be welcome. I can't take anybody seriously when they blindly love every product by one organisation and are never unable to criticise anything, at all.
Somebody has already called you a troll and sadly (and I'm geniune in that) have to agree that you're leaning that way.”
Let's see if your allegations stand up to analysis?
I don't particularly like the iPhone. I have a Nokia E72. The iPhone has been a brilliant sales success for Apple and suits some people, but not me, at least not with the iPhone 4.
The iPad is another sales success from Apple, but not for me in its present form. Maybe a later model will appear that I will buy.
I didn't say that Windows Phone 7 is a bad OS. What I did say was that I don't think it will gain traction and sell. Like the Palm Pre and Zune it may linger in obscurity. Nice, but these are not going anywhere in the marketplace.
I remain neutral on the Apple TV and I do genuinely like Windows 7 and Ubuntu.
I am afraid that you assume too much.
Originally Posted by unklesam:
“Well I went for the Mozart, god knows when it'll arrive though with the snow etc”
“Well I went for the Mozart, god knows when it'll arrive though with the snow etc”
Hey congrats on the choice you may well be one of the first to experience the next 'big thing' in mobile telephones!
Originally Posted by dawndavenport:
“And why theres a very high number of awful, buggy and useless apps.”
“And why theres a very high number of awful, buggy and useless apps.”
Why has this thread descended into ****ing OS competition you anorak wearing toss pots? Get a ****ing life or ****ing die. The OP only wanted to know which mobile telephone to buy. Jesus what a pack of *****.
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