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What would you go for, Desire HD or HTC 7 Mozart?
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old bill2
05-12-2010
Having had the Desire HD and Mozart for a few weeks now. I will try and give both my honest opinion . The Desire HD its Android what more can you say. Lots of apps some useful some a waste of space. Battery life is not good a day at most. I find the Desire HD has week 3G signal reception. It loses 3G in places other phone pick it up without any problems. The screen IMO is no better or worse then the Mozart.
The Mozart is a lot smaller then the DHD and IMO is far more confutable to hold in the hand. The battery lasts 2-3 days with out the need for charging. Signal/call reception is good with no loss of signal. The OS is IMO very childlike. Its not to say its not good but it feels very basic when compared to Android. Its not to say it wont improve over the coming months. Look at how far Android has come in little over a year.
Will Windows 7 survive ? Well its like anything it depends how much it gets pushed. 18 months ago how many of us had heard of Android ? If it gets the support and marketing it deserves then it will do big things. If not then it will just be another nearly but not quite.
Vallhund
05-12-2010
Originally Posted by old bill2:
“Will Windows 7 survive ? Well its like anything it depends how much it gets pushed. 18 months ago how many of us had heard of Android ? If it gets the support and marketing it deserves then it will do big things. If not then it will just be another nearly but not quite.”

It's not just a matter of pushing. It comes down to the competition and how consumers react to Windows Phone 7.

I'm not saying it's a bad phone OS, but that I have severe doubts that it will ever sell, and it appears that I am far from alone in that view.

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“I wanted to make sure that our figures weren’t anomalous, so I went to a few local high street mobile phone retailers, both network owned and independent and although they couldn’t give me numbers the story was the same, Windows Phone 7 Handsets are not selling. The retailers I spoke to said that demand for iPhone, Blackberry and HTC handsets was strong in the smartphone sector. Perhaps surprisingly, our local Carphone Warehouse did not have any Windows Phone 7 handsets on display, and when I asked they said that they “might have one in the back”. I’m sure this isn’t indicative of all retailers’ position on Windows Phone 7 but it’s still interesting.

The windows phone 7 handsets -as nice as they are – are by and large generic phones from well known manufacturers, and in most cases an almost identical model is available from the same manufacturer with Android, and given the choice people seem to be picking Android.

With no killer handsets, and the stuffy, suit and tie image that they have tried so hard to shed still lingering, Microsoft need to pull something impressive out of the bag soon if they are going to compete in the mobile phone market.”

Current UK sales figures are Android selling 15X as many handsets and Nokia and Apple selling 3X as many handsets as WP7.
dawndavenport
05-12-2010
Originally Posted by Vallhund:
“It's not just a matter of pushing. It comes down to the competition and how consumers react to Windows Phone 7.

I'm not saying it's a bad phone OS, but that I have severe doubts that it will ever sell, and it appears that I am far from alone in that view.



Current UK sales figures are Android selling 15X as many handsets and Nokia and Apple selling 3X as many handsets as WP7.”

Android, Nokia and Apple have all been on the market for a very long time - hence why most people are suggesting that its ridiculous to write off WP7 after being on sale for just a month. Android got off to a slow start and only picked up by the mainstream after a year or so.
alanwarwic
05-12-2010
It seems quite a strange dilemma for WIndows 7 Mobile.

In that whilst it has got Silverlight, which in many ways is better than Flash, it really needs to release it for Android in order to gain mass acceptance.

Apple for commercial reasons is not interested in the web so it is irrelevant there.
Vallhund
05-12-2010
Originally Posted by dawndavenport:
“Android, Nokia and Apple have all been on the market for a very long time - hence why most people are suggesting that its ridiculous to write off WP7 after being on sale for just a month. Android got off to a slow start and only picked up by the mainstream after a year or so.”

But there is a difference. Nokia has been selling well for yonks. People queued up for the iPhone and it was a hit from the start. Android was very popular with the geeks from the get-go and then it started to get traction with the mainstream.

There was a lot of buzz around the Palm Pre at CES, it dominated the show that year and there was widespread interest in it that soon dropped off like a rock.

Windows Phone 7 is like none of these. It doesn't start off as the dominant player like Nokia. People are not queuing up for it like they did for the iPhone. The geek community has reacted to it with a yawn :yawn: and there was not any buzz around it.

Interesting article on who buys which phone. IMHO it is pretty accurate. Android, iPhone, Blackberry-Nokia E Series and WP all appeal to very different smartphone users.

Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“It seems quite a strange dilemma for WIndows 7 Mobile.

In that whilst it has got Silverlight, which in many ways is better than Flash, it really needs to release it for Android in order to gain mass acceptance.

Apple for commercial reasons is not interested in the web so it is irrelevant there.”

Commercial reasons being that the market doesn't want web apps?

Silverlight :yawn:

Flash
alanwarwic
05-12-2010
Originally Posted by Vallhund:
“Commercial reasons being that the market doesn't want web apps?

Silverlight :yawn:

Flash ”

Very exact.

Universal free market web applications have no hardware tie in. Fantastic for the user but potential death for the premium hardware seller.
unklesam
06-12-2010
Well my Mozart came today and I am really impressed, its beautiful, Windows phone 7 is gorgeous, I only though iOS was pretty until I saw this, the 8mp camera is amazing and its a really well built phone with nice aluminium front and back, I am well pleased with it.
Vallhund
06-12-2010
Originally Posted by unklesam:
“Well my Mozart came today and I am really impressed, its beautiful, Windows phone 7 is gorgeous, I only though iOS was pretty until I saw this, the 8mp camera is amazing and its a really well built phone with nice aluminium front and back, I am well pleased with it.”

Very good, I do hope WP7 catches on as the market could do with some more competition.
Soundburst
06-12-2010
I'd definitely go for the Windows 7 mobile.

Windows 7 looks very nice, and is different from what we have in other smartphones. You've got tiles, updates, XBOX Live integration and the novelty of a new experience.

With the Android handset all you'd be getting was a dodgy, not quite so slick to use, iPhone OS imitation.
unklesam
08-12-2010
Well the Mozart is going back, Battery life is the major let down, it doesn't even get through a working day with wifi etc all off, Windows phone 7 sure does look good and the camera is great but none of these are enough for me to keep the phone, and the app store is crap, can't even get a decent Twitter client.
alanwarwic
08-12-2010
Originally Posted by unklesam:
“Well the Mozart is going back.”

Well, that probably says more about you Dave. I was maybe always going to happen.
Vallhund
08-12-2010
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“Well, that probably says more about you Dave. I was maybe always going to happen.”

Why should Dave have to put up with bad battery life and a poor App store? Is it any wonder that WP 7 isn't selling.
unklesam
08-12-2010
Originally Posted by Vallhund:
“Why should Dave have to put up with bad battery life and a poor App store? Is it any wonder that WP 7 isn't selling.”

The app store I could live with as I think there is potential there but battery life is a shocker
Omega Point
08-12-2010
Originally Posted by unklesam:
“The app store I could live with as I think there is potential there but battery life is a shocker”

The battery life you experienced is far from normal for the Mozart. Mine would probably last 2 full days if I didn't charge it. That is with 3G constantly connected with 2 Exchange Accounts (On 'As Items Arrive'), several applications using push notifications and light web browsing. It is actually better than my last smartphone (HTC TD2).

There was either something wrong with your phone/battery or you were doing something which caused the large battery drain.
alanwarwic
08-12-2010
Originally Posted by Vallhund:
“Why should Dave have to put up with bad battery life and a poor App store? Is it any wonder that WP 7 isn't selling.”

Dave very much seems to go through a phone a week. Its how I recognised 'unklesam'.
I won't ask how or why.
TheBigM
08-12-2010
Originally Posted by unklesam:
“The app store I could live with as I think there is potential there but battery life is a shocker”

The app store has been growing pretty fast. The platform is still very new. Also as long as you get all the apps you need/want who cares about the rest.

As mentioned, why not try to get a replacement mozart as yours seems faulty before abandoning the entire platform?
unklesam
09-12-2010
Originally Posted by Omega Point:
“The battery life you experienced is far from normal for the Mozart. Mine would probably last 2 full days if I didn't charge it. That is with 3G constantly connected with 2 Exchange Accounts (On 'As Items Arrive'), several applications using push notifications and light web browsing. It is actually better than my last smartphone (HTC TD2).

There was either something wrong with your phone/battery or you were doing something which caused the large battery drain.”

http://www.winphone7.info/2010/10/ba...ndows-phone-7/ I am not alone it seems,
Omega Point
09-12-2010
Originally Posted by unklesam:
“http://www.winphone7.info/2010/10/ba...ndows-phone-7/ I am not alone it seems,”

There is an issue with some exchange accounts causing problems (those on older exchnage servers), but the usage you described should not have caused the drain it apparently did.
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